You guys gave us total football and even with England's unlimited resources and devotion to the game your country has still achieved more. You can be forgiven for being arrogant, the English can't
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You guys gave us total football and even with England's unlimited resources and devotion to the game your country has still achieved more. You can be forgiven for being arrogant, the English can't
Best organized and best attended world cup ever. The final was poor but we had classics like the Brazil win over Holland (3-2), Romania over Argentina (3-2) and Bulgaria's 2-1 shock over Germany in the qtr finals. We saw great goals from Baggio, Stoichkov, Gheorge Hagi, Finnidi George, Romario and 'the Maradona of the Arabs' Saeed Al-Owairan who's solo effort is regarded as one of the best goals scored at the world cup. You guys missed all the fun!
No it wasn't, but since England destroyed the mighty Panama and Tunisa twitter and Facebook have been constantly reminding me 'its coming home' so this should be the best world cup ever if the stars align right!
There were great games at that WC, much better than Italia 90 and on a similar level to France 98, main problem was the matches being played with high temperatures to please the European TV audiences.
It went bad from Diana Ross on.
Well, i mean easy compared to others or how it should be. A bit like Germany in 2002. Obviously every team can play decent football in the knockout stages.
For me personally i'd be happy for England and especially for English United players but at the same time i'd enjoy it when they get knocked out on penalties.
Got to do with the English ABU and the treatment of United players by the English media and fans (Beckham 98, Rooney 06), the overlooking of players like Carrick and shoving Scholes to the wing to accommodate others.
If Colombia beat England and Mexico beat Brazil, Southgate is going to look like a muppet.
There's no ABU. That's the usual fan delusions of persecution. Every club thinks the world is against them and enjoys their misery. Those players were overlooked because of shit managers. That being said, you owe no loyalty to England just because the club you support is from there.
Holland has won the euros and never the World Cup I believe, surely that's not achieving more than England, who have won a World Cup?You guys gave us total football and even with England's unlimited resources and devotion to the game your country has still achieved more. You can be forgiven for being arrogant, the English can't
We're gonna lose to Colombia. I can feel it in my bones.
And then all those idiots in the press who suggested we should lose to Belgium to get an easy run through the knockout stages will be the first ones calling for Southgate's head and scapegoating the players.
And then all those idiots in the press who suggested we should lose to Belgium to get an easy run through the knockout stages will be the first ones calling for Southgate's head and scapegoating the players.
It definitely was shite. It’s between 1994 and 2010 for the Worst World Cup in the past 30-40 years.
Have a little faith ;-) 3-0 win. Kane with a brace.
Actually, I just watched the England Iceland highlights as it popped up on YouTube. Now I’m in two minds. Alli, Sterling, Kane and Walker were awful that night. A massive reality check.
To be honest, I’m nervous as hell. We do have the better side and play better football than them. But this is England. We’re great at choking. 60/40 in our favour i’d say.
What because England's b team isn't as good as Belgium's ? He didn't go out to lose that game. He did the right thing by resting players for a dead rubber game exactly the same as Martinez did.
And he looks like a muppet anyway in that suit but that is beyond the point.
What is the difference in mentality? When you have the ONLY chance to rest a few players, that few of your oppositions have, why waste it? What is the purpose of having a squad, when they don't get playing chance. It is not just about being on TV, it is about getting some game time and be better prepared for the real opportunity, when it comes.
You can argue that Rashford might have taken his chance better, if he has played more often. Kind of comparison with Januzaj.
Swear at me again, if this is all you can do.
Sorry what?
We are slagging off England but happily enjoy the benefit of having Lingard, Rashford and Jones in United. Or something like that.
Only stupid cnuts talk about mentality. You have no idea what another person is thinking but it makes you sound clever to claim that you do.
The purpose of a squad in the WC is to have backup for your best XI. International teams play together little enough as it is. It's my opinion that you get as much game time for them all together as possible to make them play better together.
United are the most hated club in England. There are far more ex-Liverpool and other pundits and journos who dislike United, than those who sympathize or even being neutral towards United. I don't recall non-United players being treated like Beckham or Rooney ever, despite also costing England elimination from tournaments. Maybe it is the siege mentality and bias, but I genuinely feel that United players are being treated unfairly with everything that has to do with England.
You guys gave us total football and even with England's unlimited resources and devotion to the game your country has still achieved more. You can be forgiven for being arrogant, the English can't
I speak as an Englishman with a Dutch family. I'll try to be objective.
England has won the world cup, the Netherlands have not.
English teams have also qualified for more World Cups than The Netherlands.
English clubs have been much, much more successful in domestic European championships trophy count wise than their Dutch counterparts.
Explain just how Holland have "achieved more" please.
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You guys gave us total football and even with England's unlimited resources and devotion to the game your country has still achieved more. You can be forgiven for being arrogant, the English can't
Are you on drugs
What people don't realize that Colombian media have talked about their NT being in a favourable half of the draw also. Is this cockiness? No. It's just media being media and talking about what one would naturally talk about in a World Cup.
Most of the concern right now in Colombia is what the results of tomorrow's injury update on James will be, understandably.
So far we've beaten the equivalent of a Championship team, by virtue of a last second goal, and a pub team - even contriving to concede a goal to them.
The World Cup proper starts now, this is the game that will show us the level we're truly at.
The World Cup proper starts now, this is the game that will show us the level we're truly at.
Southgate's decision to rest the first choice players was the right one given the Belgian line up. Playing the first team was a lose lose situation. Their chances in this tournament are based on momentum and confidence and playing Belgium's reserves where the winner got a tougher draw was going to gain them nothing.
England have momentum on their side after the Panama game and their first team losing to Belgium's reserves would have been a momentum killer. They have now got the easiest possible run to the semis, especially if James is out injured.
England have momentum on their side after the Panama game and their first team losing to Belgium's reserves would have been a momentum killer. They have now got the easiest possible run to the semis, especially if James is out injured.
Oh really? So it turns out Colombia are arrogant cocky bastards too!
Hope everyone starts slagging them off.
Colombia shouldn't be underestimated. All depends whether or not James plays
Or it just means that they are realistic?
We can make all the mental gymnastics that we want, about how the Swiss are a great team yada yada but the reality is on paper (and on the pitch, Brazil are a better team).
That doesn't mean that England will beat Colombia in the first place and it doesn't mean that England will beat Switzerland/ Sweden if they reach the QF.
But there is an absolute obsession on this board with declaring pretty typical mentalities from the fans and media as uniquely British and therefore annoying. Football fans are reactive, shocker. They are in every country, in every club.
I think we're slight favourites against Colombia (ie 55/45) but wouldn't be at all surprised if they knocked us out. They've looked good and have a few excellent players.
We can make all the mental gymnastics that we want, about how the Swiss are a great team yada yada but the reality is on paper (and on the pitch, Brazil are a better team).
That doesn't mean that England will beat Colombia in the first place and it doesn't mean that England will beat Switzerland/ Sweden if they reach the QF.
But there is an absolute obsession on this board with declaring pretty typical mentalities from the fans and media as uniquely British and therefore annoying. Football fans are reactive, shocker. They are in every country, in every club.
I think we're slight favourites against Colombia (ie 55/45) but wouldn't be at all surprised if they knocked us out. They've looked good and have a few excellent players.
England’s path is easier. Hindsight can tear you apart but we can talk about that once it happens.
It’s becoming irritating that this thread, or any discussions about England, seem to revolve more around the media and especially fan expectations than football. There’s practically no discussion on players, performances, tactics and formations, the next opponent. Just England fans this, or the British media that...
This is such a stupid post. Supporting a club and an international team are completely two different subjects.
I don’t really see any match being easy, for England, or any team really going forward. Spain may struggle with what I’d expect to be a stadium full of Russians cheering on the home side. Belgium might underestimate Japan to their peril, although I expect Belgium to win.
We’ll see about England. Colombia with a fully fit and firing James is a different prospect, but even without him they are dangerous in attack, and they can defend. Pickford still looks a bit shaky to me, and I think a hopefully soon to be fit Alli has a role to play if England progress. Trippier has been playing extremely well. If he can get service into the forwards, maybe England can get a goal or 2 in early on and settle into the match.
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Pickford worries me. He erratic at the best of times but he doesn't look confident here to me either.
Except it's not though, is it? We're owned by Americans, coached by Portuguese, captained by an Ecuadorian & our best player is a Spaniard. I love that United have worldwide support, and those fans are under no obligation to care about the England national team.
Yeah, half the country are racist xenophobes right! Everyone who wanted out of the EU hates foreigners!! Am I doing this right?
So do we know if Hamez will be playing for Gollumbia or not?
Yeah, he can stop shots - which is good, just hope he can keep a cool head and the right decisions about when and if to come out to snuff out a chance.
Redcafe through the ages.
Also, thank you whoever made the spelling of Colombia that bit clearer!
Great question, I’m wondering about this, too. Be lovely if we have a Colombian on here who’s up to speed with all the local news.