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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
OH MY GOD
what the feck dude
I really want this arrogant cnut to go down. 
“Damian Collins tries to call Ian Lucas for another question, but Banks refuses to take it, saying he’s got an appointment for lunch that he doesn’t want to be late for. He stands up to leave, with Collins asking for one more question.
“The word is no. When we went out, you said 20 minutes, and I think we’ve run past it.” Banks walks out while the cameras are still running, and Collins, looking perturbed at losing control, ends the hearing.”
“Damian Collins tries to call Ian Lucas for another question, but Banks refuses to take it, saying he’s got an appointment for lunch that he doesn’t want to be late for. He stands up to leave, with Collins asking for one more question.
“The word is no. When we went out, you said 20 minutes, and I think we’ve run past it.” Banks walks out while the cameras are still running, and Collins, looking perturbed at losing control, ends the hearing.”
Yeah, think he might want to rework that intro.
Kenneth Clarke says the argument that keeping the Lords amendment would undermine the prime minister is “ridiculous”. It is based on the theory that in the continent they don’t know there are divisions in the cabinet.
This generates some solid laughter.
He says on the continent people are bemused by the British. Other EU governments have to get the approval of their parliaments for Brexit. Today’s debate is just an attempt by “zealots” to stop this parliament having a say.
The UK government presumably do realise that people outside the UK know what's going on in the UK.
All May is going to negotiate with the EU is how much it would cost to stop the bankruptcy of the UK.
This generates some solid laughter.
He says on the continent people are bemused by the British. Other EU governments have to get the approval of their parliaments for Brexit. Today’s debate is just an attempt by “zealots” to stop this parliament having a say.
The UK government presumably do realise that people outside the UK know what's going on in the UK.
All May is going to negotiate with the EU is how much it would cost to stop the bankruptcy of the UK.
Jacob Rees-Mogg has probably promised her that all carrier pigeons and telegraphs are being censored from those brutes abroad.
Dominic Grieve is no idiot.
"The irrationality of the debate we are having on the details of Brexit is truly chilling.
He says the government is trying to pass hugely complex legislation. But anyone who questions how it might work is denounced by the newspapers.
He says there could be a crisis if parliament rejects the deal and there is no fallback."
"The irrationality of the debate we are having on the details of Brexit is truly chilling.
He says the government is trying to pass hugely complex legislation. But anyone who questions how it might work is denounced by the newspapers.
He says there could be a crisis if parliament rejects the deal and there is no fallback."
Kate Hoey is one of the worst exports from N.Ireland. My apologies.
Sounds like the government have staved off a rebellion at the last second. Cnuts.
Yep, was more comfortable than it looked a while back. Actually had hope that they'd lose
Have no idea why she's in Labour.
She's having a baby?
The government has won the fourth vote. MPs voted by 324 votes to 302 - a majority of 24 - to reject another Lords amendment on the exit day (ie, to put the exit day back in the bill after it was removed by peers).
The UK are leaving on that date anyway no matter what was voted for today.
Today is pretty meaningless (as has been the last two years) - they can keep arguing amongst themselves, won't change the final outcome.
The UK are leaving on that date anyway no matter what was voted for today.
Today is pretty meaningless (as has been the last two years) - they can keep arguing amongst themselves, won't change the final outcome.
"The government has won the third vote. MPs voted to reverse the Lords amendment removing the “exit day” from the bill by 326 votes to 301 - a majority of 25. That means 29 March 2019 is going back in the bill as exit day."
Why in the name of feck do they insist on this bollocks? It's just cutting the countries feet out from under it.
Why in the name of feck do they insist on this bollocks? It's just cutting the countries feet out from under it.
The government has won the fifth vote. MPs voted by 328 votes to 297 - a majority of 31 - to take out another Lords amendment relating to the exit day. (It was a Lords amendment taking the date out of the bill; now it is going back in
No vote on the final deal.
Theresa May has won the key vote on giving parliament a “meaningful vote” on Brexit - although only by offering Tory rebels a significant concession. MPs voted by 324 votes to 298 - a majority of 26 - to reject the amendment passed in the Lords enabling parliament to take charge of the negotiating strategy if MPs voted against the Brexit deal in the autumn.
Feck. I've got relatives who work at the Solihull plant.
There is no debate on free movement.
Brexiters apparently not happy.
Looking more and more likely that we are just going to remain in the EU legislatively with a few changes to show that we 'left' the EU.
The point d is the most important.
Sooner or later we have to start discussing free movement and they all know it
It's either that or we throw the economy in the gutter.
Yes but it's still back to the same two choices - off the cliff and economy in the gutter or stay in CU/SM which means free movement.
So if No Deal is dead and the Commons with its divisions will never agree on the terms of any deal (as any deal they present will be too Brexity for some, not Brexity enough for others) has Brexit effectively been kicked to the other side of another General Election?
What exactly has been passed that rules out a no deal?
The intention I think has always been to stretch it to the next GE.
However, if No Deal is dead, the UK are staying in the EU in all but name. To get past March 2019 the UK have to agree to the CU/SM for NI.
Well the Rebels and the Wankers appear to be under two different impressions. Govt has clearly been talking out of both sides of its arse in order to just get through tonight. If assurances made to rebels turn out to be not what they seem then this will get batted straight back by the Lords and the govt's credibility to negotiate its way out of a defeat second time around in the Commons will be shot to pieces.
So a pointless stupid Brexit rather than a nightmare apocalypse Brexit? That's a win, sort of.
In the short term that would be the most beneficial form brexit can take (in my opinion). The EU can try to evolve/improve/change without the UK's veto and continue trading with the UK who gets to do the same. In the long term an EU without UK input will become a new problem though (if the UK exits in name only).
At this point it is, aye. A hard Brexit seems like it can't be implemented due the Northern Irish issue alone, and even beyond that it'll cause all sorts of upheaval. Politicians complaining about how they won't be able to end freedom of movement should've considered that in the years during which they'd been arguing against the EU and had been expressing a desire to leave.
A soft Brexit is pointless, in that we'll basically remain in our current situation only without any leverage whatsoever over the EU, but I'd rather that than chaos.
They were the only choices really available other than no Brexit. The stupid Brexit also comes with no say for the UK in the EU.
I wouldn't yet rule out a No Deal though. If reality finally dawns on some Brexiters, there'll be some angry people about.
By worst exports you mean cnut?
Unless they force us into Schengen. That would be hilarious.
The CU/SM with the "horror" of free movement deal is inevitable. The trouble is no government can sign off on that deal. Any government that does that risks annihilation at the next GE
What I think will happen is, that deal is going to be put back to the people as either another referendum or a GE with both parties officially backing it.
I suspect no government is also going to want to be the ones to take us out of the EU without a deal.
What I think will happen is, that deal is going to be put back to the people as either another referendum or a GE with both parties officially backing it.
I suspect no government is also going to want to be the ones to take us out of the EU without a deal.