Peterson, Harris, etc....

I'd be interested to hear this thread's point of view on this...

https://www.rte.ie/eile/brainstorm/2018/0702/975772-here-come-the-lobsters/

Entire article blah blah blah but
What Peterson is trying to do is make the individual feel more confident and ready to take on the world without addressing any of the issues that lead to the hopeless situation they find themselves in. The social and economic hierarchies that have developed in the west, in his view, are what they are. While not perfect, they are the best of all systems up to now and every attempt to change or even to tweak them is seen as dangerous. His 12 Rules For Life are a mixture of advice on how to play the dominance game a little better, how to ground oneself with routines in times of crisis and how to improve one’s personal relationships. For many, this is by far better than nothing.

But it is based on the idea that there is such a thing as a fixed hierarchy. From a study on serotonin levels and their relation to pecking order positions in lobsters, Peterson assumes that the fact that hierarchies predate capitalism and poststructuralist theories of oppression, their existence was biologically determined, or in Jung’s words, an archetype. Since serotonin works as an antidepressant in lobsters as well as humans, with higher levels corresponding with aiming for higher places in pecking orders, social hierarchies were unavoidable. Moreover, the flattening of hierarchies (more equality) leads to depression and loss of an upward trajectory.

Even if I pretended for a moment to be a Social Darwinist, this is not very convincing. Humans have developed language as a tool to organise their social dynamics. Many species are so similar to humans that they even can communicate with us, such as cats, dogs, dolphins, chimpanzees or bonobos. But all of these species have differently organised social dynamics and hierarchies, so that even a biological determinist needs to acknowledge that social hierarchies are much more fluid than lobsters crawling on top of each other.
 
I'd be interested to hear this thread's point of view on this...

https://www.rte.ie/eile/brainstorm/2018/0702/975772-here-come-the-lobsters/

Entire article blah blah blah but

There are some absolutely outrageous deductive leaps in his lobster-serotonin-hierarchy theory, that’s for damn sure.

The first paragraph makes him seem a bit less mental, mind you, and explains why not every who gets something from his self help stuff is necessarily a nazi or an idiot.
 
There are some absolutely outrageous deductive leaps in his lobster-serotonin-hierarchy theory, that’s for damn sure.

The first paragraph makes him seem a bit less mental, mind you, and explains why not every who gets something from his self help stuff is necessarily a nazi or an idiot.

I think his enthusiastic advocacy for hierarchy will lead people to dark places - but it's worth noting that he is under pressure (which he is resisting) from his Nazi fans to answer "The Jewish Question", not with "they have higher IQs", but with "shadowy cabal".
He then also has lines like this. I think he is giving his followers certain political avenues, all far-right, but he himself isn't going to advocate for the classical Nazi stuff.
 
its such a cringey, terrible group name

Dave Rubin and those Weinstein guys are the cringiest creepiest smuggest self-congratulating circle-jerking cnuts out there. Rubin especially is just completely void of anything of any substance by any measure of a man. Those guys in particular seem to be clinging onto the name the most, imo to associate themselves with the other guys in the 'group'. You're right it's so cringey to see.
 
Dave Rubin and those Weinstein guys are the cringiest creepiest smuggest self-congratulating circle-jerking cnuts out there. Rubin especially is just completely void of anything of any substance by any measure of a man. Those guys in particular seem to be clinging onto the name the most, imo to associate themselves with the other guys in the 'group'. You're right it's so cringey to see.

Weinstein invented the term so its not surprising he uses it from time to time. Rubin is merely coopting it as a marketing slogan to help build his youtube brand.
 
Weinstein invented the term so its not surprising he uses it from time to time. Rubin is merely coopting it as a marketing slogan to help build his youtube brand.

I thought some journalist invented it in an article a couple months back? I remember as it went semi-viral and Creepstein kept quoting it ever since like it's an actual thing.
 
I thought some journalist invented it in an article a couple months back? I remember as it went semi-viral and Creepstein kept quoting it ever since like it's an actual thing.

She merely used Weinstein's term to market the headline of her article.
 
Matt Dillahunty shamed Peterson regarding his preposterous comments about atheism
 
Everytime I read the name Ben Shapiro my day get's a little worse. I'm not a hateful person, but my God, there's just something undefinable about him (it's obviously his voice), that I so very deeply loathe.
 
Everytime I read the name Ben Shapiro my day get's a little worse. I'm not a hateful person, but my God, there's just something undefinable about him (it's obviously his voice), that I so very deeply loathe.
Don't even know who is.
 
Everytime I read the name Ben Shapiro my day get's a little worse. I'm not a hateful person, but my God, there's just something undefinable about him (it's obviously his voice), that I so very deeply loathe.

His voice is a car crash. I'd say he's one of the people on the right that is worth listening though, if you are interested in hearing a well-articulated opinion, even if you disagree with it. I shake my head when he speaks about religion and foreign policy but agree with a lot of other things he says. Or at least understand where he's coming from.
 
His voice is a car crash. I'd say he's one of the people on the right that is worth listening though, if you are interested in hearing a well-articulated opinion, even if you disagree with it. I shake my head when he speaks about religion and foreign policy but agree with a lot of other things he says. Or at least understand where he's coming from.
I feel the same but he is all over the map. He hates everything about trump but because of the one or two things he does that gives little ben a hard on he gives him hos full support. Its like supporting Ted Bundy because he was charming while luring his victims.
 
Everytime I read the name Ben Shapiro my day get's a little worse. I'm not a hateful person, but my God, there's just something undefinable about him (it's obviously his voice), that I so very deeply loathe.

The voice issue goes away the more you listen to him.
 
If you want to achieve real enlightenment then try a one hour interview of Shapiro talking to Dave Rubin.
Is that the guy posing as a liberal to piss of liberals?

Meh, fine I'll take a look. Where can I find this stuff? :)