Yeah I agree too. With both of you. I try to be chivalrous. But also do a share of housework, a little bit less than half of the cooking and a little bit more than half of the childcare.
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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Wonderful, I'm sure your girlfriend appreciates the hell out of you, even when you aren't so successful
Of course the creature was a victim - the folly of Man arrogantly & heartlessly playing God (surely a metaphor for God abandoning his 'children' after satisfying His curiosity)', just as Victor neglected his creation) is the major theme of the bloody novel. Sheesh...
The creature's murders are Shelley's way of showing the disastrous effect on social harmony resulting from the previously-mentioned errors of heart and mind. Parklife.
The creature's murders are Shelley's way of showing the disastrous effect on social harmony resulting from the previously-mentioned errors of heart and mind. Parklife.
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You could make the same argument for many of the mass murderers that have existed throughout history. Let down/discarded by society, their parents, friends etc, so they vent their anger & frustrations via violence. Frankenstein was in no way perfect, but neither is man.........or should that be people ?
20% of the proceeds for Pink IPA going towards equal pay charities. Is this bad?
Well yeah. That's kind of the other face of the story. Does man create its own monsters.
Frankenstein goes a step farther, because we're looking at an adult new born, who can't talk or be reasoned with in an adult way but who has strength and emotions that he can't control.
The current mindset is that your intentions don't matter, only the actions and your words.
Reminds me of one of the events that led to Gamergate. An organisation offered to fund female developers in making small indie games, any profits go to charity and if the developer finds alternate funding they weren't bound to stick with them, so they can go make a profit elsewhere. It wasn't considered good enough.
On the game, it should say for up to 4 players. Not a big deal, but one of those little messages we can give kids about boundaries. Most players might be boys, and some of them they might not want little girls to play, but the label shouldn't tell the little girl that she's odd for wanting to.
Chivalry? Personally I see it in much the same terms as random acts of kindness. Intent can make it feel demeaning, if it's highlighting that you're different to the others going to an event or a meeting - which is probably why some women actually say it's unwelcome or patronising.
In other situations, it should just feel like a perfectly natural example of people being nice to each other, in whatever way they feel comfortable doing.
Did I request thee, Maker, from my clay
To mould me man? Did I solicit thee
From darkness to promote me?
Many times I considered Satan as the fitter emblem of my condition.
She was a true poet of the monster's party and knew it.
To mould me man? Did I solicit thee
From darkness to promote me?
Many times I considered Satan as the fitter emblem of my condition.
She was a true poet of the monster's party and knew it.
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I'm bored... So I'm going to patronise you all with a load of shit I imagine many of you already know, with a healthy bit of propaganda of course (and far too many brackets).
So, I'm increasingly thinking this thread title makes us look rather 'out of touch' in this discussion.
As far as I can tell most of the 'cool kids' in the English speaking internet world talk about this stuff as 'SJW' vs. 'anti-SJW'. 'SJW' standing for 'social justice warrior' - a term originally invented as a derogatory way to describe determined proponents of 'socially progressive' viewpoints.
So, the main instances of these 'SJW' views at present being their support for third wave feminism, LGBTQI+ rights (I'm gonna be unusually helpful here and point out the 'Q' stands for 'queer' and a google search for 'genderqueer' would provide you with enough to understand what's being referred to and the 'I' stands for intersex and, again, if unfamiliar, the same strategy will work) the Black Lives Matter movement, an opposition to apportioning blame for Islamic terrorist attacks to Muslims as a whole and an opposition to what they view as 'hate speech'.
Now with some folks concerned by the spread of this 'SJW' movement - that they sometimes refer to as 'the regressive left' - we have the 'anti-SJW' lot. Many have concerns that feminism has gone too far and has become an attack on men/masculinity, a feeling that heterosexuality and being cis-gender (just means feeling comfortable with the gender the bits between your legs correspond to - I'll save you the google this time) is seen as 'lesser', a belief that the Black Lives Matter movement and the likes are unnecessary and racially divisive, a belief that Islamic terrorist attacks show us that Islam itself is inherently dangerous and needs to be curtailed and a belief that 'freedom of speech' is under threat.
Obviously neither of these two groups have a unifying set of goals or concerns but those are the main points I see brought up and debated. Some will subscribe to most of the views of one side and some all of them. The rest I wouldn't personally put in those groups.
Now, I'm reasonably confident that the above descriptions are largely justifiable - so I'm going to reward myself for said self-declared accuracy and even-handedness by waffling in a baseless manner hereafter.
I feel I'm seeing these groups becoming increasingly 'a thing'. People are becoming more comfortable defining themselves as in either camp and as a result pressure, either conscious or unconscious, is being placed on folk to 'pick a side'. I could link you to a Barrack Obama speech, appealing to his 'rainbow coalition' as I could find Donald Trump tweets - well you can find a Trump tweet for everything but I doubt anyone's going to argue that the man hasn't aimed to appeal to the majority of the concerns I suggested make up the stereotypical 'anti-SJW' take on things. Jeremy Corbyn, and even more so his youth support, are unashamedly 'SJW'. This isn't just a fringe debate. It's a fringe debate that is seen as influential in electoral success.
As an unashamed SJW, myself, I don't know how it feels for the other side. I don't know how it feels for those who don't fit in to either category but do care enough to educate themselves on the issues debated. I don't personally see this polarisation as a bad thing.
I want people to pick a side as to me it feels like a battle for understanding those around us versus fearing/hating them. I want a more tolerant world and I believe the causes listed can lead us towards such and, above all, I want to be given a column in The Guardian to moan about sexism in Kinder Eggs.
TL;DR - Put four ounces of flour, two eggs, two hundred millilitres of milk, 1 table spoon of oil and a pinch of salt into a bowl or large jug, then whisk to a smooth batter.
So, I'm increasingly thinking this thread title makes us look rather 'out of touch' in this discussion.
As far as I can tell most of the 'cool kids' in the English speaking internet world talk about this stuff as 'SJW' vs. 'anti-SJW'. 'SJW' standing for 'social justice warrior' - a term originally invented as a derogatory way to describe determined proponents of 'socially progressive' viewpoints.
So, the main instances of these 'SJW' views at present being their support for third wave feminism, LGBTQI+ rights (I'm gonna be unusually helpful here and point out the 'Q' stands for 'queer' and a google search for 'genderqueer' would provide you with enough to understand what's being referred to and the 'I' stands for intersex and, again, if unfamiliar, the same strategy will work) the Black Lives Matter movement, an opposition to apportioning blame for Islamic terrorist attacks to Muslims as a whole and an opposition to what they view as 'hate speech'.
Now with some folks concerned by the spread of this 'SJW' movement - that they sometimes refer to as 'the regressive left' - we have the 'anti-SJW' lot. Many have concerns that feminism has gone too far and has become an attack on men/masculinity, a feeling that heterosexuality and being cis-gender (just means feeling comfortable with the gender the bits between your legs correspond to - I'll save you the google this time) is seen as 'lesser', a belief that the Black Lives Matter movement and the likes are unnecessary and racially divisive, a belief that Islamic terrorist attacks show us that Islam itself is inherently dangerous and needs to be curtailed and a belief that 'freedom of speech' is under threat.
Obviously neither of these two groups have a unifying set of goals or concerns but those are the main points I see brought up and debated. Some will subscribe to most of the views of one side and some all of them. The rest I wouldn't personally put in those groups.
Now, I'm reasonably confident that the above descriptions are largely justifiable - so I'm going to reward myself for said self-declared accuracy and even-handedness by waffling in a baseless manner hereafter.
I feel I'm seeing these groups becoming increasingly 'a thing'. People are becoming more comfortable defining themselves as in either camp and as a result pressure, either conscious or unconscious, is being placed on folk to 'pick a side'. I could link you to a Barrack Obama speech, appealing to his 'rainbow coalition' as I could find Donald Trump tweets - well you can find a Trump tweet for everything but I doubt anyone's going to argue that the man hasn't aimed to appeal to the majority of the concerns I suggested make up the stereotypical 'anti-SJW' take on things. Jeremy Corbyn, and even more so his youth support, are unashamedly 'SJW'. This isn't just a fringe debate. It's a fringe debate that is seen as influential in electoral success.
As an unashamed SJW, myself, I don't know how it feels for the other side. I don't know how it feels for those who don't fit in to either category but do care enough to educate themselves on the issues debated. I don't personally see this polarisation as a bad thing.
I want people to pick a side as to me it feels like a battle for understanding those around us versus fearing/hating them. I want a more tolerant world and I believe the causes listed can lead us towards such and, above all, I want to be given a column in The Guardian to moan about sexism in Kinder Eggs.
TL;DR - Put four ounces of flour, two eggs, two hundred millilitres of milk, 1 table spoon of oil and a pinch of salt into a bowl or large jug, then whisk to a smooth batter.
Anti-SJW is far too broad.
For simplicity, there are three main categories that are opposed to ideas proposed by intersectional feminists.
Liberals (in the original definition). These have a world perspective of seeing everyone as individuals, cannot agree with identity politics and see the end game as an equal opportunity and colourblind society. If approached in a respectful manner you can appeal to their (generally speaking) logical decision making to see where common ground is.
The alt-right/enthno-fascists- believe in government authority and that this should be used to create western ethno-States for white people similar to China or an Arab nation. Obviously there is no real common ground between SJWs and these except the use of state authority as a means to an end.
Trolls- these may have more sympathy to one of the above groups than the other, but don't let it get in the way of getting a good wind up in. They like to mock, well, anyone so it's not just SJWs, but obviously that go after people based of their most easily mocked thing, so if you are female, non-white, non-cis, etc. They will attack that, if you are a straight white male they will call you a **** or autistic or whatever the current thing is. It's just fun to them.
For simplicity, there are three main categories that are opposed to ideas proposed by intersectional feminists.
Liberals (in the original definition). These have a world perspective of seeing everyone as individuals, cannot agree with identity politics and see the end game as an equal opportunity and colourblind society. If approached in a respectful manner you can appeal to their (generally speaking) logical decision making to see where common ground is.
The alt-right/enthno-fascists- believe in government authority and that this should be used to create western ethno-States for white people similar to China or an Arab nation. Obviously there is no real common ground between SJWs and these except the use of state authority as a means to an end.
Trolls- these may have more sympathy to one of the above groups than the other, but don't let it get in the way of getting a good wind up in. They like to mock, well, anyone so it's not just SJWs, but obviously that go after people based of their most easily mocked thing, so if you are female, non-white, non-cis, etc. They will attack that, if you are a straight white male they will call you a **** or autistic or whatever the current thing is. It's just fun to them.
Count Dankula found guilty of shitposting. Interesting to see punishment.
Find it to be a bit of a bizarre conviction, plenty of much more offensive stuff said on a regular basis. We still allow Orange marches up here for fecks sake!
It doesn't matter if you're a misogynistic pos, as long as you keep at it you are bound to make it eventually.
I'll try to do a tldr down below, but I'm afraid it's hard to fully pin my feelings on the topic both short and long.
I don't feel attacked by the idea that people who are targeted by hate-groups wants to be treated like human beings. Hell I think they are in the right in demanding to be treated with respect.
I want equality & I want everyone to be respected for how they are.
It's hard to judge when it comes to mental illness, not that I think it's relevant here, or that how I see it should matter (I'd leave diagnosing people to the people educated to make them) so just as a side-note.
That said, I do have a issue with people who push others down so they can get up.
The school-yard bully tactic of "you shouldn't speak" or "you shouldn't be listened to", and those two are used a feck-ton by SJW's. I may agree with most/all of the SJW's goals of equality & respect but (some of) their way of silencing differing opinions is one I cannot and will not say that I am fine with.
Punch-a-nazi for example is one where, while I think it is "deserved" to some degree to get a punch for such views, I don't think it's something that should be encouraged.
I do have a issue with claiming a problem to be down to one thing while it's in reality a different issue, for example some feminists on the internet claim that they are getting bullied online because of their gender, making it a gender-issue. Bullying online or as it is in most cases, trolling, is targeting you for your emotional weakness regardless of what it is.
When people like you or Villain comes into a discussion & educate people, we can learn from it and develop our own views or evolve them further.
If you two come in and try to force your views upon us (not as in force us to read, but claim us to be this or that because we don't necessarily share the same view), then we're less likely to want to engage and less likely to want to take what you say to heart.
Of course this includes those who have already made their minds up and are just assholes or trolls who act like they need to be spoon-fed. It's not your job either to educate people, but assuming that you want progress in the world then the ways you go about it will be a factor in how successful you are in your campaign.
Tldr:
I side with the SJW's when it comes to goals (with the option to say some things are too far).
I don't subscribe to some of the ways some of them use to achieve those goals, the big one being bully-tactics.
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Speaking of the chief feminazi
Had to google to find out what you were on about. Yer man seems like a complete tool but the whole case seems like an outrageous waste of police/court resources.
Aye, absolutely, he's a cnut, and if it was a child or something I could understand the concerns as to indoctrination but guessing his dog to do the salute seems like a fairly small and irrelevant problem.
His 'success' is basically by being incredibly loud, selective in what he says and disingenuous: basically the opposite of what most good academics aspire to. I'm sure plenty of them don't mind their relative obscurity in exchange for being taken relatively seriously.
90% of you are marxists.
We are but it's mainly the bits he wrote about safe spaces and trans rights that we're in to.
The reason I think this PC stuff is laughable is the rejection of simple biological facts... I'm all for equality, same job = same pay and so on. But these feminists and sjw just take it so far
Like these people...
Like these people...
I could find more than one or two videos of those opposed to third wave feminism and other SJW topics claiming the superiority of the Aryan race and the fact the holocaust didn't happen. Though it is not sensible discourse to define a widely held political leaning by such.
Of course... there are morons on both sides. But we were talking about PC's now...
Right, and most of us that believe vehemently in political correctness wouldn't walk out of a speech if someone suggested men are taller than women.
So you're quite for political correctness, just not to the extreme. Like most people and most things in life.
You're comparing extreme right wing views - of which we're talking a minority - to identity politics which is far more mainstream.
I think I'm comparing rare elements of one view to rare elements of another view.
the sjws are at it again folks
Be gone, cis-hetero white man.
That might be so, but I'm confident you'd struggle to find a comparable amount of right wing tosh on the internet to that found in a lot videos relating to feminism, BLM, LGBTQ, & a few others.
I bloody wouldn't. You underestimate how much time I waste consuming far right media that likes to disguise itself as 'classical liberal'.