Neymar Jr | PSG | 2017/2018 performances

oneniltothearsenal said:
Where do you rate Neymar exaggerating a foot stamp compared to historic incidents of shame:

Maradona/Henry/Suarez Handballs, Luis Suarez biting an opponent, Eric Cantona assaulting a spectator, Portugal-Holland 2006 match, Germany-Austria intentional draw 1982, Di Canio's fascist salute to fans, numerous banana incidents, Zidane headbutt ?
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It wasn't a stamp, he stepped on his shin guard for feck sake.
Football physics hard at work, try that in real life and you'll have the victim stand straight up and ask you what the feck do you think you're doing.
Football physics is different though, for whatever reason.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I can take a little violence in my sports and a sneaky handball is far less embarrassing than Neymar's antics. In order, I'd go with overt fascism/racism then Neymar/Rivaldo then the rest of them.

Of course, the fact there are a bunch of other reasons to be ashamed of being a football fan doesn't make Neymar any less despicable, does it?

And it's not just that one incident either.

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I mean, come on, the absolute fecking state of this...
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He is a complete embarrassment no doubt about it.
 
While struggling for form and rolling on the pitch after any foul...

 
Pogue Mahone said:
I can take a little violence in my sports and a sneaky handball is far less embarrassing than Neymar's antics. In order, I'd go with overt fascism/racism then Neymar/Rivaldo then the rest of them.

Of course, the fact there are a bunch of other reasons to be ashamed of being a football fan doesn't make Neymar any less despicable, does it?

And it's not just that one incident either.

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I mean, come on, the absolute fecking state of this...
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:lol: at that propaganda GIF. Loop the same roll from 2 different angles to make it look twice as long as it is but conveniently edit out the tackle.

As for the bolded part, state of this thread as a wise man once said...
 
JPRouve said:
The state of this thread, Neymar is irritating nothing more. There are people in your neighborhood that are criminals and that beat their spouses and children among other things. As far as I know Neymar is none of these things.
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The lengths people go to to defend this. Neymar is not a criminal who beats his kids so we should be happy when he rolls around and acts like he was shot when someones tackles him.

The diving he does is pathetic and ruins the game. Simple as that
 
17Larsson said:
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The lengths people go to to defend this. Neymar is not a criminal who beats his kids so we should be happy when he rolls around and acts like he was shot when someones tackles him.

The diving he does is pathetic and ruins the game. Simple as that
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Who is defending Neymar's diving? That particular point was about Hellohello post.
 
BBRBB said:
:lol: at that propaganda GIF. Loop the same roll from 2 different angles to make it look twice as long as it is but conveniently edit out the tackle.

As for the bolded part, state of this thread as a wise man once said...
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That was the best gif I could find. I remember the incident. The gif actually ends too soon. There were at least a couple more roles for good measure. It’s so fecking embarrassing to watch. Don’t you feel even a teeny bit embarrassed defending it?
 
The state of this guy.... Does he not know there are cameras everywhere? Why do you need to embarrass yourself like this? The Mexican player didn't even stamp on him. He simply stepped on his foot. There's absolutely nothing in that which is why not even a yellow card was given.
 
At the last World Cup, people hit him so hard and often he ended up with a broken back. Don't condone diving but if the referees are not going to protect him, then he has to find a way to stop players persistently fouling him.

Now, a defender would think twice about being cheeky with Neymar because you know he will make any sort of contact obvious. That moment's hesitation may even allow Neymar the time to fire off a shot or two where he would otherwise be fouled. It's all gamesmanship.
 
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I think the ref should have insisted on a substitution yesterday. A player just after suffering such a traumatic level of agony has no business being on a football pitch. The referee should tell the coach he wants the player substituted so he can receive the obviously necessary checks at a hospital.

Would teach the little shit not to prance about like such a clown ever again.
 
It will probably never happen, but I would love it if referees were allowed to book players for play-acting similar to what Neymar did yesterday. A retrospective ban would also work. The logic would be the same as with diving - you are deliberately trying to deceive the referee to gain an advantage (i.e. yellow/red card to the opponent).

Obviously it is impossible to prove how much pain players are in, but in some cases players are just plainly not hit. Suarez, for example, had two or three situations against Portugal where he grabbed the back of his head without actually being hit. Really annoying.
 
Mike Smalling said:
It will probably never happen, but I would love it if referees were allowed to book players for play-acting similar to what Neymar did yesterday. A retrospective ban would also work. The logic would be the same as with diving - you are deliberately trying to deceive the referee to gain an advantage (i.e. yellow/red card to the opponent).

Obviously it is impossible to prove how much pain players are in, but in some cases players are just plainly not hit. Suarez, for example, had two or three situations against Portugal where he grabbed the back of his head without actually being hit. Really annoying.
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That's why the substitution idea works. If they're actually hurt it's good to get them off and if they're not, then good enough for the gobshite.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That was the best gif I could find. I remember the incident. The gif actually ends too soon. There were at least a couple more roles for good measure. It’s so fecking embarrassing to watch. Don’t you feel even a teeny bit embarrassed defending it?
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I don't particularly like it but these kind of attitudes are now deeply ingrained in the football metagame, and I dislike the thuggish cnuts much more. Almost half the players are doing it regularly, Neymar more than most because he is not shying away from contact and actively going for duels, provoking more situations.

This board is getting way over the top between the numerous wishes of injury and various expressions of hate.
 
I have no wish for Neymar to be injured or anything of that sort, but there's some serious re-writing of history going on in here regarding his 2014 World Cup. I might have missed an important detail, but the broken back happened when one of the Colombia players challenged for a header and kneed Neymar in the back in the process, and it was one of those freak injuries where he just got hit in the wrong place at the wrong time. I remember watching it and thinking there was no way the Colombia player had intentionally targeted Neymar's back - players challenge for headers all the time and often come crashing into each other.

Don't misunderstand me - Neymar is definitely not spared from hard challenges or foul play. But people make it out as though he's been consistently targeted by hitmen every time he steps on the pitch.
 
BBRBB said:
This board is getting way over the top between the numerous wishes of injury and various expressions of hate.
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You can always report the posts. Posts wishing injury are usually dealt well by mods.
 
Kearnkoff69 said:
I have no wish for Neymar to be injured or anything of that sort, but there's some serious re-writing of history going on in here regarding his 2014 World Cup. I might have missed an important detail, but the broken back happened when one of the Colombia players challenged for a header and kneed Neymar in the back in the process, and it was one of those freak injuries where he just got hit in the wrong place at the wrong time. I remember watching it and thinking there was no way the Colombia player had intentionally targeted Neymar's back - players challenge for headers all the time and often come crashing into each other.

Don't misunderstand me - Neymar is definitely not spared from hard challenges or foul play. But people make it out as though he's been consistently targeted by hitmen every time he steps on the pitch.
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He raised his knee into his back, it was pretty obvious.

 
Neymar got absolutely tonked in last WC. Probably was one of the most fouled player. He is simply making it difficult for the people to do the same in this WC.
Yes, he is obviously faking it, but wishing injury on him is ridiculous. Not surprising though. Brazil haters, Barca fans, oil money haters, apart from the theatrics, the list of things Neymar is associated with is too long.
 
Adam-Utd said:
He raised his knee into his back, it was pretty obvious.

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Thanks for the video. I couldn't find it anywhere (taken down due to copyright issues?). He does raise his knee, you're right. As I said, though, it's not a Neymar-specific thing. Defenders perpetrate all sorts of foul play on challenges for headers all the time, regardless of the player. It's statements like this:

spiriticon said:
At the last World Cup, people hit him so hard and often he ended up with a broken back.
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That provoked my comment. Statements like that imply that there was some sort of purposeful targeting of Neymar with the intent to seriously injure (i.e. break his back). That's just false. He gets fouled a lot, but James got the crap kicked out of him the whole tournament (and during that Brazil game) as well. He's not the only star to get victimized, and I don't believe that most players (some off-the-ball foul play aside) hit him with the intent to injure. Football is competitive and opposition players probably dislike him a fair bit, but most footballers don't wish injury upon their peers.
 
BBRBB said:
I don't particularly like it but these kind of attitudes are now deeply ingrained in the football metagame, and I dislike the thuggish cnuts much more. Almost half the players are doing it regularly, Neymar more than most because he is not shying away from contact and actively going for duels, provoking more situations.

This board is getting way over the top between the numerous wishes of injury and various expressions of hate.
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It is also getting OTT with stupid shit like that. It goes both ways.
Ecstatic said:
Some of you are like those who say 'Hey, this woman has been raped: fully deserved because she was provocative'...

Sorry, I haven't found better metaphor to rephrase some posts
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kouroux said:
It is also getting OTT with stupid shit like that. It goes both ways.
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I hate the rape metaphors. There are hundred of other metaphors we could use.
My colleague used to say "X team was raped by Y" whenever there was a big result. I hated it.
 
I wonder what was the bigger crime. The guy stepping on Neymar for no reason when he is off the pitch or Neymars reaction?

Reason I am asking is, everybody is angered by Neymars reaction but the actual thing that provoked the reaction is being overlooked as if it was justified. On BBC last night, the difference between Klinsman and Sheerers reactions to that incident was amazing. Sheerer was just angry at Neymar and refuses to even discuss the other guys role in the incident.
 
BBRBB said:
OK but it's hundreds of posters vs a couple. One post doesn't make a circlejerk.
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Stop lying, hundreds of posters aren't calling for Neymar to be injured.

RedDevil@84 said:
I hate the rape metaphors. There are hundred of other metaphors we could use.
My colleague used to say "X team was raped by Y" whenever there was a big result. I hated it.
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For me it was the whole "I couldn't find a better metaphor". I mean wtf ?
 
RedStarUnited said:
I wonder what was the bigger crime. The guy stepping on Neymar for no reason when he is off the pitch or Neymars reaction?

Reason I am asking is, everybody is angered by Neymars reaction but the actual thing that provoked the reaction is being overlooked as if it was justified. On BBC last night, the difference between Klinsman and Sheerers reactions to that incident was amazing. Sheerer was just angry at Neymar and refuses to even discuss the other guys role in the incident.
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I’d say the two crimes are more or less equivalent. You could argue that the “stamp” wasn’t going to affect the result while Neymar’s histrionics were an effort to reduce Mexico to ten men but meh, they’re both similarly mean-spirited. People just get more annoyed about drama, screaming and histrionics than they do about one player trying to hurt another. Because the former is more embarrassing than the latter. And that’s fair enough.
 
kouroux said:
Stop lying, hundreds of posters aren't calling for Neymar to be injured.
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Thanks for calling me a liar.

Hundreds are calling him a cnut, the worst in football, openly expeessing their hate, dismissing his ability any time he misses something, cringing in disappointment everytime he does something good. Neymar hate is driving the narratives in every Brazil WC thread.

Don't you think it's a bit disproportionate for rolling on the floor more than average?
 
BBRBB said:
Thanks for calling me a liar.

Hundreds are calling him a cnut, the worst in football, openly expeessing their hate, dismissing his ability any time he misses something, cringing in disappointment everytime he does something good. Neymar hate is driving the narratives in every Brazil WC thread.

Don't you think it's a bit disproportionate for rolling on the floor more than average?
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But you did lie indeed if you said "hundreds of posters" .
" Calling him a cnut, the worst in football"or whatever has feck all to do with wishing injury on him, this is the kinda victimization that help paint a better image to Neymar.
As far as I'm concerned it's a little disproportionate but the criticism doesn't appear from out of nowhere, your boy is clearly a prima donna who exagerates most physical contacts. It's a bit of a shame when you consider his talent
 
BBRBB said:
Thanks for calling me a liar.

Hundreds are calling him a cnut, the worst in football, openly expeessing their hate, dismissing his ability any time he misses something, cringing in disappointment everytime he does something good. Neymar hate is driving the narratives in every Brazil WC thread.

Don't you think it's a bit disproportionate for rolling on the floor more than average?
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Nope. Your response is disproportionate. Hundreds? What, on here or in the world?

Great player but his behaviour is embarrassing.
 
kouroux said:
But you did lie indeed if you said "hundreds of posters" .
" Calling him a cnut, the worst in football"or whatever has feck all to do with wishing injury on him, this is the kinda victimization that help paint a better image to Neymar.
As far as I'm concerned it's a little disproportionate but the criticism doesn't appear from out of nowhere, your boy is clearly a prima donna who exagerates most physical contacts. It's a bit of a shame when you consider his talent
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And what about I call you a liar for claiming I said hundreds were wishing him injury?
No, you just misread or saw what you wanted to see, it happens to the best.

No hard feelings, I forgive you but less unwarranted ad hominem attacks in the future please.
 
RedStarUnited said:
I wonder what was the bigger crime. The guy stepping on Neymar for no reason when he is off the pitch or Neymars reaction?

Reason I am asking is, everybody is angered by Neymars reaction but the actual thing that provoked the reaction is being overlooked as if it was justified. On BBC last night, the difference between Klinsman and Sheerers reactions to that incident was amazing. Sheerer was just angry at Neymar and refuses to even discuss the other guys role in the incident.
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Because what happened to Neymar wasn't that bad. It wasn't even a stamp. He touched Neymars shin with his boot. It's uncalled for but it's not shocking behaviour or really worthy of discussion.
 
BBRBB said:
And what about I call you a liar for claiming I said hundreds were wishing him injury?
No, you just misread or saw what you wanted to see, it happens to the best.

No hard feelings, I forgive you but less unwarranted ad hominem attacks in the future please.
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You're not nearly as clever as you think are :lol:

BBRBB said:
I don't particularly like it but these kind of attitudes are now deeply ingrained in the football metagame, and I dislike the thuggish cnuts much more. Almost half the players are doing it regularly, Neymar more than most because he is not shying away from contact and actively going for duels, provoking more situations.

This board is getting way over the top between the numerous wishes of injury and various expressions of hate.
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And when said that someone equated Neymar's behavior to a rape victim, this is what you said.
BBRBB said:
OK but it's hundreds of posters vs a couple. One post doesn't make a circlejerk.
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So you don't need to have said it clearly to just have it meant it just as much. So yeah, defo a liar
 
@kouroux If you can get past being wrong on the internet you will easily see I wrote that the quantity of posts "wishing him injury" is "numerous" and the "hundreds" cover the "various expressions of hate".

Now cut it off, this has already been going off topic for too long and if you think this is worth further discussion (personnally I don't) go to PMs.
 
BBRBB said:
@kouroux If you can get past being wrong on the internet you will easily see I wrote that the quantity of posts "wishing him injury" is "numerous" and the "hundreds" cover the "various expressions of hate".

Now cut it off, this has already been going off topic for too long and if you think this is worth further discussion (personnally I don't) go to PMs.
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Just amused at the length some PSG supporters go to defend their player. From a terrible metaphor to imagining a lot of things. It is funny
 
BBRBB said:
@kouroux If you can get past being wrong on the internet you will easily see I wrote that the quantity of posts "wishing him injury" is "numerous" and the "hundreds" cover the "various expressions of hate".

Now cut it off, this has already been going off topic for too long and if you think this is worth further discussion (personnally I don't) go to PMs.
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Your posts are almost as embarrassing as Neymar's dives
 
Kearnkoff69 said:
That provoked my comment. Statements like that imply that there was some sort of purposeful targeting of Neymar with the intent to seriously injure (i.e. break his back). That's just false. He gets fouled a lot, but James got the crap kicked out of him the whole tournament (and during that Brazil game) as well. He's not the only star to get victimized, and I don't believe that most players (some off-the-ball foul play aside) hit him with the intent to injure. Football is competitive and opposition players probably dislike him a fair bit, but most footballers don't wish injury upon their peers.
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Hmmm yeeeeeah.. Maybe I'm a cynical bastard, but I happen to think there was definitely intent there. Maybe not to put him out of the whole World Cup, but certainly to put him out of the game. Neymar in an ambulance >> Neymar on the pitch you get what I mean? Let's also not forget he just got back from a real metatarsal injury, so maybe he really doesn't fancy putting up with foul play at the moment.

I agree that he needs to stop the theatrics cause it looks ridiculous, but the persistent fouling and targeting of him also needs to stop. It's a two way thing. Persisent fouling isn't a 'smart gameplan', it's flagrant cheating.
 
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