[Ban]

Because Mourinho has done so well to win the Europa League and Capital One Cup with United right Pointless trophies. Not entirely fair to compare Pochettino's lack of trophies either, given a relatively short career so far, and having to compete with others with magnitudes of spending greater then what he can do.

Nice few excuses for Pochettino lined up. Short career, having to compete with others...

His team is good enough to start fighting for trophies.

 

[bosnian_red]

They're trophies and they are a lot better than nothing, and prove we've still got something. Spurs would love to win something, don't be a brat.

Yeah they'd love to win something. But I'd rather play entertaining football most weeks and look forward to watching us play and have something to look forward to long term, then win some tin pot cups which nobody takes seriously by playing shit football. The things that really matter are the premier league and champions league. And FA Cup to a lesser extent. Spurs have gone as far as us in the CL (went out to a much better side but still put in a much better effort then we did), are as far as us in the FA Cup, and does it really make a difference finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th anymore when there's like 4 points separating all 3? Or Liverpool. Behind us in the league by 2 points but in the semi finals of the Champions League, despite playing great attacking football all season. Or City, who went further then us in the CL, won the league at a canter, won a tin pot cup, and played great attacking football all season.

I would 100% sacrifice the pointless trophies we won under Mourinho last year if it meant we played better football every week. Also a side note. Why the feck do people think it's either good football or trophies? People just say that to defend Mourinho. Mourinho's football hasn't won shit in recent years. All the best teams have become the best because they play great attacking football. And they've achieved great success through that. Not through parking the bus and being pragmatic.

 

[bosnian_red]

Nice few excuses for Pochettino lined up. Short career, having to compete with others...

His team is good enough to start fighting for trophies.

He gets a lot more credit to have built a side that is capable of fighting for trophies though then Mourinho does for spending 150m every summer and getting nowhere while playing shit football.

 

[Adam-Utd]

So Mourinho can see the errors, but he never can correct them? Why is it taking him 2 seasons to be able to get a team working together?

It's funny how he always throws certain players under the bus but never accepts fault of his own. He's poison lets be honest.

 

[Raoul]

Jose won the league and CL with average resources, for Porto.
SAF won a EU trophy, when managing Aberdeen (who?).
Poch, with great players and arguably the best striker in the World has won nothing. He is behind us in the league this season. And last season, while Jose won 2 trophies, Poch won nothing.

We made the mistake with Moyes, by hiring someone who did not have an appropriate CV. This job destroyed him and he was sacked in 10 months. Let's not make the same mistake by bringing another manager with no experience of winning trophies.

The CV is less important now. We need someone who can galvanize a group of players to punch well above their collective weight, and in the process play attractive football. Jose is failing in all these categories.

 

[elmo]

That's on him. Its West Brom, he should of played the second team more with three games this week shaw, jones, rojo, blind, martial, rashford, herrera. Players don't adjust mentally and emotionally very well after beating the top team than playing the bottom team the week after with little motivation. That's like spending the night with Kate Upton and the next night with Chelsea Handler, sometimes you ain't up for it.

That's more on the players. They're fecking paid to perform, if they need more motivation to play well despite that, there's something seriously wrong with them.

And that's the issue with our team right now, too many players who're coasting and only bringing it on for the big games.

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

Is there any players who do understand that? Times are different. Some players are motivated by different things nowadays. Some it is more the glory of promoting their personal profile rather than the glory of playing for United.

My point is that in pressers Jose defends Jose, his past record and his future, not United. If he does that publicly then you can be sure the motivation in the dressing room is not that they need to realize they should feel honoured to part of sporting history representing a global football institution.

Rambling now. I’ll stop but basically your reply, and the assumption that this is our future … depresses the feck out of me!

 

[groovyalbert]

Not a snap reaction, been feeling this way for weeks but at this stage, I wouldn’t be upset if Mourinho left in the summer. I’m always of the opinion that you can’t get rid of a manager without a replacement but I’m genuinely worried about any progression under him. Today was just one of many insipid performances this season.

Getting there. I just want to enjoy watching us play. More often than not, it’s far from this. It’s an argument done to death but when you look at the football our rivals are playing, we’re a joke most of the time. Especially with the players at our disposal.

The point that’s so far kept me on inside has been the inevitable success Jose brings, and I’m sure he’ll bring more in the future. But, and I may be in an understandable minority, but I’m lucky enough to have seen us win everything - and the joy of seeing fluid attacking football regularly is what I’ve craved more than the success since SAF left. It’s a shame Klopp and Poch are where they are. They both play a style of football more synonymous with us. And aren’t incredibly hard to like.

 

[Hughie77]

Could see it coming the way the game was going. No pen awarded, lukaku header saved, Jesse shot blocked etc etc, and when they got the ball they created I could see a 0-1 ..typical of our season.. we're not ruthless against teams like this...

 

[DomesticTadpole]

So Mourinho can see the errors, but he never can correct them? Why is it taking him 2 seasons to be able to get a team working together?

It's funny how he always throws certain players under the bus but never accepts fault of his own. He's poison lets be honest.

He has brought this stuff up before and as you say nothing changes much.

 

[VeevaVee]

Why blame the player? Literally everyone looks crap and that's got to be down to more than all of them being shite. We've seen them all perform better than this

Where did I blame the player? He was as bad as everyone. I said it right there. My point was that he's usually bad at taking opportunities, often even if they're starts.

 

[Vidyoyo]

Jose might make a good academic. He knows exactly what the problem is, just doesn't know how to fix it.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

My point is that in pressers Jose defends Jose, his past record and his future, not United. If he does that publicly then you can be sure the motivation in the dressing room is not that they need to realize they should feel honoured to part of sporting history representing a global football institution.

Rambling now. I’ll stop but basically your reply, and the assumption that this is our future … depresses the feck out of me!

I understand where you are coming from. The fact that last weekend it was Ashley Young who supposedly rallied the players maybe says a lot.

 

[Hugh Jass]

The philosophy does work. Mourinho is the only coach to have won the CL and EL twice. But i have been saying all season that i never look forward to seeing us play away from home, regardless of whether the opposition is good or bad. The tactics away from home are always win one nil, keep things tight. Unfortunately today we played like we were playing West Brom in West Brom.

I would give him another season, but i think a different coach could get more out of the players that we have in an attacking sense.

 

[sunama]

Because Mourinho has done so well to win the Europa League and Capital One Cup with United right Pointless trophies. Not entirely fair to compare Pochettino's lack of trophies either, given a relatively short career so far, and having to compete with others with magnitudes of spending greater then what he can do.

Spurs would kill to win even one of those trophies.
You don't get anything for playing attacking football and not winning trophies. Pro sport is all about winning. Even Poch understands that and would give anything to win his first trophy.
Nobody plays matches (manager or players) to play attacking football and not win trophies.
I'm perplexed that I am having explain this. Am I the only one who knows that the aim of the game is to win?

 

[svastian99]

City would come out champion anyway ... it's irrelevant.

What is really painful is the way we play. Slow, without intensity and with very little capacity to press and maintain the pressure.
I did not expect Mata and Matic to play so badly.

 

[Terminator]

Mourinho's philosophy doesn't work anymore, the game has flown past him and his dinosour tactics.

 

[Class of 63]

Why should he deserve slack? Last week is history, him turning up for 45 minutes doesn't mean he can put in another lazy performance the following week.

That's just his style, he's been the same since he first turned up at United as a 16 year old.

 

[Flytan]

Nice few excuses for Pochettino lined up. Short career, having to compete with others...

His team is good enough to start fighting for trophies.

You're right. If he was a godsend of a manager he likely would have won a trophy or two by now. I mean he still can win one this season (just like us - and be honest, who do you favor in that game?). They have been fighting for trophies, they won their group in the UCL that had Madrid in it. They lost to Juventus (one of Europe's top clubs).

Now look at us. We spent insane amount of money. You'd think we'd be challenging for trophies too right? I mean we can still win the FA Cup but we lost to Sevilla in the UCL which was completely embarrassing. Up until a few months ago I would have had the same stance as you, that Poch hasn't won trophies and Mourinho would play more attractive football when we had more talented players.

We've signed those more talented players and we're playing even more unattractive football. We're in the same competitions as Spurs, a team with far less resources and pulling power than us.

If we could pull Poch away from them we should be so fast on that trigger that it'll incite a few anti-gun rallies across the world. Mourinho was given the resources to play better football and it hasn't been done. I'm done with supporting him blindly at this point. Give me a DOF that knows what he's doing and sign a promising manager and build something.

 

[sunama]

I understand where you are coming from. The fact that last weekend it was Ashley Young who supposedly rallied the players maybe says a lot.

I thought it was Carrick.
Anybody but Jose, I guess.

 

[Ban]

He gets a lot more credit to have built a side that is capable of fighting for trophies though then Mourinho does for spending 150m every summer and getting nowhere while playing shit football.

He built a side which is capable of fighting for trophies yet never wins them. Lets call spade a spade. We can be wary of the fact he doesn't win trophies. Maybe it would work, to get him, but lets not make excuses for him.-

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Spurs would kill to win even one of those trophies.
You don't get anything for playing attacking football and not winning trophies. Pro sport is all about winning. Even Poch understands that and would give anything to win his first trophy.
Nobody plays matches (manager or players) to play attacking football and not win trophies.
I'm perplexed that I am having explain this. Am I the only one who knows that the aim of the game is to win?

Problem we have as United fans is that we want to win and play attractive football. Poch might just break his duck this season.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I thought it was Carrick.
Anybody but Jose, I guess.

I heard it was Ashley, maybe it was both.

 

[Vidyoyo]

You're right. If he was a godsend of a manager he likely would have won a trophy or two by now. I mean he still can win one this season (just like us - and be honest, who do you favor in that game?). They have been fighting for trophies, they won their group in the UCL that had Madrid in it. They lost to Juventus (one of Europe's top clubs).

Now look at us. We spent insane amount of money. You'd think we'd be challenging for trophies too right? I mean we can still win the FA Cup but we lost to Sevilla in the UCL which was completely embarrassing. Up until a few months ago I would have had the same stance as you, that Poch hasn't won trophies and Mourinho would play more attractive football when we had more talented players.

We've signed those more talented players and we're playing even more unattractive football. We're in the same competitions as Spurs, a team with far less resources and pulling power than us.

If we could pull Poch away from them we should be so fast on that trigger that it'll incite a few anti-gun rallies across the world. Mourinho was given the resources to play better football and it hasn't been done. I'm done with supporting him blindly at this point. Give me a DOF that knows what he's doing and sign a promising manager and build something.

 

[Fredo]

Joke of a performance, little rotation, players not wanting to create space, lack of any sense of leadership from our captain (usual shit this season), relying on DDG to keep us level, list goes on and on but most of you probably read it throughout the season, so yeah, fecking bullshit

 

[sunama]

If we could pull Poch away from them we should be so fast on that trigger that it'll incite a few anti-gun rallies across the world. Mourinho was given the resources to play better football and it hasn't been done. I'm done with supporting him blindly at this point. Give me a DOF that knows what he's doing and sign a promising manager and build something.

Fawning over a rival's manager, while berating our own.
Go support Spurs, mate. That's where you belong.

 

[bosnian_red]

Spurs would kill to win even one of those trophies.
You don't get anything for playing attacking football and not winning trophies. Pro sport is all about winning. Even Poch understands that and would give anything to win his first trophy.
Nobody plays matches (manager or players) to play attacking football and not win trophies.
I'm perplexed that I am having explain this. Am I the only one who knows that the aim of the game is to win?

You sure as feck don't get anything from playing negatively and winning nothing either.

 

[Flytan]

I'm sorry but to constantly blame the manager when there's a disagreement is the reason why players have such an ego. Why has "Jose broken bridges" with Pogba say if Pogba is the one who isn't contributing at his best level and constantly playing the game as if it's nothing more than a stage for him to continue his showboating?

The reality is our club is in a pretty bad position right now, players see us as nothing more than a paycheck.. Giving players like Lingard such a stupid amount of money sealed our fate in that department... There's a reason Leicester won the league despite earning 1/10th of what other players would be earning in the PL, because they were footballers wanting to play/win, not mercenaries who show up for 2-3 days a week to collect their cash, which is clearly the case with many of our players.
It's why our players constantly look tired despite running less than I think the rest of the league... They just aren't bothered 90% of the time.

Normally yes, but that's how Pogba plays and his style looks. If he thought any differently before signing him, he clearly didn't watch him enough.

Also yes, usually both parties are to blame, but Mourinho has had a consistent history of falling out with some of the best players in his previous clubs (Hazard, Ronaldo, Sergio Ramos etc.)

 

[Jacko21]

Just no collective responsibility within the team.

We just seem to sleepwalk from game to game, without addressing any of the problems that we know will rear their ugly head come matchday. That goes for the players and coaching staff. Everyone is all smiles during the week and in training and yet come the game, everyone looks bewildered - 'oh look we're still sh*t.'

 

[ValenciaRocks]

One thing I noticed after the game is that there was more talk about Manchester United than about Manchester City.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

That's just his style, he's been the same since he first turned up at United as a 16 year old.

I agree it is his style, but we really should expect consistency from him.

 

[Flytan]

Fawning over a rival's manager, while berating our own.
Go support Spurs, mate. That's where you belong.

Why? Am I not allowed to dislike something about a club and like something about another? Sorry but I'm not that fickle I'd change my support of a club because of a manager.

 

[tony54]

Mourino out Vidic in. Winning man city was what it was, a one off fluke, now we're back to status quo.

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

I understand where you are coming from. The fact that last weekend it was Ashley Young who supposedly rallied the players maybe says a lot.

There’s no logical replacement for JM currently but he’ll never change - so we’re stuck with getting high enough up the table but sod the aesthetics. Might be better to start thinking out of the box about maybe bringing back some motivational ex players and/or coaching staff to act as figureheads for training or whatever and restructuring the whole thing?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

My goodness Jose does like blowing his own trumpet.

 

[Ban]

You're right. If he was a godsend of a manager he likely would have won a trophy or two by now. I mean he still can win one this season (just like us - and be honest, who do you favor in that game?). They have been fighting for trophies, they won their group in the UCL that had Madrid in it. They lost to Juventus (one of Europe's top clubs).

Now look at us. We spent insane amount of money. You'd think we'd be challenging for trophies too right? I mean we can still win the FA Cup but we lost to Sevilla in the UCL which was completely embarrassing. Up until a few months ago I would have had the same stance as you, that Poch hasn't won trophies and Mourinho would play more attractive football when we had more talented players.

We've signed those more talented players and we're playing even more unattractive football. We're in the same competitions as Spurs, a team with far less resources and pulling power than us.

If we could pull Poch away from them we should be so fast on that trigger that it'll incite a few anti-gun rallies across the world. Mourinho was given the resources to play better football and it hasn't been done. I'm done with supporting him blindly at this point. Give me a DOF that knows what he's doing and sign a promising manager and build something.

How long would you give him or any other promising young manager till he starts bringing the trophies to OT?

 

[Hughie77]

Wrong line up . Start with Rashford, Martial.. should have gone straight at them , but no he decides to play with 2 holders why?.. the guys not attacking enough with composure . 2nd half against City was probably the best we've played in 2 seasons .. why?.. I guess the players took it on themselves to to it. Like someone' mentioned I wouldn't mind if Jose went in summer and board gets another top guy in..

 

[Ban]

Mourino out Vidic in. Winning man city was what it was, a one off fluke, now we're back to status quo.

Vidić in?




what?

 

[Class of 63]

Let's play O Connor and Chong against Bournemouth

And Greenwood, Laird and Garner

 

[Rozay]

Now we’re just waiting on Liverpool to do the inevitable and that’s a wrap for our season.