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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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That's such a shit idea. The country needs culture too, maybe you don't care about art but it's part of who we are and I'm glad that there are people who are passionate about that kind of stuff and able to further the understanding of people who aren't so passionate.

Nothing stopping them. But (IMO) useful, practical degrees that are likely to produce graduates that can fill gaps in the UK workforce should be incentivised.
 
Mogg hasn't shown himself to be a career politician like the others. He's more passionate about his beliefs than his political career.
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Yes he's a real down to earth, working man's man, not one of those career politicians:

Rees-Mogg was born in Hammersmith, London and educated at Eton College. He then studied History at Trinity College, Oxford, and was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association. He worked in the City of London for Lloyd George Management until 2007, then co-founded a hedge fund management business, Somerset Capital Management LLP.[4][5][6] Rees-Mogg has amassed a significant fortune: in 2016, he and his wife had a combined net worth estimated at more than £100 million. Moving into politics, he unsuccessfully contested the 1997 and 2001 general electionsbefore being elected as the MP for North East Somerset in 2010.[7] He was re-elected in 2015 and 2017. Within the Conservative Party, he joined the traditionalist and socially conservative Cornerstone Group; his views on social issues are influenced by his adherence to Roman Catholicism.
 
You do realise that Mogg is a backbencher and not in the cabinet?

Yes but it's odd that he gets so much air time and media coverage for a backbencher, strange that other backbenchers don't get the same coverage.
Farage has never even been elected to the British parliament but he got plenty of media coverage.
Wonder why that is. Who really controls the UK?

The gullibles lap it up.
 
The British government gave the electorate a choice to vote on membership with the EU. In a democratic vote we chose to leave.
If we all believe in democracy, that should be it. We leave.
 
Yes he's a real down to earth, working man's man, not one of those career politicians:

Rees-Mogg was born in Hammersmith, London and educated at Eton College. He then studied History at Trinity College, Oxford, and was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association. He worked in the City of London for Lloyd George Management until 2007, then co-founded a hedge fund management business, Somerset Capital Management LLP.[4][5][6] Rees-Mogg has amassed a significant fortune: in 2016, he and his wife had a combined net worth estimated at more than £100 million. Moving into politics, he unsuccessfully contested the 1997 and 2001 general electionsbefore being elected as the MP for North East Somerset in 2010.[7] He was re-elected in 2015 and 2017. Within the Conservative Party, he joined the traditionalist and socially conservative Cornerstone Group; his views on social issues are influenced by his adherence to Roman Catholicism.

He was born into a wealthy family, and started his own investment business. His religious principles mean that he is prepared to against the grain of popular thinking without caring whether or not it would hinder his political career.
 
Yes he's a real down to earth, working man's man, not one of those career politicians:

Rees-Mogg was born in Hammersmith, London and educated at Eton College. He then studied History at Trinity College, Oxford, and was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association. He worked in the City of London for Lloyd George Management until 2007, then co-founded a hedge fund management business, Somerset Capital Management LLP.[4][5][6] Rees-Mogg has amassed a significant fortune: in 2016, he and his wife had a combined net worth estimated at more than £100 million. Moving into politics, he unsuccessfully contested the 1997 and 2001 general electionsbefore being elected as the MP for North East Somerset in 2010.[7] He was re-elected in 2015 and 2017. Within the Conservative Party, he joined the traditionalist and socially conservative Cornerstone Group; his views on social issues are influenced by his adherence to Roman Catholicism.

Isn't greed a sin? Lying surely isn't well looked on by the church?
 
He was born into a wealthy family, and started his own investment business. His religious principles mean that he is prepared to against the grain of popular thinking without caring whether or not it would hinder his political career.

:lol: Aye he's a modern day Jesus Christ.

Here he is loving his neighbour and healing the sick and poor by *checks notes* lobbying to reduce Britains's commitment to foreign aid:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/932206/Jacob-Rees-Mogg-UK-foreign-aid-latest-budget-Britain
 
You keep ignoring facts, the UK have no choice but to erect a hard border if they leave with no deal, I think that's the 500th time someone has said that in this thread but keep ignoring all facts.

That would probably depend on the trade agreement the UK had with the EU. It is not straight forward. If the UK was to charge tariffs for goods, a border is unavoidable, but the UK doesn't have to charge tariffs. It's a complicated scenario because nobody knows what trade would be like in a no deal situation.
 
About 40% of British exports go to the EU (a declining market), and when we leave the EU we shall automatically be one of the biggest customers.

One of the UK's biggest suppliers is France (7% goes to the UK)
If all trade stopped (which it won't but ) Uk loses 40% France loses 7% notice the difference and France are one the largest, some countries in the EU hardly deal with the UK.
 
That would probably depend on the trade agreement the UK had with the EU. It is not straight forward. If the UK was to charge tariffs for goods, a border is unavoidable, but the UK doesn't have to charge tariffs. It's a complicated scenario because nobody knows what trade would be like in a no deal situation.

If it's no deal, there is no trade agreement, it's immediately a hard border. It's not just to do with tariffs , you've been listening to JRM too much, he doesn't know what he's talking about, or at least pretends not to.
 
That would probably depend on the trade agreement the UK had with the EU. It is not straight forward. If the UK was to charge tariffs for goods, a border is unavoidable, but the UK doesn't have to charge tariffs. It's a complicated scenario because nobody knows what trade would be like in a no deal situation.

feck me. NO DEAL means the UK doesn't have a trade agreement with the EU.

Therefore WTO rules apply, therefore there has to be a border to apply WTO tariffs. Or we charge 0 tariffs to the EU and under WTO rules have to apply that to every other country in the world.
 
They leave the EU with no deal they trade with WTO rules. No hard border no WTO.

You're WUM aren't you?

We are already trading with the EU member states under WTO rules, which recognises a special arrangement. Once the UK collects customs at a border, it immediately becomes a hard border under WTO rules, but what if the UK does not charge tariffs?
It's a complex situation, but not necessarily a crisis if we plan for it, as the EU is also doing. Trade with the rest of the world does not affect just in time inventory with a hard border etc.
 
feck me. NO DEAL means the UK doesn't have a trade agreement with the EU.

Therefore WTO rules apply, therefore there has to be a border to apply WTO tariffs. Or we charge 0 tariffs to the EU and under WTO rules have to apply that to every other country in the world.

Border also for legal jurisdiction, origin of goods and a list of thousands of other reasons. JRM has taken over from Farage for conning the gullible British population.
 
feck me. NO DEAL means the UK doesn't have a trade agreement with the EU.

Therefore WTO rules apply, therefore there has to be a border to apply WTO tariffs. Or we charge 0 tariffs to the EU and under WTO rules have to apply that to every other country in the world.

Which would be our aim when we leave the EU.
 
We are already trading with the EU member states under WTO rules, which recognises a special arrangement. Once the UK collects customs at a border, it immediately becomes a hard border under WTO rules, but what if the UK does not charge tariffs?
It's a complex situation, but not necessarily a crisis if we plan for it, as the EU is also doing. Trade with the rest of the world does not affect just in time inventory with a hard border etc.

Surely it's the EU who'll be implementing tariffs? Hence why trade will be disrupted. Obviously we want things be as easy on us as possible; that's just not an option though.
 
We are already trading with the EU member states under WTO rules, which recognises a special arrangement. Once the UK collects customs at a border, it immediately becomes a hard border under WTO rules, but what if the UK does not charge tariffs?
It's a complex situation, but not necessarily a crisis if we plan for it, as the EU is also doing. Trade with the rest of the world does not affect just in time inventory with a hard border etc.

Stop talking about tariffs, that is not the main reason.See above.
The EU are getting ready for a no deal by recruiting personnel and building structures and moving their businesses from the UK and agencies and countless other things. The UK have done zilch.
 
You guys do realise that "no deal" must be an option as part of our negotiations, otherwise we'll have to concede everything to the EU.
 
You guys do realise that "no deal" must be an option as part of our negotiations, otherwise we'll have to concede everything to the EU.

But the EU - and everyone else - knows we won't (reasonably) go for no deal because it'd be completely disastrous for us. It's like refusing to pay back money you owe to someone and trying to get out of it by throwing yourself off a building. I mean...yeah, if you do it, they're not going to get their money, but you're not exactly benefiting yourself.
 
Stop talking about tariffs, that is not the main reason.See above.
The EU are getting ready for a no deal by recruiting personnel and building structures and moving their businesses from the UK and agencies and countless other things. The UK have done zilch.

There will not be a mass exodus of companies away from the UK. You've been reading too much Guardian newspaper.
 
You guys do realise that "no deal" must be an option as part of our negotiations, otherwise we'll have to concede everything to the EU.

Except no deal isn't viable, and we haven't prepared for it. And the EU know it isn't viable, and we haven't prepared for it. And we know they know it isn't viable and we haven't prepared for it.

Other than that it's a really sound strategy.
 
You guys do realise that "no deal" must be an option as part of our negotiations, otherwise we'll have to concede everything to the EU.

That's the UK's choice. You walk away , have no deals with any country in the world and have a hard border or in essence stay in the customs union and single market and avoid a hard border.

Surely it is clear by now that the UK cannot choose the bits they like from the EU.
 
But the EU - and everyone else - knows we won't (reasonably) go for no deal because it'd be completely disastrous for us. It's like refusing to pay back money you owe to someone and trying to get out of it by throwing yourself off a building. I mean...yeah, if you do it, they're not going to get their money, but you're not exactly benefiting yourself.

I agree that no deal is not beneficial to both of us, but it has to remain an option in the negotiation process. That's just common sense.
 
I agree that no deal is not beneficial to both of us, but it has to remain an option in the negotiation process. That's just common sense.

It's only common sense if no deal is an option which in any way benefits us at all. It isn't. It'd be disastrous. To the point where the worst deal the EU offer us would in all likelihood be better than it.

If you're bargaining and have an opt-out, that opt-out only works as an incentive for the other party to offer you a better deal if it's a realistic path you might follow. No deal isn't. Not even remotely.
 
This guy’s on a wind-up, surely?

No it's you who've been wound up by the media.
All the calamitous things that were supposed to happen when we voted to leave, haven't happened, and it won't happen when we leave completely.
If we ever get to leave with this prime minister.
 
Common sense is not cutting ties with our largest import and export market, and the largest trading bloc in the world, which is right on our doorstep, to chase a trade agreement with a demented dictator on the other side of the world who has a proudly protectionist outlook and zero trustworthiness or credibility.

Or at least I think it is.
 
There will not be a mass exodus of companies away from the UK. You've been reading too much Guardian newspaper.

Companies who need to move away because of problems incurred by Brexit will do so, there's no sentiment in business. If a company cannot operate correctly or loses money because of restrictions placed on its operation through Brexit they will move.
Have first hand knowledge, not the Guardian.