Why so much hate for Pogba?

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This is what I said just a few pages ago in this thread. It's not Paul's fault that he makes a lot of money. Even look a few months ago after one of the games Scholes singles him out and calls his performance 'disrespectful'. I think it was the 0-1 vs West Brom. Even though the whole team had an off day and no-one played remotely well it was about Pogba disrespecting the manager, fans etc. With Pogba it's personal.
 
Lukakusfirsttouch said:
People get frustrated with him because of his social media, the way he acts. He’s more bothered about his next haircut than playing football. He cares more about meeting famous NBA or NFL players instead of keeping his head down and working on his game. He acts like he’s as good as Neymar but instead he gets destroyed by the likes of Nzonzi. His has an ego like zlatan but then doesn’t back it up on the pitch. He’s not as good as he thinks he is. He’s too childish for his age and needs to grow up. Everyone can see he has potential but if he wants to be a real pro, he will have to realise how lucky he is and get his head down and work on his game instead of trying to work on his next celebration.
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Are you a real human being that genuinely thinks this?
 
clarkydaz said:
I think most people are up in arms over Sterling's treatment as its about the guy personally. He has had a great season but they are still going after him. Pogba is mainly down to being underwhelming on the pitch giving ammo to vent about his hair and social media presence
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Doing so in the build up to the WC is so very typical of the UK media. Quick to point fingers and tear people down but take no responsibility for their actions. Reporting the news stretched to a translucent level, when really it is about creating a narrative. One the public has refused to run with though, they have misjudged the audience this time.
 
It most certainly is a little bit personal with it comes to the Pogs. He used to frustrate me a lot too tbh, but I’ve come to accept the type of player that he is and I think it’s just much healthier if everyone else does that too. He’s not going to be the gut bursting all action box to box player that wins the ball back at the edge of his own penalty area, sends a long diagonal to the winger and run all the way to the other box to get on the end of the cross himself. Not regularly anyway. The quicker people realise this the better, and how much he cost us or his wages is not a fair stick to beat him with - the market determined that, not Paul. He likes to enjoy himself and cuts his hair a lot, so fecking what? This is where it gets personal and a little bit racist even.

Pogba is a player capable of world class moments, a ‘world class player’ he is not and may never be. Who knows.
 
The_Order said:
Probably,

Intelligence doesn't exist in a vacuum, its a spectrum, there are a variety of intelligence but they are intelligence al the same.
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I don't agree, it is more peripheral vision, speed of reflexes, coordination and touch on the ball that make up football intelligence. Those are physical characteristics more than intellectual
 
Stacks said:
think you've missed the point I was making. Also none of said players are the most expensive signing in EPL history. comes with the territory mate.
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What's that got to do with anything? The over exaggerating of Pogba's performances in general are laughable. The same posters every week talking as if he's some conference standard player, or a player who walks around the pitch for 90 minutes. The only player who got called out for being lazy last season inside OT was Lukaku and rightly so at the time. His attitude was poor. Pogba had a poor run of form. He puts it down to a virus. He may be lying ? Who knows.

That period aside he isn't the problem, if we play better as a team and he doesn't play well. Then he's a problem. As it is everyone had a poor/average season last season bar the keeper.
 
I'm not English, so don't read British papers, but if there is criticism, isn't it fairly natural considering he's by far the most expensive player in the league, haven't met expectations, sometimes seems complacent and is very diligent on social media. And of course the hair cuts and hand shakes.
 
Womp said:
Really isn't. Pogba has compared himself to Iniesta and Messi in the span of a fortnight, then looks less influential in a game against Australia than Aaron Mooy. Bar a freak goal, most people I was watching the game with didn't even know he was playing, myself included. With the undoubted talent he has, it's understandable why people are frustrated when he consistently strolls through games, not dominating them as he has shown capable
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Stop, you're talking way too much sense. Doesn't work on here.
 
His body language and over the top social media activity makes him an easy target.

Kroos and Modric for an example, put a better shift in than Pogba who compared with them has won almost nothing. You should see more drive from him, but it's not there.
 
Evra said something in commentary: his profile has gone way beyond his football. He's a good player obviously, but nowhere near good enough to warrant the circus that tends to follow him around for whatever reason. You can't blame him for his personality, but everyone's reaction is OTT.
 
Kroos and Modric for an example, put a better shift in than Pogba who compared with them has won almost nothing. You should see more drive from him, but it's not there.[/QUOTE]

Hardly fair. He's years younger than these two and he's won four Italian titles; two Italian Cups; the Europa League and the ELF Cup.
 
Mainoldo said:
They don't criticize their performances like Pogba. No one cares that Benzema nolonger scores goals etc.
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Yes, they always being targeted as scapegoats whenever their team loses.

People surely care about Benzema as they consistently mock his goalscoring production or making misses in every single game
 
Lukakusfirsttouch said:
People get frustrated with him because of his social media, the way he acts. He’s more bothered about his next haircut than playing football. He cares more about meeting famous NBA or NFL players instead of keeping his head down and working on his game. He acts like he’s as good as Neymar but instead he gets destroyed by the likes of Nzonzi. His has an ego like zlatan but then doesn’t back it up on the pitch. He’s not as good as he thinks he is. He’s too childish for his age and needs to grow up. Everyone can see he has potential but if he wants to be a real pro, he will have to realise how lucky he is and get his head down and work on his game instead of trying to work on his next celebration.
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This is really OTT
 
United Player
Ex-most expensive footballer
Flashy appearance
Flashy lifestyle
Flashy Social Media buzz
United Player

No one cares when he was in Turin.

Oh, and his overall performances is not enough to shut 'em all up.
 
Kag said:
Are you a real human being that genuinely thinks this?
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Can you imagine if he had the mentality of Kane, Ferdinand, Keane, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Carrick, Lampard? Someone with elite mentality he’d be a world beater.

He’s the same age as Kane, look at the difference in attitude towards his game.

Pogba just doesnt care. All talent no brains. He’s throwing his potential away in my opinion.

All I’m saying is he doesn’t have the focus or desire to be the best. That’s why people hate on him. Plus his £90m price tag which at the time was the world record fee. In my opinion he’s wasting his talent and isn’t focused and needs a reality check.
 
He's everything that's the polar opposite to mainstream English culture. Even if he was the best player in the league, he'd still be hated in the same way that people hated CR7 or Beckham.
It's never been palatable in this country and there is the elephant in the room which is he's a person of colour. If he was white, not saying he wouldn't be criticised but it would have a different 'tone' as many of the references are stereotypically not white ones. References to flash clothes, music, cars and dancing? Black rapper maybe? I like the 'why couldn't he be more like Kane'? Could Kane be anymore whiter....

Wasting his talent? How? Why are we at Utd now the barometer of talent? People need to look elsewhere for scapegoats as if he was put up for sale tmw, he'd cost someone more than we paid for him.
 
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Litch said:
He's everything that's the polar opposite to mainstream English culture. Even if he was the best player in the league, he'd still be hated in the same way that people hated CR7 or Beckham.
It's never been palatable in this country and there is the elephant in the room which is he's a person of colour. If he was white, not saying he wouldn't be criticised but it would have a different 'tone' as many of the references are stereotypically not white ones. References to flash clothes, music, cars and dancing? Black rapper maybe?
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Are you suggesting that Pogba is hated because he is black?
 
Random Task said:
Are you suggesting that Pogba is hated because he is black?
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Its strange, I can't think of a white player who's been accused of being lazy and flashy.
Beckham maybe? Meanwhile Balotelli, Depay, even Sterling spring to mind right off the bat.
 
Random Task said:
Are you suggesting that Pogba is hated because he is black?
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No I'm suggesting some of the reasons he's hated are black racial stereotypes. I'm saying if he wasn't black, the tone of the criticisms would be different imo. Reminds me of some of the nonsense that came out of big Rons stupid mouth....
 
Litch said:
No I'm suggesting some of the reasons he's hated are black racial stereotypes. I'm saying if he wasn't black, the tone of the criticisms would be different imo. Reminds me of some of the nonsense that came out of big Rons stupid mouth....
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The grief Pogba is receiving right now and Big Ron's racist outburst is not even remotely comparable. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
 
cyberman said:
Its strange, I can't think of a white player who's been accused of being lazy and flashy.
Beckham maybe? Meanwhile Balotelli, Depay, even Sterling spring to mind right off the bat.
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This isn't new and whilst there might be white players described in this way, the context is different and normally it comes as a package...with the clothes, cars, dancing et al. Sterling has a tattoo of a gun on his leg and it's all over the media yet others in the league have all kinds of tattoos portraying women in a disrespectful way, but there's nothing. Why the links to gun by media....all the shooting involving black youths in London?
 
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Random Task said:
The grief Pogba is receiving right now and Big Ron's racist outburst is not even remotely comparable. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
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What Ron said was equally based on racial stereotypes? How many references are made on here of white players being flash, references to the music they listen to, celebrations or dancing and the clothes they wear. Is Pogs the only player on social media?
 
Litch said:
This isn't new and whilst there might be white players described in this way, the context is different and normally it comes as a package...with the clothes, cars, dancing et al. Sterling has a tattoo of a gun on his leg and it's all over the media yet others in the league have all kinds of tattoos portraying women in a disrespectful way, but there's nothing. Why the links to gun by media....all the shouting involving black youths in London?
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Martial is even suffering from the lazy tag yet when Jose was trying to coach Joe Cole into being more active he was the bad guy for trying to do so.
Rio suffered from lapses in concentration, Dwight Yorke was destroyed for his off the pitch discretions.
I'm not saying the statements can't be true but there seems to be an eagerness to point it out depending on their tone of skin.
 
Litch said:
He's everything that's the polar opposite to mainstream English culture. Even if he was the best player in the league, he'd still be hated in the same way that people hated CR7 or Beckham.
It's never been palatable in this country and there is the elephant in the room which is he's a person of colour. If he was white, not saying he wouldn't be criticised but it would have a different 'tone' as many of the references are stereotypically not white ones. References to flash clothes, music, cars and dancing? Black rapper maybe? I like the 'why couldn't he be more like Kane'? Could Kane be anymore whiter....
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And how do you know that some of those that criticise him(and rightly so)on RedCafe aren't also black, or of mixed race.

Stupid comment.
 
cyberman said:
Martial is even suffering from the lazy tag yet when Jose was trying to coach Joe Cole into being more active he was the bad guy for trying to do so.
Rio suffered from lapses in concentration, Dwight Yorke was destroyed for his off the pitch discretions.
I'm not saying the statements can't be true but there seems to be an eagerness to point it out depending on their tone of skin.
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It’s easy because it’s blatantly obvious we just keep sush about it. David Beckham’s hairstyles or dress sense never had people questioning is game. They only time it mattered was when he had an act of stupidness in 98.
 
Think the criticisms have nothing to do with Pogba being black and Muslim. Only with him underperforming given the big expecations.
 
Class of 63 said:
And how do you know that some of those that criticise him(and rightly so)on RedCafe aren't also black, or of mixed race.

Stupid comment.
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No the stupidity is you think I'm saying only white people can make racial stereotypes. That's like saying only white people can be racist. I'm not saying it's a white or black thing, I'm saying that we need to be careful of where some of this stuff is coming from. I get why people are disappointed in his football but what I don't get is the reasons people are suggesting it is, when these are equally applicable to other players just in different ways.
 
Mainoldo said:
It’s easy because it’s blatantly obvious we just keep sush about it. David Beckham’s hairstyles or dress sense never had people questioning is game. They only time it mattered was when he had an act of stupidness in 98.
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I think if many want to have a fair shot at such a complex matter, United-tinted specs should be removed first. Pogba gets so much stick because he is starting being considered a footballing fraud, compared to the hype, but part of the blame should really fall upon the disfunctional club and environment he is immersed in these days. Pogba will never be a good enough footballer to single handedly bring United to glory, but point is no player would be these days.
 
Yeah all this talk about race being the main issue is dumb imo. Pogba gets criticized mainly because he is so inconsistent and has largely underperformed. People constantly ask what type of player he is or what he should be. Mourinho tries to shoe horn him into something he's never shown he can do. Hes shown plenty of times where he hasnt either worked hard enough on the pitch, looked immature with his decision making or too bothered about doing fancy dribbles or shooting from 40 yards out on occasion.

That's the main reason why he gets so much criticism. And its deserved. Now, of course there are some people like Souness whi are just idiots and throw all the stereotypes in right away about him being big and strong and physical despite that not being his game. People hate on the hair and dancing and all that as it's an easy target, but in the end wouldnt matter and wouldnt be mentioned if he actually performed. But that doesnt change the fact that as an individual player, hes struggled to live up to the hype and his pricetag so far. Nobody gets criticized like that without at least some reason. If Pogba plays well and performs consistently, everyone would shut up and instantly say how hes finally fulfilled his potential. Simple as that.
 
Mainoldo said:
It’s easy because it’s blatantly obvious we just keep sush about it. David Beckham’s hairstyles or dress sense never had people questioning is game. They only time it mattered was when he had an act of stupidness in 98.
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You mean apart from the guy in charge of Man United. And Beckham always ran his bollocks off on the pitch regardless
 
clarkydaz said:
You mean apart from the guy in charge of Man United. And Beckham always ran his bollocks off on the pitch regardless
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Shame you can’t see the stereotype in your own comment lol.

David Beckham was a public icon, that’s what Fergie’s problem was Pogba dances on instagram it’s not really comparable.
 
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