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First time I've seen this muppet lost for words



He's more Alan Partridge than Alan Partridge there. Expected him to ask "Who invented the skip?" at the end.
 
Just read that even Romanian and Bulgarian migrant fruit pickers are skipping BREXIT Britain because, for the first time ever, there is more money to be made in the rest of Europe. Leaving UK crops wasting in the fields.

You really couldn't write this stuff :lol:
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Just read that even Romanian and Bulgarian migrant fruit pickers are skipping BREXIT Britain because, for the first time ever, there is more money to be made in the rest of Europe. Leaving UK crops wasting in the fields.

You really couldn't write this stuff :lol:
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Awesome. Shouldn't be anyone in the UK left unemployed by this time next year then. We can do away with benefits and put that money into the NHS.

It's really easy making empty promises isn't it.
 
Adisa said:
Too late I feel.
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I fear that it's more complicated than that, it's not simply too late but too fake. People have been taught to dislike the EU and other European countries, they are happy to blame continentals for every thing and remaining or a soft Brexit won't change that, the ingredients for Brexit are still there and they will come out at the first opportunity whether it is because the economy isn't great or because the UK want a particular deal/arrangement.
I have been in the "it's better if you stay" camp, from the beginning but thinking about it, it's a terrible idea and a very naive one, we don't trust you and you don't trust us, we are not on the same side and no amount of pretending will change that. A painful break is better than a poisonous relationship, we should both take the hit and move on.
 
JPRouve said:
I fear that it's more complicated than that, it's not simply too late but too fake. People have been taught to dislike the EU and other European countries, they are happy to blame continentals for every thing and remaining or a soft Brexit won't change that, the ingredients for Brexit are still there and they will come out at the first opportunity whether it is because the economy isn't great or because the UK want a particular deal/arrangement.
I have been in the "it's better if you stay" camp, from the beginning but thinking about it, it's a terrible idea and a very naive one, we don't trust you and you don't trust us, we are not on the same side and no amount of pretending will change that. A painful break is better than a poisonous relationship, we should both take the hit and move on.
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:lol: Nice try
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
:lol: Nice try
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I'm not trying anything, do you really believe that the anti EU sentiment will disappear? It seems that a lot of people consider that the EU are punishing the UK and making brexit worse.
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Says a guy in France :lol:
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Just answer the question, if you think that it really disappeared or that it will disappear then fair enough. But the opinion makers, the main parties are saying something else and remember that they are the ones that created this sentiment in the first place.
 
Yeah he's not wrong at all. The narrative is already being spun that all the crap we'll have to deal with after we leave is a result of the EU punishing us thus proving we were right to leave in the first place. The 52% will lap it up. Might even win over a few more simpletons to the cause.
 
Stuff like “are EU our friends? Real friends wouldn’t punish you for leaving” is doing circles currently.
 
JPRouve said:
Just answer the question, if you think that it really disappeared or that it will disappear then fair enough. But the opinion makers, the main parties are saying something else and remember that they are the ones that created this sentiment in the first place.
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What question?

I just see someone who lives in France, one of the most institutionally racist members of the EU, telling me that Britain is well past saving as it has been taught to be racist through social media and their time is up.

I'm sorry if I don't accept that view. But I will not apologise for my stance!

I personally believe that the status quo in Britain is mostly divisive, and that the far right are now hanging on by their fingernails pandering to press and social media campaigns skewing the picture while bleating anything other than a hard BREXIT is "undemocratic".
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Yeah he's not wrong at all. The narrative is already being spun that all the crap we'll have to deal with after we leave is a result of the EU punishing us thus proving we were right to leave in the first place. The 52% will lap it up. Might even win over a few more simpletons to the cause.
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In fairness it's no more stupid then the ''The EU is a place where immigrates can travel and come together as one people and that this union that was create to us european from fighting each etc''.

Although the former will be more damaging to the UK.
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
What question?

I just see someone who lives in France, one of the most institutionally racist members of the EU, telling me that Britain is well past saving as it has been taught to be racist through social media and their time is up.

I'm sorry if I don't accept that view. But I will not apologise for my stance!

I personally believe that the status quo in Britain is mostly divisive, and that the far right are now hanging on by their fingernails pandering to press and social media campaigns skewing the picture while bleating anything other than a hard BREXIT is "undemocratic".
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What has any of that got to do with all the anti-EU sentiment stirred up in Britain, pre and post Brexit referendum?

Certainly interesting that you criticised a post on the basis of the nationality of the person who posted it. Perhaps you’ve been drinking the anti-EU koolaid too?
 
Ramshock said:
So you have no idea how trade deals work but you are a diabetic who isnt worried so nobody else should be? I would rather have the secure feeling that my life saving medicine is in guaranteed supply rather than hoping for the best it will be. Lets hope this does'nt bite you in the arse next year.
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WTO rules impose a 10% tariff on goods. That's $1 on every $10. For most goods like food and medicine that is not the end of the world. The MFN rule also allows for the EU to declare the UK and trade reasonably with them. Hard Brexit is not ideal but people need to stop acting like the world is going to stop turning. It isn't...
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
What question?

I just see someone who lives in France, one of the most institutionally racist members of the EU, telling me that Britain is well past saving as it has been taught to be racist through social media and their time is up.

I'm sorry if I don't accept that view. But I will not apologise for my stance!

I personally believe that the status quo in Britain is mostly divisive, and that the far right are now hanging on by their fingernails pandering to press and social media campaigns skewing the picture while bleating anything other than a hard BREXIT is "undemocratic".
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The question was, has the anti EU sentiment disappeared or will it disappear in the near future?

Also what has racism got to do with it, did I say that the UK was racist? And what is your experience with France when it comes to institutional racism?
 
Rajma said:
Stuff like “are EU our friends? Real friends wouldn’t punish you for leaving” is doing circles currently.
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When folks start wondering about the friendship status of an entity they declared to be worse than Hitler years ago, when getting what they wished for is suddenly perceived as "punishment" the closer we get to March'19.
Brexiter butts approaching anchor ice, if I may use a German proverb:lol:
 
Pogue Mahone said:
What has any of that got to do with all the anti-EU sentiment stirred up in Britain, pre and post Brexit referendum?

Certainly interesting that you criticised a post on the basis of the nationality of the person who posted it. Perhaps you’ve been drinking the anti-EU koolaid too?
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My critique of the original post (answered further back in the thread) was valid in my opinion.

The original post by the French guy was a broad sweeping nationalistic appraisal of Britain saying give up now you're all racists so you deserve BREXIT!

If you think that is not worthy of a repost then look very deep within your soul!
 
Green_Red said:
WTO rules impose a 10% tariff on goods. That's $1 on every $10. For most goods like food and medicine that is not the end of the world. The MFN rule also allows for the EU to declare the UK and trade reasonably with them. Hard Brexit is not ideal but people need to stop acting like the world is going to stop turning. It isn't...
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The issue isn’t the cost of these tarrifs it’s the additional processes and admin burden needed to apply them. The supply and distribution of medicines operates to very fine margins, where timing is everything. If shipments get snarled up in the chaos predicted in and around ports, straight after hard Brexit, then there’s a very real chance that they will never make it to the pharmacy shelves in Britain. If they spend too long in the back of a truck, outside the required parameters for storage then they can’t be released. I know nothing about food distribution but can imagine similar issues cropping up.
 
Green_Red said:
WTO rules impose a 10% tariff on goods. That's $1 on every $10. For most goods like food and medicine that is not the end of the world. The MFN rule also allows for the EU to declare the UK and trade reasonably with them. Hard Brexit is not ideal but people need to stop acting like the world is going to stop turning. It isn't...
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“Mr Green_Red, we have some good news and some bad news. The good news is that despite Project Fear and the scaremongering Remoaners, the rise in cost of your insulin is only going to be minor and of course is covered by the NHS anyway. The bad news is that it’s currently stuck on the back of a lorry in Calais. We’ll let your know in a few weeks when it turns up (or not).”
 
GloryHunter07 said:
I feel like the mood music around Brexit is slowly changing. Too late?
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Hard to tell. It should be too late, but it would be a very British thing to run it right down to the wire and then do a big dramatic last minute reversal in the name of common sense. Can’t bring myself to really hope for it though, given how totally fecked everything has been lately. Although we do have the governments economic impact reports coming out fairly soon. I think a lot will depend on how the press cover them. The Mail having a new editor could make for an interesting thing to watch.
 
JPRouve said:
The question was, has the anti EU sentiment disappeared or will it disappear in the near future?

Also what has racism got to do with it, did I say that the UK was racist? And what is your experience with France when it comes to institutional racism?
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Your view, as I read it in your post #27230, was that things have got so bad with Britains' dislike of everything EU (read racism) that it's probably best we stop fighting for a better solution and cave in and just make the most of BREXIT.

JPRouve said:
I fear that it's more complicated than that, it's not simply too late but too fake. People have been taught to dislike the EU and other European countries, they are happy to blame continentals for every thing and remaining or a soft Brexit won't change that, the ingredients for Brexit are still there and they will come out at the first opportunity whether it is because the economy isn't great or because the UK want a particular deal/arrangement.
I have been in the "it's better if you stay" camp, from the beginning but thinking about it, it's a terrible idea and a very naive one, we don't trust you and you don't trust us, we are not on the same side and no amount of pretending will change that. A painful break is better than a poisonous relationship, we should both take the hit and move on.
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Thank god that the rest of the EU do not see things in the same simplistic way.

As for Europe's 'treatment' of Britain while these talks are conducted:

Who can blame the people of a collective group of many countries protecting their own interests in bargaining talks? The simple fact is that Europe is stronger with Britain at the negotiating table and Britain is stronger with Europe at its side.

That this conversation even has to be had and has even become a part of this thread, while endorsing that sentiment, answers your second question!
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Your view, as I read it in your post #27230, was that things have got so bad with Britains' dislike of everything EU (read racism) that it's probably best we stop fighting for a better solution and cave in and just make the most of BREXIT.


Thank god that the rest of the EU do not see things in the same simplistic way.

As for Europe's 'treatment' of Britain while these talks are conducted:

Who can blame the people of a collective group of many countries protecting their own interests in bargaining talks? The simple fact is that Europe is stronger with Britain at the negotiating table and Britain is stronger with Europe at its side.

That this conversation even has to be had and has even become a part of this thread, while endorsing that sentiment, answers your second question!
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Well, don't read racism when it isn't there, the EU isn't a race, it's an institution and I'm talking about institutions here. As for the second sentence that's the point, can you name the problem that led to brexit?
 
JPRouve said:
I'm not trying anything, do you really believe that the anti EU sentiment will disappear? It seems that a lot of people consider that the EU are punishing the UK and making brexit worse.
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What I will say is that it is well documented that the anti-EU sentiment is stronger in the older generations. Younger generations of Brits voted overwhelmingly to remain. With that in mind - yes, I think that over time the UK population will become more pro-EU. That’s regardless of Brexit for the most part.
 
JPRouve said:
Well, don't read racism when it isn't there, the EU isn't a race, it's an institution and I'm talking about institutions here. As for the second sentence that's the point, can you name the problem that led to brexit?
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Twist this around all you like (I can't be bothered to play your stupid mind games) … you wrote a very dismissive, and factually wrong, post about your interpretations of the feelings of the British people towards BREXIT and what you feel they should do.

I disagreed so lets leave it there!
 
JPRouve said:
The question was, has the anti EU sentiment disappeared or will it disappear in the near future?

Also what has racism got to do with it, did I say that the UK was racist? And what is your experience with France when it comes to institutional racism?
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EU sentiment will not disappear but it will be (or would have been should I say) less widespread as the current generation of over-60s die off. If Cameron had not panicked due to UKIP (a party unable to win a seat except through the occasional weirdo defecting), this issue would have died down in the next 15-20 years apart from a very small number of hard right ideologues.
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
What question?

I just see someone who lives in France, one of the most institutionally racist members of the EU, telling me that Britain is well past saving as it has been taught to be racist through social media and their time is up.

I'm sorry if I don't accept that view. But I will not apologise for my stance!

I personally believe that the status quo in Britain is mostly divisive, and that the far right are now hanging on by their fingernails pandering to press and social media campaigns skewing the picture while bleating anything other than a hard BREXIT is "undemocratic".
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Here's another guy who lives in France , but this one's British born.
The only person who brought up racism was you and seemed to take umbrage that a French person has an opinion on the matter. Sounds a bit....

But while we're on the subject and having lived in both countries, guess which country is more xenophobic by far in my opinion.

His point was nothing to do with racism. EU isn't a race.
He meant and I agree, that this anti-EU (institution) feeling will not go away if the UK suddenly decided to stay. It will continue to fester and maybe the only answer is to experience what life is like outside the EU.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Here's another guy who lives in France , but this one's British born.
The only person who brought up racism was you and seemed to take umbrage that a French person has an opinion on the matter. Sounds a bit....

But while we're on the subject and having lived in both countries, guess which country is more xenophobic by far in my opinion.

His point was nothing to do with racism. EU isn't a race.
He meant and I agree, that this anti-EU (institution) feeling will not go away if the UK suddenly decided to stay. It will continue to fester and maybe the only answer is to experience what life is like outside the EU.
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I live in Germany :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: … and I speak loads with JP in the rugby threads but I guess racism blinds some people!
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Twist this around all you like (I can't be bothered to play your stupid mind games) … you wrote a very dismissive, and factually wrong, post about your interpretations of the feelings of the British people towards BREXIT and what you feel they should do.

I disagreed so lets leave it there!
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No, that's too easy. You can't go around claiming that I called people racist and act as if you were in the right, you also can't act as if the Anti EU sentiment wasn't a thing otherwise there would be no solution to find. Also why do you dodge the question, just name the problem that led to Brexit.

MoskvaRed said:
EU sentiment will not disappear but it will be (or would have been should I say) less widespread as the current generation of over-60s die off. If Cameron had not panicked due to UKIP (a party unable to win a seat except through the occasional weirdo defecting), this issue would have died down in the next 15-20 years apart from a very small number of hard right ideologues.
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15-20 years is a long time, I feel that it would be better if you leave and then eventually comeback if you want to because by staying you don't really get rid of Brexit or the narrative. If you leave and are out of the EU, you will be able to figure things out without having the EU subject pollute everything and if you want you can get rid of the part of the current political class that is either on the fence and clearly anti EU.
 
JPRouve said:
15-20 years is a long time, I feel that it would be better if you leave and then eventually comeback if you want to because by staying you don't really get rid of Brexit or the narrative. If you leave and are out of the EU, you will be able to figure things out without having the EU subject pollute everything and if you want you can get rid of the part of the current political class that is either on the fence and clearly anti EU.
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That’s the theoretical solution that sounds like it makes sense. The trouble is however that if the U.K. leave the EU with a hard separation, we inevitably become a lot closer to the US and that’s extremely dangerous for the fabric of U.K. society. The idea of a U.K. just floating around not tied to any bigger bloc and realizing the error of its ways, sounds good on paper but is very unlikely in practice.

For those of us who like our families back home having things like the NHS, that is not an acceptable outcome.
 
JPRouve said:
I fear that it's more complicated than that, it's not simply too late but too fake. People have been taught to dislike the EU and other European countries, they are happy to blame continentals for every thing and remaining or a soft Brexit won't change that, the ingredients for Brexit are still there and they will come out at the first opportunity whether it is because the economy isn't great or because the UK want a particular deal/arrangement.
I have been in the "it's better if you stay" camp, from the beginning but thinking about it, it's a terrible idea and a very naive one, we don't trust you and you don't trust us, we are not on the same side and no amount of pretending will change that. A painful break is better than a poisonous relationship, we should both take the hit and move on.
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You do have a point. A huge chunk of the seventy something percent that think Brexit isn't going well think we should just up sticks and leave. Not that they're against Brexit.
It would shock you the percentage of people that believe the EU is at fault for the Ireland shambles.
This country has been bombarded with anti European propaganda for the best part of forty years. The last two years will do nothing to change it.
I feel this country needs to leave to realise how much better it is to be in the EU. You don't realise how valuable something is until it's gone. If we crash out, I can almost guarantee we would be back in withing two or three decades.
 
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