And can people please shut up about that fecking song, it's been done to death on here now and is getting even more annoying then the drunk twats signing it in the pub.
Let's all Laugh at England
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On the match thread last night, there were plenty. Many others in the previous days.
Don't think any one has actually said that, it's more to do with not understanding why British people, supporting Man United (an English club) were actively wanting England to fail and in the process branding England fans as arrogant for being optimistic and enjoying watching their national team for the first time in god knows how long.
Also there's the United players element. Cheering Croatia (no connection to united whatsoever) over England (with Rashford, Lingard, Young etc) to me makes no sense, especially when so many want France to win purely because of Pogba.
Demanding others support England, or just reacting badly to the ribbing? Demanding seems like a strong word, but then I wasn't there so I trust you to be fair.
If so, then yeah those guys are morons to put it mildly
Two notions that really annoy me and have been brought up by various posters:
1) Your place of birth/nationality determines the national team you have to support. Utter nonsense. No-one makes that argument when it comes to club football.
2) If you support a team from a certain country you also have support its national team. Nonsense again. If players from the team I support play for a national team I don't like, then I want them to fail miserably.
1) Your place of birth/nationality determines the national team you have to support. Utter nonsense. No-one makes that argument when it comes to club football.
2) If you support a team from a certain country you also have support its national team. Nonsense again. If players from the team I support play for a national team I don't like, then I want them to fail miserably.
Of course there was some irony in 'football's coming home' but if you think that people didn't also mean it I think you're either mistaken or being a little disingenuous.
I haven't much liked English football culture in the past but this team was different - at the same time I was dreading what the Sun, the Daily Mail, the Daily Express etc and their readers would cook up for a final against France, especially in light of all the Brexit nonsense, so I was slightly relieved I didn't have to read that. As someone from a former UK colony I like a lot of things about England but I find it all a bit overbearing. Edit: as I do for South African teams.
I haven't much liked English football culture in the past but this team was different - at the same time I was dreading what the Sun, the Daily Mail, the Daily Express etc and their readers would cook up for a final against France, especially in light of all the Brexit nonsense, so I was slightly relieved I didn't have to read that. As someone from a former UK colony I like a lot of things about England but I find it all a bit overbearing. Edit: as I do for South African teams.
Demanding others support England, or just reacting badly to the ribbing? Demanding seems like a strong word, but then I wasn't there so I trust you to be fair.
If so, then yeah those guys are morons to put it mildly
To be fair the poster apologized.
So it was one guy?
I'm pretty sure that others said the same thing, but it's not more than 3 or 4 posters.
The next World Cup is their year, la.
Don’t get your first point - why bother with international football if you just pick some random team to support? Unless you are referring to having some favourite second team.
There were literally posts like 'If you're not a Croatian and don't support England tonight, then you're not a true United fan'. That is demanding people from other nationalities to support England.Demanding others support England, or just reacting badly to the ribbing? Demanding seems like a strong word, but then I wasn't there so I trust you to be fair.
If so, then yeah those guys are morons to put it mildly
Go in the thread from last night (even in this one after the match) and you'll see those posts.
About bold point, I really disagree with you. I mean, if you weren't Englishmen, should you have supported England or Belgium in a potential final, with both teams having 2 starters coming from United? If you like Lukaku more (the only player who is very important for United from all of them), Belgium I guess. Or just support whatever team you like which is what most people do.
3 or 4 (I think more) were more aggressive, and there were plenty of others who were claiming all along how it is impossible for them to understand how you can root against England if you're a United fan. Not exactly the same, but passive-aggressiveness pisses me even more than just being a cnut.
Wait, the none of the English fans singing 'its coming home' actually meant it and it was all tongue in cheek? I feel bad for you guys but sorry thats a flat out lie.
Its a song written over 20 years ago by a couple of comedians largely about the England national team always coming up short, of course its a piss take. If you don't understand that after being told repeatedly over the last month then thats on you. Sure the odd dick head might have been saying it in all seriousness but 99% off fans were taking the piss.
As to how anyone could accuse english fans of being arrogant well thats just beyond me, every single person expected us to fail miserably at this world cup and if you had seriously said they would have got as far as the semi-final weeks ago you would have been laughed at.
To be fair it was just after getting kocked out of a World Cup semi final, emotions running high. Imagine getting that close and then minutes after to get laughed at by fellow United fans, it's tough to take. Some people say stupid shit in those situation. I bet some of these posters are kids too who won't understand why Irish lads are laughing. Sure people will think this is a cop out but I think some just aren't educated on that issue.
Exactly. How many more times does it need to be said.
There could be countries with cultures and histories people are especially interested in.
What's been proven this world cup is, no matter how many times English people will explain things in a very rational and calm manner, it makes feck all difference. If people want to laugh and mock, look like idiots in the process, they'll do just that.
It doesn't have to be a random team. I usually have a few favourites I want to do well, just not the one I, by chance, was born in. Why should it be different to club football. Nationality is such an odd reason to me to support athletes (in any sport, not just football).
When I saw 'Let's all laugh at (insert country name)' threads here, I know England one will be messy.
Yeah that’s weird. I think we all accept that it’s ok to support a club side that’s not from your home town (although that is, admittedly, not ideal - an opinion that might get me lynched on the caf) but we’re jumping the shark if people can pick and choose a primary international team to support.
I think with club football its different due to the massive global reach. But I can't really fathom just choosing an international team. Would feel very hollow.
Don't actually like the song, prefer World in Motion.
Depends where you are from I guess. If you live on a small island in the Caribbean, I can see you rooting for a bigger South American / European team, as your own team probably will never make it to a World Cup.
It's not that different to most threads apart from being a bit bigger. You can't say 'it was all a bit of fun' and then take the piss-taking seriously. If people didn't really mean what they said in fun then it's reasonable to think that people probably don't really mean they dislike England?
Hopefully this team should improve if it is done right.
It's quite obvious to see who is just having a laugh and joke, thats cool to me, and then who seem to genuinely have a deep rooted dislike for England and the English, and its clear there's plenty on here.
Yeah. Could see this coming a mile off. Ah well, give it out got to be able to take it.
Bingo
Fair enough, and people have all sorts of reasons for supporting who they do, at club and international level. The idea of unity within the United Kingdom is basically gone, though personally I would always cheer Ireland, Scotland or Wales. I can understand people being neutral but it's the active dislike that comes across as bitter.
To those United fans who rejoiced in England going out, think about how gutted Sir Bobby will have been last night.
Ireland aren't in the UK m8.
Football is more enjoyable if you support some team and root against some other team. People who come from countries which don't qualify, have to get some team to support.
Personally, I always liked Argentina and Holland cause the first time I remember watching football was WC1998 and really liked Batistuta, De Boer and Kluivert. Until last World Cup I was rooting for those teams. In this, I found Argentina were unlikeable, so chose Croatia (because small country, great relations with my country despite being neighbors) and Switzerland (cause small country, I am living there, half of team are Albanians anyway) this time. It is just a bit boring to watch football when you're indifferent for all teams.
People feel gutted all the time when their country loses. Tough luck!
He is also not my grandpa!
So your point is? Is every United supporters be it foreigner or Englishmen should support England because of Sir Bobby?
So English folk don’t take the piss at all? Laugh at other clubs/nations when they lose football games? Sounds very serious altogether. No wonder the English are taking this result badly!
There was maybe 3 or 4 being weirdly passive aggressive about it. It was pretty funny because for all the talk of meltdowns they seemed to be the only ones really getting bent out of shape. Not that many of them, but they stood out when everyone else was more or less taking the banter on the chin.
I think most people know that for the most part the vast majority of English fans are being ironic. There is an element of arrogance in the English media though as you know and after a while it gets hard to separate it all. Especially for the rest of the UK when all our World Cup coverage comes in with an England slant on it as we get the same BBC and ITV coverage as you do.
I've talked to quite a few people that aren't really interested in football who were wanting England to go out because all they see is the smugness from the media, that song being sung and they think England fans are the small minority thuggish element that spent years ruining it for everyone.
It was a joke mate. I also disagree with the idea of other British countries being 'foreign' to England. Don't know where you are from but if you aren't British, theres no way you could be expected to support England imo.So your point is? Is every United supporters be it foreigner or Englishmen should support England because of Sir Bobby?
True.
It's fine having a laugh and all, but some comments have been a bit too strong to be classed as that.