This is the key question. His availability or not is something which will completely change the dimension of this game. England will be relieved if he doesn't make it.
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“David Moyes has leapt to England goalkeeper Jordan Pickford's defence, after he was criticised over Adnan Januzaj's goal.”
The kiss of death.
The kiss of death.
“David Moyes has leapt to England goalkeeper Jordan Pickford's defence, after he was criticised over Adnan Januzaj's goal.”
The kiss of death.
I thought he should have done better tbh. He does full dives at shots that are going clearly wide too. Did I mention that he worries me?
El tiempo (one of Colombia's biggest papers) is reporting that they will know today about the extent of his injury and whether he may be able to play or not.
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I'm still worried about how nonclinical the team is outside of Kane, we still have only scored 2 goals in open play. If players like Sterling can't bury their chances then we need to have Kane on the end of our moves. The build up is quite good and the team doesn't have a problem creating chances but if England are to progress then number of chances become fewer against better opposition and we really can't have Sterling missing sitters.
Yeah we have a shit record in major tournaments of late, but this remind me of Jose football heritage nonsense. Of course we can lose, but just cause we've not been very goof doesn't mean Colo
And it wouldn't surprise me if the Swedish and Swiss and in the same boat.
The opposite of clever is stupid.
Do English commentators say 'Hamez' too?
Usually yeah. One of the few times they'll make an effort to pronounce it the non-English way. Is that not the correct way to say it?
Oh, you mean commentators only say 'Hamez'?? I'll have to keep my ear open during the next match but in my mind they tend to pronounce his full name.
Massive loss if true. Big bonus for us.
James won't be playing against England due to muscular fatigue in his right leg according to reports in Colombia.
Edit: not all reports rule him out for England. But it's not looking great.
Edit: not all reports rule him out for England. But it's not looking great.
Even without James Colombia are very good. They'll be a bit more defensive which could help them in a lot of ways against a team like England.
England favourites obviously if James misses out.
If Kane gets his finger out, it should be enough.
If Kane gets his finger out, it should be enough.
The Netherlands have achieved a lot considering their much smaller population and accessibility to resources set aside for football compared to England. They have qualified to less world cups and the same number of Euros but how did they actually fare? Lets compare their performances at the biggest stages shall we?
England
-Reached 17 world cups and have won it once, finishing fourth in 1990. They have the distinction of being involved in more 0-0s at the world cup than any other team.
-Reached 9 Euros, finishing 3rd in 1968 and reaching the semis in 1996
-At the world cup to date England have played 64 matches, won 28 (43.75% wins) , drawn 20 and lost 16. They have scored 85 and conceded 57
- At the Euros they have played 31 games, won 10 (32.25% wins) drawn 11 and lost 10. They scored 40 and conceded 35
The Netherlands
- The Netherlands have reached 10 world cups, never won it but have reached three finals (latest in 2010) and they finished third in 2014 and fourth in 1998.
- Reached 9 Euros winning it in 1988, finishing third in 1976 and reaching the semifinals in 1992
- At the world cup the Netherlands have played 50 matches, won 27 (54% wins), drawn 12 and lost 11. They have scored 86 and conceded 48
- At the Euros they have played 35 games, won 17 (48.57% wins), drawn 8 and lost 10. They scored 57 and conceded 37
England may have won the world cup in 1966 but the Dutch have had better results at major tournaments in less games overall.
Style of play
There's no taking away the contributions the Dutch have made to football in this respect. Total football is probably the greatest gift a single country has given to the world of football alongside Brazil's 'Joga bonito'. Tiki-taka has its roots in total football and whether you liked it or not it revolutionized the game. Cryuff's management template at Barcelona was a catalyst for their modern success. Gurdiola is a student of this. They called them the Dutch masters or a reason. Dutch managers like Luis Van Gaal, Dick Advocatt, Guus Hiddink and the great Rinus Michels have outdone their English contemporaries.
Iconic players
I'll just name 25 great players from each country:
-Van Der Saar, Ed de Goey, Jap Staam, Ruud Krol, Frank De Boer, Ronald Koeman, Frank Rijkaard, Ruud Gullit, Marc Overmars, Johan Cryuff, Dennis Bergkamp, Ruud Van Nistelrooy. Marco Van Basten, Robbie Van Persie, Edgar Davids, Clarence Seedorf, Patrick Kluivert, Wesley Sneijder. Giovanni van Bronckhorst, Arjen Robben, Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, Michael Rizieger, Danny Blind, Phillip Cocu, Mark Van Bommel
-Peter Shilton, Gordon Banks, Ashley Cole, Tony Adams, Bobby Moore, Stuart Pearce, John Terry, Rio Ferdinand, Glen Hoddle, John Barnes, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Bryan Robson, Bobby Charlton, Ray Wilkins, Gary Neville, David Beckham, Kevin Keegan, Paul Gascoigne, Jimmy Greaves, Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer, Wayne Rooney, Michael Owen, Geoff Hurst,
The Dutch have the edge for me in terms of players who have performed on the biggest of stages
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Pound for pound Holland have been better for sure and have influenced modern football more but winning the World Cup trumps everything they've achieved. I wouldn't swap their international history for ours. That's my personal opinion.
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Klaas-Jan Huntelaar! You really soiled yourself there lad.
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Klaas-Jan Huntelaar! You really soiled yourself there lad.
It would be nice if the bitterness towards England left this thread as it is distracting from reasonable discussion.
I have met no English person who actually thinks they'll win the World cup. In fact most I know didn't think England would get past the group stage and most English would not be surprised if England lose vs. Colombia. It would be chalked down to a case of "typical England", despite the UK media meltdown.
I have also yet to see examples, here or elsewhere, of 'typical' English arrogance. Cautious optimism =/= arrogance. Neither does pointing out that Sweden/Switzerland is an objectively preferable potential final 8 encounter than Brazil. Brazil is better than England in almost every area of the pitch. Sweden and Switzerland are not necessarily.
English supporters are amongst the most self-deprecating and self critical bunch, so for those aghast and irritated that (God forbid) the team isn't being slagged off by it's own support, things will revert back to their miserable norm when England goes out in the round of 16 or 8. If, somehow, fate conspires to grant England a semi-final spot, that will be about as good as one could hope. And I wouldn't begrudge anyone being happy about that.
I have met no English person who actually thinks they'll win the World cup. In fact most I know didn't think England would get past the group stage and most English would not be surprised if England lose vs. Colombia. It would be chalked down to a case of "typical England", despite the UK media meltdown.
I have also yet to see examples, here or elsewhere, of 'typical' English arrogance. Cautious optimism =/= arrogance. Neither does pointing out that Sweden/Switzerland is an objectively preferable potential final 8 encounter than Brazil. Brazil is better than England in almost every area of the pitch. Sweden and Switzerland are not necessarily.
English supporters are amongst the most self-deprecating and self critical bunch, so for those aghast and irritated that (God forbid) the team isn't being slagged off by it's own support, things will revert back to their miserable norm when England goes out in the round of 16 or 8. If, somehow, fate conspires to grant England a semi-final spot, that will be about as good as one could hope. And I wouldn't begrudge anyone being happy about that.
It is not arrogance from you English lot imho, it is not considering your team is not world beaters indeed. The fact that Colombia and several others in this tournament are not as well, does not mean you are good enough to start a knockout game as favourites against any of them.
Fair enough. About Hunterlaar, that's just one player, I could leave him out and the other Dutch players would still more than compensate don't you think? Huntelaar is the second leading goal scorer for the Netherlands NT after Van Persie. Only four English players have scored more for their country and only two of those have better goals to games ratios- Rooney, Charlton, Lineker and Greaves (Lineker and Greaves have the better ratios). Huntelaar is underrated as a goalscorer. Out of both sets of players though, who do you give the edge to? Honestly. To be fair, I probably shoul'dve put Scholes in there over Wilkins but its close and I feel Wilkins was more important to England than Scholes was- ever under the shadow of Gerrard and Lampard.
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The people I know who think England will win the World Cup are the type of football fans that only really watch football every two years when England are in a major tournament.
Hello everyone! A Colombian United fan here! Been loving United since 1999 when I had the pleasure of living in your county and love the treble winning season!
Now, about Colombia vs. England.
1. My country name is ColOmbia, not Columbia. It’s offensive when you call us columbia.
2. About James injury: according to “El Tiempo” our biggest newspaper, and to our Football Federarion, James only have muscular fatigue. It’s pretty possible that he starts the match.
3. I see both teams evenly matched, with a slight advantage to England, due to history and experience + Kane. I’ll say it’s 60/40 in englands’ favor.
4. That being said, this English team isn’t as powerful as the one in 2002, and most people in Colombia, including fans, media and experts, believe we can win this match. England’s GK and defense is shambles.
5. I think and hope we defeat you:
James, Quintero, Cuadrado and Falcao can break your defense (which is lackluster), and Pickford is a calamity waiting to happen.
On midfield we have Sánchez and Uribe who can break Lingard’s and Sterling attacks and keep Kane cut from service.
At defense we have Sanchez, who knows Kane from Tottenham and Mina that is like a young Sergio Ramos: strong and defense with the habit of scoring awesome headers. Arias at right back is an attacking threat while being good at defense... Our left back is what worries me: sadly Fabra was injured before WC.
Our GK Ospina is certainly better than Pickford, a solid GK without being one of the best. Think of him as Romero.
6. In Colombia we preferred to face England than Belgium. While both are good teams, Belgium is in superlative form.
7. Whoever wins this match, will reach semis. Either Colombia or England can defeat Sweden or Switzerland.
8. With all due respect: England have not being tested. Your B team lost to Belgium’s B team; And you defeated Tunisia and Panama. Panama which is coached by Bolillo Gomez, a Colombian coach which’s so dreadful that he makes Moyes looks like SAF! The best thing that happened to Colombia is that Gomez was fired and Pekerman was hired. Although Colombia hasn’t face a team of England’s pedigree so far this WC.
9. I normally root for England due to United; but country comes first! Come on COLOMBIA!
Now, about Colombia vs. England.
1. My country name is ColOmbia, not Columbia. It’s offensive when you call us columbia.
2. About James injury: according to “El Tiempo” our biggest newspaper, and to our Football Federarion, James only have muscular fatigue. It’s pretty possible that he starts the match.
3. I see both teams evenly matched, with a slight advantage to England, due to history and experience + Kane. I’ll say it’s 60/40 in englands’ favor.
4. That being said, this English team isn’t as powerful as the one in 2002, and most people in Colombia, including fans, media and experts, believe we can win this match. England’s GK and defense is shambles.
5. I think and hope we defeat you:
James, Quintero, Cuadrado and Falcao can break your defense (which is lackluster), and Pickford is a calamity waiting to happen.
On midfield we have Sánchez and Uribe who can break Lingard’s and Sterling attacks and keep Kane cut from service.
At defense we have Sanchez, who knows Kane from Tottenham and Mina that is like a young Sergio Ramos: strong and defense with the habit of scoring awesome headers. Arias at right back is an attacking threat while being good at defense... Our left back is what worries me: sadly Fabra was injured before WC.
Our GK Ospina is certainly better than Pickford, a solid GK without being one of the best. Think of him as Romero.
6. In Colombia we preferred to face England than Belgium. While both are good teams, Belgium is in superlative form.
7. Whoever wins this match, will reach semis. Either Colombia or England can defeat Sweden or Switzerland.
8. With all due respect: England have not being tested. Your B team lost to Belgium’s B team; And you defeated Tunisia and Panama. Panama which is coached by Bolillo Gomez, a Colombian coach which’s so dreadful that he makes Moyes looks like SAF! The best thing that happened to Colombia is that Gomez was fired and Pekerman was hired. Although Colombia hasn’t face a team of England’s pedigree so far this WC.
9. I normally root for England due to United; but country comes first! Come on COLOMBIA!
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I'd probably give Holland a slight edge from the list you produced but not by much. I don't have the enthusiasm on this debate to go comparing records though. I have great respect for the Dutch contribution to the game. They, along with Uruguay, are the two great overachievers in the international game whereas England have underachieved relative to resources.
To draw a comparison for my original point, United's lost CL finals in 09 & 11 to Barca hold no fond memories for me. Yes, you can look back and say we were the second best club side in the world at that time but for me, in emotional terms, you are either first or last in football. Will I look back at the United's 2017/18 season with any fondness? The answer is no.
Good post. I went into details for the benefit of @17 Van der Gouw to explain my position. Its just my opinion that the Dutch have achieved or contributed more to the game. England's triumph was sweet im sure for those who were there to see and partake in it and you should be proud of that history even if (assuming here) you didn't live it. Greatness is hard to replicate as evidenced by the failures of previous defending world cup champions. Netherlands failed three times but just getting there is not easy. England haven't even played in another semi final at the WC since 1990. Losing those two CLs to Barcelona was painful but those were also some of the best squads United ever had. We actually went into European competition knowing only one team could probably stop us, Barcelona. Now we can't even get past Sevilla.
I thinks its arguable that they have contributed more to the game as a whole than England. After all England refined sports based around kicking a ball around the pitch into Association football, the game the World plays today. The reason the world plays it is because Englishmen took it around the world, helping to found some of the world's most iconic clubs, including Barcelona, AC Milan and Corinthians, along the way. England is also home to the world's most popular domestic league, once again there are more Premier League players at the World Cup than from any other league. I would say that England are as significant as any nation in history when it comes to overall contribution to the game.
I can't disagree with any of that. Many African and Asian clubs were also founded by Englishmen
Days away from an exciting match. I still haven't met anybody I would consider to be arrogant; who also thinks England will win the World Cup. Most people I know are now quite convinced we'll get pumped by Colombia, albeit we certainly have a good chance.
Have the non-English folk (particularly that psychic lot that have never stepped foot in the country) managed to meet any fictional people that are mightily confident yet?
Have the non-English folk (particularly that psychic lot that have never stepped foot in the country) managed to meet any fictional people that are mightily confident yet?
I’m Welsh and live in Wales. My English mates tend to be very pessimistic whenever an international tournament comes around, even when they had a good team!
If you come on an English forum and slag off England, you will come across as a troll.
How can you cheer the English players for Utd, then hope they mess up when playing for England? It's uncouth.
How can you cheer the English players for Utd, then hope they mess up when playing for England? It's uncouth.
I'm very confident England can and perhaps will beat Colombia,
The likes of Kane, Alli, Lingard and Sterling can easily be too much for them, whilst I think the defence has become underrated over the past few matches.
I'd be much more worried about Sweeden/Switzerland in the quarters than I would Colombia, if we can't beat them then I'll be disappointed.
The likes of Kane, Alli, Lingard and Sterling can easily be too much for them, whilst I think the defence has become underrated over the past few matches.
I'd be much more worried about Sweeden/Switzerland in the quarters than I would Colombia, if we can't beat them then I'll be disappointed.
You would think so. But it does seem to me that it's often the same posters who are extra keen to slag off our english players like Lingard and Rashford and drag them down at any opportunity. Comes across as odd to support an English club but seem to have a particular venom for English players, seemingly actively wanting them to fail.
But yeah foreign supporters who hate the English component of an English team. I'm finding it hard to come up with a more apt metaphor than 'parasite'.
Jesus get off your high horse.
Isn't this an Irish based forum as well?
Its ridiculous that you have a league full of foreign players then wonder why non England fans follow your league...its not for the love of all things tea and scones.
One does not lead to the other. There's many reasons not to like England, from your hooligan element to your over the top media over the years.
There's many reasons that doesn't automatically make you a parasite.
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Call me arrogant but not getting to the semi finals will be hugely disappointing. I don't think it's too much to ask to beat two of Colombia, Sweden and Switzerland. We should be favourites against all three.
This really should be England’s year.. it’s within their grasp. They’ll be kicking themselves if they don’t make the final
Sorry to correct you but it’s an Irish owned forum
Think we'll do a Liverpool. Modestly fluke our way to the semi's/final and then lose agonisingly when hopes are at their highest.
Is it an Irish based club? erm...