Le Parisien: UEFA considering creating FFP 2.0, which limits net transfer spending to €100m/season

[JPRouve]

Absolutely. The whole thing is disgusting. The money is disgusting.

And American sports are your example for football with less money? Just to have laugh in MLB players are paid up to 33m$.
But more importantly the draft structure isn't possible in football, the leagues are open not closed and where do you get the free players from in the first place? Not college and your are not going to steal players from academies.

 

[Law's Law]

Agree on that. Fee should be capped. Thing is though, Raiola is brilliant for his clients. He gets them big moves on big wages. Aruba and Mahrez have been desperate to move for over a season now. One ended up at a Europa League club on a small pay rise and Mahrez is left looking a mug again.

Raiola would have done miles better for their careers.

In that case, it makes more sense if agents were compensated adequately by their players, not by the new club.

I mean almost every player has an agent. It’s not like clubs hire a random agent and ask him to find them a random good player. Clubs know their target players and know exactly how to approach them. It’s the agent actual job to negotiate. When you think about it, a club paying a player’s agent for his services is almost boredline bribery!
Agent fees can decide a lot of transfers and I believe it is wrong.

Edit: sorry, just noticed there is another thread discussing this specific topic.

 

[Camilo]

And American sports are your example for football with less money? Just to have laugh in MLB players are paid up to 33m$.
But more importantly the draft structure isn't possible in football, the leagues are open not closed and where do you get the free players from in the first place? Not college and your are not going to steal players from academies.

Why am I having to make up the rules? The current system is awful. It's like our society - if you're poor, get to feck. There's no defending it. Make it a sport, not a business. It's only entertainment.

 

[Baby Groot]

Exactly. Add to that City's owners own 3 or 4 teams. Ditto for Leipzig

UEFA/FIFA/FA could start by banning these types of ownership, and then while they are at it ban foreign ownership of football clubs.

 

[JPRouve]

Why am I having to make up the rules? The current system is awful. It's like our society - if you're poor, get to feck. There's no defending it. Make it a sport, not a business. It's only entertainment.

American sports are the ultimate business. Entertainment is a business in most cases.

 

[Camilo]

American sports are the ultimate business. Entertainment is a business in most cases.

I only mentioned the draft, which is just a more entertaining, fairer idea which I'd happily see implemented. Better than the "we sold more merchandise to Koreans so we can buy better players" model.

 

[JPRouve]

I only mentioned the draft, which is just a more entertaining, fairer idea which I'd happily see implemented. Better than the "we sold more merchandise to Koreans so we can buy better players" model.

And that's why I asked whether you thought about it because "I only mentioned the draft" doesn't work, it's a complete system. Which teams are in your draft, where the players come from?
American leagues are closed, the franchises are products of the league who decides where they are implemented based on markets, there is no promotions or relegations, which teams are in your league?

 

[anant]

UEFA/FIFA/FA could start by banning these types of ownership, and then while they are at it ban foreign ownership of football clubs.

I don't think foreign ownership is that big a problem. I feel it helps spread the sport in other regions as well.

The problem however is, an active political figure being the owner of the club, which I believe should be banned. I think being just a democratically elected member of the parliament is ok, but one should be forced to give up ownership of club if he/she is a minister or head of state or is related to them

 

[Gentleman Jim]

UEFA/FIFA/FA could start by banning these types of ownership, and then while they are at it ban foreign ownership of football clubs.

Ban everything that inconveniences you. Allow everything that doesn't no matter how detrimental to the game as a whole.

 

[reddaz71]

If you play FM on cheat mode then there is no integrity in doing so,essentially PSG and City with unlimited funds is the same principle as your just cheating your way to success,sounds harsh but its actually true however you dress it up!

UEFA need to be doing far more than any follow up to FFP if they want to reign in clubs who are run by oil rich states!

 

[broccoli]

Make it 30M so minor leagues become relevant again

 

[0161_UNITED]

Limiting net transfer spending to €100 million will only hurt smaller clubs, and shift even more money to wages and agents. Smaller clubs would get a cap on what they can sell their players - Ajax, Feyenoord, Southampton, Brazilian clubs like ones that produced Neymar or Gabriel Jesus - could get a maximum €100 million for a player - it hurts smaller clubs that produce talent and prevents them from getting funds that could set the club up in a good place financially for decades. For the big clubs it could limit them to buying one or two players a year - with the behind the scenes transfer dramas of unsettled players hankering for a transfer behaving poorly reaching unexpected new heights - because all the money will be in the wages and agent fees - not the transfer fees. It would be a cluster.

 

[Camilo]

And that's why I asked whether you thought about it because "I only mentioned the draft" doesn't work, it's a complete system. Which teams are in your draft, where the players come from?
American leagues are closed, the franchises are products of the league who decides where they are implemented based on markets, there is no promotions or relegations, which teams are in your league?

Of course it works. It's just a sport, it just requires a little thought. Just because I can't be arsed sussing the details out doesn't mean it wouldn't be a vastly more entertaining and fairer system.

 

[JPRouve]

Of course it works. It's just a sport, it just requires a little thought. Just because I can't be arsed sussing the details out doesn't mean it wouldn't be a vastly more entertaining and fairer system.

The system is based on the NCAA, where student athletes generate loads of money but gets nothing, that's the pool of players for the NBA, NFL, MLB and MLS(The MLS are allegedly getting rid of the draft). In Europe we don't have the equivalent of the NCAA and we are not implementing a system that might be entertaining but isn't fair at all, when it comes to student athletes.

 

[Bastian]

I don't really want to make a new thread for FFP though it might be handy to have a general thread on it. But I was listening to Duncan Castles explain a possible plot by PSG to sign Adama Traore by having a subsidiary club sign him and then "buy" him from them on the cheap. And if that works out for them then City could really do this all over the world.

My question is, if say City have a super promising player signed by Melbourne City to then buy him later on the cheap, couldn't any other club step into that process and offer a higher fee forcing City (or whichever mega rich club owns the club in question) to raise their offer? Or is there a way for a governing body to determine if a transfer fee is way below market value?

 

[Revan]

I don't really want to make a new thread for FFP though it might be handy to have a general thread on it. But I was listening to Duncan Castles explain a possible plot by PSG to sign Adama Traore by having a subsidiary club sign him and then "buy" him from them on the cheap. And if that works out for them then City could really do this all over the world.

My question is, if say City have a super promising player signed by Melbourne City to then buy him later on the cheap, couldn't any other club step into that process and offer a higher fee forcing City (or whichever mega rich club owns the club in question) to raise their offer? Or is there a way for a governing body to determine if a transfer fee is way below market value?

Nah. The club is free to accept whatever offer it wants, not necessarily the highest. For example, PSG refused our offer for Ronaldinho despite that we offered a million more than Barca.

Of course, if it is too obvious then I guess that UEFA might decide to investigate.

 

[Bastian]

Nah. The club is free to accept whatever offer it wants, not necessarily the highest. For example, PSG refused our offer for Ronaldinho despite that we offered a million more than Barca.

Of course, if it is too obvious then I guess that UEFA might decide to investigate.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. If City/PSG offered 10m for a player and someone else offered 20m which wasn't accepted, it would be pretty obvious that they are going around the rules. Just wondering how prepared the authorities are for these kinds of scenarios. Pretty crazy in and of itself that owners of one club can own another (or many others).

 

[Lennon7]

That’d honestly be the best thing to happen to the game in years.

 

[Irrational.]

Can't wait for the day when City sell a 39 year old Vincent Kompany to Melbourne City for €100 million, then buy Mbappe for €200 million.

 

[cyberman]

I don't really want to make a new thread for FFP though it might be handy to have a general thread on it. But I was listening to Duncan Castles explain a possible plot by PSG to sign Adama Traore by having a subsidiary club sign him and then "buy" him from them on the cheap. And if that works out for them then City could really do this all over the world.

My question is, if say City have a super promising player signed by Melbourne City to then buy him later on the cheap, couldn't any other club step into that process and offer a higher fee forcing City (or whichever mega rich club owns the club in question) to raise their offer? Or is there a way for a governing body to determine if a transfer fee is way below market value?

Nah, take Jorginho for example. Napoli would get a higher price if he were open to a move to other clubs but he wants to go to City so they have to settle for less.
Its in that ball park.

 

[Bastian]

Nah, take Jorginho for example. Napoli would get a higher price if he were open to a move to other clubs but he wants to go to City so they have to settle for less.
Its in that ball park.

Yeah, that could be. It's concerning, for sure though.

 

[Sunny Jim]

The oil money clubs would find ways around it.

New York City franchise buys a City player for 400 mil pounds. There you go..that's 500 mil budget set.

 

[Neo_Mufc]

Did FFP 1.0 do anything significant for football?

I don't think this will ever work.

 

[hellohello]

Really want some type of ffp to work properly, but I don't see how.

 

[broccoli]

Champions League is getting more and more boring each year. Either Uefa does something about it or European club football will lose most of its popularity.

 

[Njord]

Clubs should be forced to limit their spending on the first team on what they bring in from the sport section; TV-money, ticket sales, prize money and the cumulative net transfer spend. The rest, sponsorship deals, money from owners etc. can go into other aspects of the club; academy, infrastructure, coach development etc.

 

[Igor Drefljak]

City have already done something like the above scenario though, on a smaller scale.
Signed a lad from their Melbourne team on a free and have either sold him already, or will do.

Something along them lines anyway

 

[Cal?]

Clubs should be forced to limit their spending on the first team on what they bring in from the sport section; TV-money, ticket sales, prize money and the cumulative net transfer spend. The rest, sponsorship deals, money from owners etc. can go into other aspects of the club; academy, infrastructure, coach development etc.

GREAT idea!!

 

[JohnnyKills]

The only Real, United and the other clubs will beat the oil arrivistes is by creating a super league and leaving them out.

Creating financial regulations only works if everyone signs up. Otherwise the ones who are rich enough will just find ways round them.

 

[SillyUsername]

The original FFP was fine, in theory. In reality it was almost a waste of time because for reasons I'd rather not speculate on, the people in power have not had the bottle or desire to properly see it through.

 

[Ecstatic]

The only Real, United and the other clubs will beat the oil arrivistes is by creating a super league and leaving them out.

Creating financial regulations only works if everyone signs up. Otherwise the ones who are rich enough will just find ways round them.

A super league without Paris doesn't make sense

 

[SillyUsername]

A super league without Paris doesn't make sense

10 years ago, the idea of PSG partaking in some kind of super league would've been nothing short of preposterous. They're in the conversation about it today thanks to the investment from a repressive regime. There's no other way of looking at it.

Luckily for PSG (and City) fans, if a super league ever came to pass, which I highly doubt, they'd be included because they got in early enough with the investment to become legitimate European contenders, at least on the pitch.

 

[JPRouve]

10 years ago, the idea of PSG partaking in some kind of super league would've been nothing short of preposterous. They're in the conversation about it today thanks to the investment from a repressive regime. There's no other way of looking at it.

Luckily for PSG (and City) fans, if a super league ever came to pass, which I highly doubt, they'd be included because they got in early enough with the investment to become legitimate European contenders, at least on the pitch.

That's not accurate, if a super league was created market size would be a huge criteria and among french clubs PSG are potentially second behind Marseille.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

they should just scrap FFP all together

 

[pacifictheme]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. If City/PSG offered 10m for a player and someone else offered 20m which wasn't accepted, it would be pretty obvious that they are going around the rules. Just wondering how prepared the authorities are for these kinds of scenarios. Pretty crazy in and of itself that owners of one club can own another (or many others).

I don't think they're prepared. Uefa woulfd have no power anyway as the selling club woulf be under a different federation.

I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. I guess thry know it'll hurt the brand they're trying very hard to protect and build up but at some stage it'll probably happen.

 

[Ecstatic]

PSG hasn't recruited a player this summer because of the FFP: that is the reality. That is why, they didn't try to acquire Rodrygo, Fred, Alex Sandro...

10 years ago, the idea of PSG partaking in some kind of super league would've been nothing short of preposterous.

10 years ago, Lyon would have been in the discussion.

10 years ago, the idea of PSG partaking in some kind of super league would've been nothing short of preposterous. They're in the conversation about it today thanks to the investment from a repressive regime. There's no other way of looking at it.

I can see another way: 'thanks to the investment generated by its gas industry: exports of 60 billions of US dollars per year.
Other countries are the welcome in Europe despite having repressive political regimes outside of their borders...

Luckily for PSG (and City) fans, if a super league ever came to pass, which I highly doubt, they'd be included because they got in early enough with the investment to become legitimate European contenders, at least on the pitch.

A competition without France will be a bad decision at all levels

Can't wait for the day when City sell a 39 year old Vincent Kompany to Melbourne City for €100 million, then buy Mbappe for €200 million.

The UEFA is now very vigilant due to the pressure exerted by the old-school clubs (Barcelona, Bayern...). PSG has a overpriced sponsor deal that has been cut down by the UEFA from an accounting standpoint

 

[pascell]

City have already done something like the above scenario though, on a smaller scale.
Signed a lad from their Melbourne team on a free and have either sold him already, or will do.

Something along them lines anyway

Aaron Mooy you're thinking of mate, sold him to Huddersfield and he's currently at the WC with Australia.

 

[JPRouve]

10 years ago, Lyon would have been in the discussion.



I can see another way: 'thanks to the investment generated by its gas industry: exports 60 billions of US dollars per year'.

Other countries are the welcome in Europe despite having repressive political regimes outside of their borders...



A competition without France will be bad decision at all levels

But Lyon aren't a big market, it's well known that they don't stretch beyond Rhones-Alpes. If it wasn't for bad owners in the 2000s PSG would be infinitely stronger, they have the best youth clubs in their backyard, devoted fans, it's also a club that has never been hated, so anyone can potentially join the bandwagon.

 

[Tommy]

Clubs should be forced to limit their spending on the first team on what they bring in from the sport section; TV-money, ticket sales, prize money and the cumulative net transfer spend. The rest, sponsorship deals, money from owners etc. can go into other aspects of the club; academy, infrastructure, coach development etc.

This is actually a really good idea.

The only Real, United and the other clubs will beat the oil arrivistes is by creating a super league and leaving them out.

Creating financial regulations only works if everyone signs up. Otherwise the ones who are rich enough will just find ways round them.

How hilarious would that be? The big clubs from across Europe ditch UEFA, make their own Super League/Champions League style tournament, and leave City/PSG/Chelsea etc outside like that unpopular kid at a party

 

[Ecstatic]

But Lyon aren't a big market, it's well known that they don't stretch beyond Rhones-Alpes. If it wasn't for bad owners in the 2000s PSG would be infinitely stronger, they have the best youth clubs in their backyard, devoted fans, it's also a club that has never been hated, so anyone can potentially join the bandwagon.

Sure, Lyon hasn't the same marketing power than Paris or Marseille.

Also, look at he following link about the G14 (2000-2008), which is interesting for diverse reasons with the benefit of hindsight

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:G14

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-14