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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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I think it's similar to how under Miliband the party never defended its record in government and allowed the 'Labour broke the economy' narrative to take hold. Eventually it became 'fact'. A proposition unopposed will do that. By the time Labour got around to recognising the need to actually fight back against that narrative/lie it was too late, there was no reversing it. With Brexit nobody really opposed the Farage/nutjob narrative that Brexit was an "overwhelming" vote for a hard Brexit where we'd leave the CM/CU and feck ourselves, generally, up the arse. So that's what Brexit means now, even those who didn't vote for that kind of Brexit now think they did as they've been told for 2 years they did and very few people have challenged that narrative.

If the day of the referendum there were calls for a national debate on the future relationship things might be different but nobody who mattered (or who wouldn't be dismissed) made that point. It was utter capitulation to the hard right, UKIP wet dream which cannot realistically be reversed. Suggest that people didn't vote to shoot themselves in the face they'll scream back that they absolutely did.

Yes, exactly. You could see that the narrative had built up steadily and by the time the 2015 election came around, it was too late for Labour to do anything. The Tories did a great job with their propaganda that they are the better party for handling the economy and that Labour are reckless. It was painful to see Miliband get absolutely hammered by the Question Time audience in Leeds about spending before and during the financial crisis.
 
First of all, concern about immigration being a drain on resources (whether or not it's valid) is not the same thing as racism.

If they were moaning about how the immigrants aren't integrating into British culture and bringing with them cultural norms that are bad for society then yes, that's pretty close to racism. And this is definitely happening too. It's an incredibly simplistic view (which mozza is prone to, with his stream of pithy one liners) to lump all the different concerns about immigration (and all the different people expressing them) into one big, amorphous, racist bunch of people. Which is not to say that there aren't a whole load of racists in amongst that bunch of people because there obviously is.

Apart from anything else, there's already been data in this thread showing that a lot of POC voted Leave, presumably because of these concerns about unchecked immigration. How are they being racist, exactly? And to whom?
I'd say they're being racist, to other immigrants. Being a POC doesn't absolve you from being racist. Speaking as a British Asian, in my opinion, any British Asian who voted to leave purely so Britain would have less European immigration and more immigration from Asia is a fecking moron and racist.
 
Delivery by Boris on a zip wire?

I'm a Type 1 insulin dependant diabetic, I have no concerns with a no deal brexit, countries traded pre EU, not sure what the fuss is about, and btw artificial insulin isn't produced only in the EU.
 
I'm a Type 1 insulin dependant diabetic, I have no concerns with a no deal brexit, countries traded pre EU, not sure what the fuss is about, and btw artificial insulin isn't produced only in the EU.
Expect UK doesn’t have currently any infrastructure in place for “pre-eu” scenario from ports/borders/checks/handling of massive queues to legalities like regulation/licensing and this certainly won’t get done by the March next year, you get that don’t you? Your insuline is currently delivered to local agencies on just-in-time basis.

There will obviously be disturbances to regular supply chains, you’re confident in this gov. to be prepared for all these possible implications the second country leaves the EU?

You should demand answers and not rely on this inept gov by simply asserting to the notion that “well countries somehow traded before the EU”.
 
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Brexiteers demand no deal.
Government prepare for no deal.
Brexiteers accuse government of project fear II.
 
Good news for people who are sick of the BBC inviting IEA members on to spout their bollocks. They're just about to forget about their existence for a few days.



Oh god that sounds terrible.
 
Doesn't matter what you or I think of Corbyn. This government must be removed.
 
My two-year fixed mortgage is up in May, so assume i can consider remortgaging in the New Year. Should I be trying to lock down a fixed interest rate for as long as possible, or are we more likely to see rate decreases if Brexit tanks the economy?
 
My two-year fixed mortgage is up in May, so assume i can consider remortgaging in the New Year. Should I be trying to lock down a fixed interest rate for as long as possible, or are we more likely to see rate decreases if Brexit tanks the economy?
Hard to see rates getting any lower!

My mortgage is up at the same time and i will definitely be trying to lock in a fixed rate before March.
 
Yeah fair point on not getting much lower. I guess i was just after a bit of reassurance that would be better to lock in to say a 5 year fixed rather than 2/3.
Yeah i havent decided how far out i will fix, depends on if you think you will want to move in the next 5 years?

Minimum 3yr fix i recon but depends on what the rate difference is.
 
You say you need to have them come back and come up with another idea, but I guess their counter to that would be: It's Britain who wants to leave, so the onus should be on us to find something that's acceptable to them.

No, absolutely not. We have a legal right to leave under the Lisbon Treaty, and they have a legal duty to help us look at the relationship afterwards.

So Brexit is their right and our duty. Hooooly cow, I wonder what kind of glue that bloke is sniffing to get these ideas:lol:
 
My two-year fixed mortgage is up in May, so assume i can consider remortgaging in the New Year. Should I be trying to lock down a fixed interest rate for as long as possible, or are we more likely to see rate decreases if Brexit tanks the economy?
It is widely expected that the minimum lending rate will rise this thursday.
 
My two-year fixed mortgage is up in May, so assume i can consider remortgaging in the New Year. Should I be trying to lock down a fixed interest rate for as long as possible, or are we more likely to see rate decreases if Brexit tanks the economy?
We don't know what inflatiron is going to look like post brexit. Hard brexit could cause CPI to rise sharply.
The economy being weak is a reason why interest rates might stay low but we could end up in a stagflation scenario.
This is the problem with using monetary policy to solve problems. Interest rates have been so low that when the economy tanks, the BoE has no tools at its disposal. My advice would be to lock in a rate for the foreseeable.
 
We don't know what inflatiron is going to look like post brexit. Hard brexit could cause CPI to rise sharply.
The economy being weak is a reason why interest rates might stay low but we could end up in a stagflation scenario.
This is the problem with using monetary policy to solve problems. Interest rates have been so low that when the economy tanks, the BoE has no tools at its disposal. My advice would be to lock in a rate for the foreseeable.
I would say so. Rates are now at a truly historic low, the potential for them to rise is many times greater than the small amount they could possibly fall by. I have heard it said the longest period fixed rates are not suitable for people who might want to move house or pay off early though, as the penalties to do so are so high, but I don't know how true this is. Would have to examine any offer closely I suppose.
 
It is widely expected that the minimum lending rate will rise this thursday.
I can't see it tbh, not with a hard Brexit seemingly looming.
We don't know what inflatiron is going to look like post brexit. Hard brexit could cause CPI to rise sharply.
The economy being weak is a reason why interest rates might stay low but we could end up in a stagflation scenario.
This is the problem with using monetary policy to solve problems. Interest rates have been so low that when the economy tanks, the BoE has no tools at its disposal. My advice would be to lock in a rate for the foreseeable.
Feck knows how the BoE will manage stagflation. I do wonder how long Carney could resist raising rates if inflation surges post-Brexit too. Whole thing is such a cluster.
My last two fixed rate mortgages have been five year- think we have two or three left on the current one. I'd lock in the rate for longer tbh.
 
I can't see it tbh, not with a hard Brexit seemingly looming.

Feck knows how the BoE will manage stagflation. I do wonder how long Carney could resist raising rates if inflation surges post-Brexit too. Whole thing is such a cluster.
My last two fixed rate mortgages have been five year- think we have two or three left on the current one. I'd lock in the rate for longer tbh.
Hargreaves Lansdown are still expecting a thursday rise on their website: https://www.hl.co.uk/news/2018/7/30/five-things-to-watch-on-uk-interest-rates, which I'm sure you know, so I'll await with interest.

The pound falling again would impact inflation, but only for 12 months, so maybe the Bank would ride it? Higher tariffs would raise inflation too, but I don't know if tariffs would actually be higher or lower, it's hard to know who to believe. It's government revenue falls when businesses leave, combined with higher government expenditure, that worries me the most, but the forecasting bodies don't seem to be predicting an insurmountalbe problem, and again, it's hard to know who to believe.
 
The most hilarious outcome would be if you guys end up somehow remain-ing . Will be a laughing stock for everybody but at this point nobody would mind, it seems.
 
Hargreaves Lansdown are still expecting a thursday rise on their website: https://www.hl.co.uk/news/2018/7/30/five-things-to-watch-on-uk-interest-rates, which I'm sure you know, so I'll await with interest.

The pound falling again would impact inflation, but only for 12 months, so maybe the Bank would ride it? Higher tariffs would raise inflation too, but I don't know if tariffs would actually be higher or lower, it's hard to know who to believe. It's government revenue falls when businesses leave, combined with higher government expenditure, that worries me the most, but the forecasting bodies don't seem to be predicting an insurmountalbe problem, and again, it's hard to know who to believe.
Oh right- 86.4% probability of a rate hike according to market pricing.

No-one has a fecking clue what's going to happen post-Brexit tbh.
 
Brexiteers demand no deal.
Government prepare for no deal.
Brexiteers accuse government of project fear II.

:lol:

"He suggested the implications of no deal could be spelled out on billboards in EU member states."

I'm envisaging a redux of the 'Turkey' billboard pre-referendum. "66m people from Britain will seek sanctuary in the EU if they leave with no deal" should scare them straight.

What planet do these Brexiters live on?
 
:lol:

"He suggested the implications of no deal could be spelled out on billboards in EU member states."

I'm envisaging a redux of the 'Turkey' billboard pre-referendum. "66m people from Britain will seek sanctuary in the EU if they leave with no deal" should scare them straight.

What planet do these Brexiters live on?

Not the same planet as everyone else, that's for sure.

I thought this was hilarious:

A cabinet source said: “It is designed by No 10 to do the opposite of what Brexiteers want. We could have made a strong case for no deal and said we were prepared. The way they are presenting it makes it look like Armageddon.

“It is a kamikaze approach to no-deal. The truth is, it’s total chaos. They are deliberately trying to make no-deal look bad.

“It’s a fallacy to say it will be a total disaster. It won’t. We need to highlight the risk for the European Union, the negatives for them.”

The government and Brexiters have totally lost the plot.
Do they yet realise that it's not the EU that would run out of food, medicine because , wait for it, the borders between the EU27 will not be closed.
 
Not the same planet as everyone else, that's for sure.

I thought this was hilarious:

A cabinet source said: “It is designed by No 10 to do the opposite of what Brexiteers want. We could have made a strong case for no deal and said we were prepared. The way they are presenting it makes it look like Armageddon.

“It is a kamikaze approach to no-deal. The truth is, it’s total chaos. They are deliberately trying to make no-deal look bad.

“It’s a fallacy to say it will be a total disaster. It won’t. We need to highlight the risk for the European Union, the negatives for them.”

The government and Brexiters have totally lost the plot.
Do they yet realise that it's not the EU that would run out of food, medicine because , wait for it, the borders between the EU27 will not be closed.
It's almost like the brains of those in charge have been consumed by extraterrestrial insects.
 
The most hilarious outcome would be if you guys end up somehow remain-ing . Will be a laughing stock for everybody but at this point nobody would mind, it seems.
I'd happily accept being a laughing stock if it meant that the UK remained a part of the EU as we were before the referendum.
 
I'd happily accept being a laughing stock if it meant that the UK remained a part of the EU as we were before the referendum.

Same here, we're a laughing stock regardless. But I'd rather be a laughing stock without the catastrophes of Brexit.