So kissing the EU's arse is your negotiating strategy. I understand. The EU is also threatening us with no deal.
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So kissing the EU's arse is your negotiating strategy. I understand. The EU is also threatening us with no deal.
I get it now, you're one of these 'Y2K never happened either' morons who don't know what had to happen behind the scenes to ensure everything carried on as per normal.
The EU are not threatening anyone, I thought you just wanted to leave with no deal, Brexit means Brexit surely.
And it will be equally clear to the EU, but for some reason you see the EU as being unable to be unfair in it's dealings with the UK. Whatever the EU says is gospel for you.
They did. And then to double-check they held a general election in which the great majority of voters opted for the two parties that put quite clearly in their manifestos that they intended to leave. As it said on the side of the bus, pay attention who you fecking vote for next time. Remainers who voted Tory or Labour, I'm talking to you!
Wow. You are serious. You’re obviously not a fan of the Guardian, so will everyone’s favourite hippy/communist publication, the Financial Times work for you as a source?
This shit is already happening. And Britain is still in the EU. I’m not sure why I’m replying though. If you’re not a wind up then you’re so deep in denial that nothing anyone can say will change your mind.
Of course I'd like a trade deal with EU member states, but one that does not compromise the referendum vote too much.
What is unfair, the EU have rules, four freedoms that are indivisible. Are you in or out? You're out, then that's all there is to say.
Tell me why companies will have a need to leave the UK post brexit?
Again. Not sure if serious. Surely that’s obvious?
A trade deal will be negotiated after the UK have left. How many years that will take nobody knows.
What is being debated now are still the same three items on the agenda which have been there since the start.
1. Citizens rights 2. The Irish Border 3. Payment agreement of what the UK owes or will owe the EU.
Until they are finalised nothing will happen with regards to trade deals and time is running out fast. A withdrawal agreement covering those items has to be signed up to by October/November at the latest and then ratified by the other 27 member states and possibly by the UK parliament if the government allows it to be.
So essentially you want "control of the borders" to let everyone and everything in? If you're going to have a non enforced border in Ireland and no duties on anything, why control ports, airports, the chunnel!? Anybody and anything could already come through Ireland...
Sounds a lot like what Brexiteers campaigned for 2 years ago...
So let's be clear here. The British electorate were given a choice to leave the EU, are you suggesting that we should not have been offered a democratic vote on EU membership?
But you have to accept the consequences of that vote which no-one including JRM, May, Farage, Johnson want to do.
People can just fly into the country and stay beyond their visa time.
Maybe the problem is that reaching an agreement for you is kissing asses as you see the EU more like an enemy than like a partner.
EU does not threat at all. The only one coming threatening was the UK through Cameron when he tried to renegotiate the conditions signed. The UK threatened the EU through a referendum trying to negotiate a deal after the referendum but before trigger article 50.
UK chose to leave and that means No Deal. If the UK wants a deal is the one that needs to propose, not the way around. And if the UK proposes ABSURD deals, the EU will never accept. You can't pretend to cherry pick and want some things and in return you don't give another besides that " I am the fecking entitled failed British empire (goes for the politicians and some old timers) and I demand it"
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Not in the fashion it was done with 0 preparation and even less of a clue how to go about it. The options weren't to leave or stay, they were:
1)Keep everything at status quo
2)Do anything the farthest to the right of the conservative party can force on the rest of the conservative party. Whatever that shall be.
The referendum was done horribly bad by a government that had no clue what it was doing. The fact that brexit won changes nothing about that.
Nobody as yet knows the consequences and the full benefits. We don't even know is May's proposal is going to be rejected yet.
Sorry guys I gotta shoot off to prepare metrics for a meeting tomorrow. Struggling to keep up with all the responses here.
Where are all the brexiters in this forum? Are there any?
If I started a pro brexit thread here, would I be the only one in there?
Where are all the brexiters in this forum? Are there any?
If I started a pro brexit thread here, would I be the only one in there?
You've already lost tens of thousands of jobs, sterling has already fallen in value by about 10%+, investments have been cancelled and relocated. And nothing has technically changed whatsoever in the 2 years since you've made this decision. Even fecking JRM thinks its going to damage your economy further and thousands more jobs will be lost when you actually leave. How far down the toilet does your economy need to go before you give credit to the predictions it would hurt you?
The consequences are no deal - that's what you voted for, otherwise the UK stays in the CU/SM ie in the EU in name only. May's proposal is 100% certain rejected. It was rejected before it was released to the public.
Narrator [Ron Howard]: "It is."
So?
Which amount to singing Land of Hope and Glory and hoping for the best.
When businesses make major investment decisions like where to set up theyconsider many things including labor costs and the size of the market they serve. Being inside the EU is a huge benefit in such cases as you have tarrif free access to 100% of the EU's spending rather than just 16% of it.
So new investment is far more likely not to flow to the UK. Not to mention the EU incentives to set up in deprived areas will no longer exist.
And when investment choices have to be made where are they going to concenteate spending? Say, expand a car plant in the UK or one inside the UK?
Hard Brexit is going to hugely damage British manufacturing in the medium/long term.
Our exports and imports will be more expensive and trade will decline. Why would they not?
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Good for tbem! Too busy turning Kent into a lorry park I suppose.
So how about art teachers then? You ok incentivising that?
Is there a shortage of art teachers? If so yes?
EU citizens lean toward a hard line in the negotiations.
Of course we shouldn't have. That is why we have the Westminster form of democracy.
EU citizens lean toward a hard line in the negotiations.
Would people not be inclined to take a hard line in negotiations in general?
We trade through the single market and customs union. The WTO was created after those and didn't have any effect on EU nation trade with each other as the inner-EU arrangements are at a higher level than the WTO. Trading through the WTO means Britain will be legally required to erect a border in Ireland and pay tariffs which are two things the leave campaign explicitly told the country wouldn't happen. Half the country might have voted for Brexit, but they didn't vote for this shit.
This Vidic fella is having a mare. Time to bring on Phil Jones
I think that the referendum needed to be more specific. What does leaving the EU means? Is it the Norway model? Is it the Swiss model? Is it the Turkish model (customs union and nothing more)? Is it the Ceta model? (trade deal and nothing more) or is it a hard Brexit? It also needed to respect the EU enough not to invent a new model that wasn't given the go ahead by them first. Its naive and rude from the Brexiteer's part to expect the EU to just roll over and give the UK whatever it wanted. Sure shrewd negotiations might lead to some concessions but taking such concession for granted enough to promise them to the electorate is crazy and will only create hostility.
The voter was duped in voting Brexit by being offered a wide range of options most of whom contrasted with one another. Its impossible to be in the single market while concurrently end FOM. Thus such dishonestly dents the credibility of the referendum.
May I remind you that during the Brexit campaign hard brexit was portrayed as a rather extreme and unpopular view. This is what Brexiteers used to say during the Brexit campaign.
Politicians turn out to be dishonest sacks of shit.
Say it aint so
Say it aint so
For which both major parties campaigned with Brexit in their manifestos, so you should be happy it's all working as planned.
Personally I wish people had voted Liberal or SNP, but they didn't, unfortunately, they voted overwhelmingly for Brexit parties.
This is such a bullshit argument. The only party with a possibility of beating the tories last election were Labour, and the Lib Dems only recently were in coalition with those same tories. For anyone who wanted an end to austerity politics and the removal of the Tories, the Lib Dems were hardly going to be a realistic option.
And that'll always be the remainers argument. Austerity obviously more important than Brexit, makes sense.
Then those anyones have little right to complain about Brexit, they voted for it.
For context, Miliband was Labour's leader and anti Brexit, right?