I would hope nobody on here predicts Utd to win a game that we end up not winning next season.
It would be the height of arrogance and cockiness etc.
It would be the height of arrogance and cockiness etc.
Let's all Laugh at England
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I didn't interpret it as banter. You hit the nail on the head. At WC2014 England lost their first two matches and were out by the time their third group match against Costa Rica arrived. There was no sarcastic singing of "football's coming home" with banter in the match against Costa Rica. Similar to 2010. . . Don't recall "football's coming home" before or during Germany's defeat of England.
The "football's coming home" stuff this time was different. Why?
Because England got a very nice easy start to the tournament and, more importantly, major teams in their half of the draw (Argentina & Germany) were already out by the time England threw their game against Belgium. In other words the hysteria started taking off when a nice path to the final was revealed and . . . it became irritating to listen to.
As others have pointed out the "Football's coming home" has something about it which rubs other fans up the wrong way. The French invented the World Cup. . . How arrogant would we consider the French to be if they continuously bored the rest of the world with "World Cup's coming home" as they despatched the likes of Panama & Tunisia?
Football's coming home has a jingoistic, self-obsessed and cocky tone to it that certainly Croatia didn't like.
For prominent media in England to be now stating "Ah....it was all a bit of a laugh" is quite convenient considering England are now out.
Yeah because hating an entire nation of people is always reasonable.
You’ve quite clearly got an agenda mate. Every post is anti English. United fans sing the Wembley song in fa cup matches. Is this arrogance?
Very true but the line of "Football's coming home" has been separated from the rest of the lyrics and has come to mean something different to fans who are not English.
I'm going to a BBQ later where there will be a few English lads I know there. I won't be turning up sarcastically singing "Football's coming home" like a complete twat. . .
It's not anti English. I'm giving you views that people who are not English have regarding that particular tune.
A lot of people are twats too. It means nothing really.
So you have a different meaning, then use that meaning as a stick to beat English fans with? Makes total sense.
Not that I'm saying there aren't plenty of twats who've changed the meaning of the song themselves, of course there are. But it's still just a football song.
In my work everyone was singing 'Footballs not coming home....not coming home' with a laugh. Actually, there has been some pretty ugly anti-english comments in this thread, which considering they support an English team was quite a surprise. No one expects people to support England in the tournament, of course not, but it got quite nasty and certainly changed my opinion of the global support of United.
I don't have a stick to beat England beat. If you check on my posts I expressed delight for Southgate just after England beat Colombia on penalties and wished England all the best of luck moments prior to the Croatia match.
When people saw England fans wrecking an IKEA singing "It's coming home" or jumping on ambulances . . . . .I dunno.
The point isn't that England predicted they'd win.
It's that as they were making those predictions they were repeating a phrase over and over again that reinforced the idea that they indeed believed they could win. Then, having lost, they claimed said phrase was clearly said with 100% irony, as if the predictions and thoughts of victory that had accompanied it never existed.
It would be one thing if ye were saying "a lot of people meant it ironically" or even "most people meant it ironically". It's another if, like Lineker, you're saying that absolutely nobody believed it and the idea that even some might have is "nonsense".
I mean it's not like there's anything wrong with thinking you could win the world cup, or singing about it. You did have a relatively easy path to doing so after all. It would be stupid if you weren't dreaming big.
@RW2 is just making the same point as myself.
Everyone who’s crying about England been picked on and not liked are pointing to the song and what comes with it as “it’s irony it’s irony you just don’t get us, it’s self depreciating humour”. So ok, where was this irony when you were bombing out of tournaments? It just makes no sense.
I’ve got no problem with the song, I quite like it, I really like the tune, it’s been in my head all week, it’s just now hummed with ‘they’re going home, England’s going home’ lyrics. More apt.
International football and club football . . . . You're comparing apples with oranges.
No relevance whatsoever.
The IKEA incident was isolated and barely worthy of a mention, I voted no for Brexit (like 99% of British citizens) it went through anyway, Pies Morgan is one of the biggest cnuts on planet earth and I couldn't really mention Boris Johnson's haircut and keep a straight face at the same time.
The salty bitter tears are strong with this one.
It’s the first World Cup we’ve done well at in the social media age. I think it just caught on. I didn’t believe we would win it like many others. Once we got to the semi finals though we were only two games away so anything was possible, and people started to believe. It’s only a song though we’ll more than likely hear it in two years time again.
What are you going on about?
Why would the meaning of the song change just because we get knocked out and stop singing it? You are literally making up your own meaning for the song and then using that meaning to tell everyone else they are wrong for trying to tell you that the song is ironic.
There's nothing wrong with being annoyed at the twats constantly singing it and all that, then laughing at them when we do inevitably get knocked out every tournament, but at least make sense yourself.
You didn't actually address my post there.
One side is bitter, the other is salty
Agree entirely with this. Social media played a huge part this time in a way that it never has before.
As regards hearing it again. . . .
I think we can take it as a given that we'll be hearing it every time England start a tournament well.
Exactly that, you’ve just said it there. It’s the first wc you’ve done well at, it was sang in expectation and belief and getting carried away. That’s fair enough!
But it was not sung in irony so I’ve no idea why that keeps getting pushed.
Nothing salty with this post mate. The most bitter thing I’ve seen in football was that Henry handball against Ireland, and you lot campaigned that there should be 33 teams at the World Cup.
After the way England dispatched Sweden without breaking a sweat, I allowed myself to believe that the impossible could be made possible. Mind you, that euphoric moment was rather fleeting, as France look unbeatable this year.
If it was ironic you would expect it to pop up when England were abyssmal, not the moment England got a favourable draw and a real shot at reaching the final.
People like to laugh at others who get ahead of themselves and then crash out, so now the laugh at England. Claiming it was all irony after you've fallen on your nose just adds to the laughter.
People like to laugh at others who get ahead of themselves and then crash out, so now the laugh at England. Claiming it was all irony after you've fallen on your nose just adds to the laughter.
What are you going on about?
Why would the meaning of the song change just because we get knocked out and stop singing it? You are literally making up your own meaning for the song and then using that meaning to tell everyone else they are wrong for trying to tell you that the song is ironic.
There's nothing wrong with being annoyed at the twats constantly singing it and all that, then laughing at them when we do inevitably get knocked out every tournament, but at least make sense yourself.
You didn't actually address my post there.
One side is bitter, the other is salty
What are you actually going on about. I honestly had to read your first paragraph to even begin to try and understand what you meant, I still don’t, it hasn’t nothing to do with my post.English say it’s sung in irony? Yea? Why wait untill you get further in a competition to sing it if it’s only sung in irony? Simple question really.
Nothing salty with this post mate. The most bitter thing I’ve seen in football was that Henry handball against Ireland, and you lot campaigned that there should be 33 teams at the World Cup.
There was no campaign there. It was a stupid suggestion but certainly no campaign.
What are you going on about?
Why would the meaning of the song change just because we get knocked out and stop singing it? You are literally making up your own meaning for the song and then using that meaning to tell everyone else they are wrong for trying to tell you that the song is ironic.
There's nothing wrong with being annoyed at the twats constantly singing it and all that, then laughing at them when we do inevitably get knocked out every tournament, but at least make sense yourself.
You didn't actually address my post there.
One side is bitter, the other is salty
Come on, when Southgate was asked about is it coming home?, were they ironically asking him if England would be defeated Own your arrogance lamby, wear it like armor.
"Hold my beer whilst I attempt this triple somersault."
***Lands flat on face***
"Ah come on lads. . . It was all a bit of a laugh"
Lets all laugh was created almost for every big nation who bombed out in this WC. And we are all having good laugh of it including your precious Englishmen. Not sure why when its England turn you lot turn bitter and angry to it. Its a piss take and if you cant take one, its on you honestly. You cant expect to ridicule another nation but get angry when it yours. Everything was just banter at first but when Englishmen took it very seriously expect non-English mock you harder than before.
Come on, when Southgate was asked about is it coming home?, were they ironically asking him if England would be defeated Own your arrogance lamby, wear it like armor.
I've a lot of respect for Southgate. He comes across as a really decent bloke and is clearly an intelligent manager. He only went up in my estimation when he said that if England won the WC that he couldn't listen to "It's coming home" for the next 20 years.
Please direct me to a post from myself, or any other England fan for that matter, that appears both bitter and angry.
Nothing salty with this post mate. The most bitter thing I’ve seen in football was that Henry handball against Ireland, and you lot campaigned that there should be 33 teams at the World Cup.
I'd actually managed to forget about that genius suggestion. Thanks a bunch.
No, it's a very self-deprecating and subtle form of ironic humour which is simply above your capabilites.
Yeah i'm not that smart to understand that briliant form of humor.
It wasn't ironic it was sung in light hearted jest, i find it perplexing that people fail to understand this concept. To be arrogant requires confidence and if you think even a small majority of english people were confident of beating France rather than just having a chance than you're way off the mark.
We got to a semi-final we're more than happy with that even if we are gutted.
Come on, when Southgate was asked about is it coming home?, were they ironically asking him if England would be defeated Own your arrogance lamby, wear it like armor.
And again, we are talking about the song itself, or at least I have been. I've clearly said there's people taking that line and running with it. Besides, you know, journalists
But yeah, every English person is arrogant. Too right, since we are the best at most things. Football just happens to not be one of those things
Are there still actual Germans accusing others of arrogance too?
Now THAT is ironic
Now THAT is ironic
Are there still actual Germans accusing others of arrogance too?
Now THAT is ironic
I have no problem admitting that Germany was arrogant this world cup and completely fail to justify it with performances, hence I had no problem with the let's laugh about Germany thread.
It's not that hard to understand that most English poeple didn't see the title in their pockets for sure. Let me put it another way: if some Liverpool fan startet meme-ing "this is our year" after having an easy start to the season and leading the table he would probably get a new tag line on here and couldn't have a normal conversation for months. Because people see some belief in these hyperboles.
Believe it or not, the song isn't for non-english. If you fail to understand it, or choose to misinterpret it, then that's your problem. That doesn't make the English arrogant, it makes you misinformed.
The best part about laughing at England losing on Wednesday night is that we get an opportunity to laugh at them losing again today as well.
The issue is you take the lyrics 'it's coming home' far too literally. It's just a song that relates to the England national football team, and so will obviously be played when they're doing well. I don't think you'll find one English person who believed they were a sure bet to win the World Cup, which seems to be what everyone's issue is as it's what the song has been interpreted to imply. England were doing well, so the most relatable song to English football gets played a lot. Shocker.
Hmmmm, not really sure many English fans give a toss about today to be honest.......we've had our fun, time for the Premier league now....