Own goal after own goal.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
To judge by the photos of the event, he's still lying.
He should have just come out and said the only purpose of the trip was to honour the 1985 dead, but that he subsequently got railroaded into an uncomfortable situation that he felt he couldn't get out of. That's about the most generous, somewhat plausible explanation I can think of - but it's belied by the doubling down. His best move now would be to fire Milne and try to blame all this on his incompetence.
https://web.archive.org/web/2015092...cs-massacre-israelis-weren-t-the-only-victims
Corbyn was the chairman of STWC at the time. I know, that he isn't responsible for individual articles that got published/linked. Still its not hard to see why someone with his convictions might not have a big problem with commemorating those people.
Corbyn was the chairman of STWC at the time. I know, that he isn't responsible for individual articles that got published/linked. Still its not hard to see why someone with his convictions might not have a big problem with commemorating those people.
Got hounded out of the thread the last time I compared the situation to Trump.
Personally don't think he needs to or should leave just yet. Let brexit play out first.
Sooner he goes and Labour get a leader with the balls to say "This is bollocks" about Brexit, the better. If it happens because he lied about putting flowers on the grave of a terrorist then so be it.
I like the idea of a Labour leader being stronger against Brexit but it's no guarantee of improved fortunes for the party.
Sack Corbyn, sign Ed Balls.
I've just had it up to my bollocks with the Labour party being in the permanent state of 'might as well not exist', all whist fanatics pretend that it's some kind of radical force in British politics. Nobody alive has any memory of the Labour party being less relevant to the political narrative and biggest issues of the day than it is now and I'm fed up with it.
I'm fed up with excuses, fed up of the govt getting away with everything, fed up with the party having zero media handling ability. And more's the point my piss has been boiled so much by those who have realised their only chance of making this shower of absolute shite look any good is by rubbishing what was a fecking good Labour government of 1997-2010 in the hope that they'll succeed and make Corbyn look fractionally less shit than he is, that I think it's actually all evaporated now. And that's without even getting started on Brexit.
So yeah, he can feck right off.
I'm fed up with excuses, fed up of the govt getting away with everything, fed up with the party having zero media handling ability. And more's the point my piss has been boiled so much by those who have realised their only chance of making this shower of absolute shite look any good is by rubbishing what was a fecking good Labour government of 1997-2010 in the hope that they'll succeed and make Corbyn look fractionally less shit than he is, that I think it's actually all evaporated now. And that's without even getting started on Brexit.
So yeah, he can feck right off.
Long-term I imagine the best option for the party will be someone on the left who's a lot younger than Corbyn and who thus doesn't have the same baggage when it comes to issues like Palestine, the IRA etc. Doesn't really seem to be anyone in that bracket right now though - most of the renowned lefties are all older.
Corbyn said he was present at the wreath laying ceremony but not involved. Was the picture of him actually holding the wreath from a different ceremony or something?
I don't think, because it's irrelevant to the context of the argument-labours radical policies didn't turn off voters.
Same problem with Bernie
No it was a politician in a corner getting slippery with words to give himself some wriggle room.
A bit like ‘I didn’t have sexual relations with that woman”.
Thats not quite correct, they were a irrelevemce under Kinnock, labour were in a similar situation towards the end of hs time as it was Thatchers unpopularity rather than his popularity thst was turning people to vote for them.
If the comservatives didnt have such a vacuous arsehole at the helm then Corbyns labour wouldnt be getting a look in and would be very much labouring under a “looney left” tag as he has zero credibility.
As for the last labour government being “very good”, i could spend all day pulling that apart, yes they did some good things, they also did some bad things, some really bad things, some discraceful and anti democratic things, they attacked personal freedoms amd freedom of speech, introduced and abused and misused anti terror laws, and were one step away from introducing inprisonment without charge for three fecking months for nothing more than “thought crimes”.
But when he made that statement he had seen the pictures of himself actually holding the wreath at the ceremony? Not exactly super slick. What is he trying to suggest participation entails?
I'm afraid this makes you a cult member.
I tend to find Bernie's less prone to things like this than Corbyn, but suppose he's in a position where he's not really the active leader of a party, despite his stature/profile. I also think though that he's a far better speaker than Corbyn and generally comes across better than him overall. Although probably helps him that his opposite party over there are much more extreme than the Tories here. Although on age, yeah, similarities are a lot more obvious.
To be fair he had his supporters denying he was at an event that he had written himself he was at and when they saw pictures of him there.
You can't really blame them for thinking 'just lie, they'll swallow anything', would work.
Ah right, I see what you mean, it does support that point of view.
Your linking it with Conservative voters support of Brexit led me to consider the Brexit aspect of I'm afraid, an unintentional consequence I'm sure. Given Labour's support.
2017 Corbyn is a neoliberal Blairite scumbag who should be deselected.
Feel like this kinda misses the point. Even if Corbyn didn't lay a wreathe the fact he was there at the time associating openly with people commemorating terrorists is where the problems stems from for a lot of people.
Evil Netanyahu taking the moral high ground 
This is basically what needs to happen. Similar policies without the baggage.
Have I turned into Winston or something? How can I help seeing what is in front of my own eyes? He's literally photographed at the foot of the grave holding a wreath and offering prayers.
Doesn't seem like there's an obvious choice right now is the only problem. Would be very interesting to see what'd happen if he were to resign.
'Baggage' would return to not being an issue, as a man complicit in torture would be heralded back as a hero to run against Little Miss Work Capability Assessments for the leadership.
Don't think he should resign tbh and I'm pretty sure he won't. Him resigning now doesn't do anyone good.
There's not an obvious choice given the only MPs who get a fair about of media attention are the ones who aren't on the same page and have grievances to air. Ummuna, Khan, Phillips and a couple of others of the "younger" age Labour ranks seem to be very opportunistic and no doubt eyeing up the job in the future. The 2017 intake who align more with Corbyn aren't going to be taken too seriously since Corbyn himself hasn't really built from the positivity from last year.
I'm admittedly not to knowledgeable on the extent to which the new MP's last year aligned with Corbyn vs the centre of the party. Could be crucial when it comes to ballot nominations from MP's - if there's enough for a left-wing candidate then I imagine McDonnell would run and then become leader quite comfortably. Which certainly won't placate those who find Corbyn too extreme.
You're right that Bernie wouldn't be in this mess simply because he's generally more moderate. The worst that they've hit him with is being at a Sandanista rally where someone chanted Death to America or Yankees go home or something.
My comparison with Corbyn was about having replacements. AOC, Ellison, Grijalva, Jayapal, Merkley - none of these are at all famous.
If we're in laughing smiley mode how about Diane Abbott?I'm admittedly not to knowledgeable on the extent to which the new MP's last year aligned with Corbyn vs the centre of the party. Could be crucial when it comes to ballot nominations from MP's - if there's enough for a left-wing candidate then I imagine McDonnell would run and then become leader quite comfortably. Which certainly won't placate those who find Corbyn too extreme.
Don't think Abbott would ever be taken seriously since she was regularly maligned as Shadow HS in the lead-up to last year's election. McDonnell, in spite of everything that puts people off him, is quite effective as a politician.
More so than I expected to be honest. Must be what forty years of studying Mao does for you.
I don’t think McDonnell would be picked for his similar weaknesses to Corbyn, in particular comments about the IRA. A ‘fresh start’ would be needed, though I’ve no idea who would be picked. It’s going to be a mess.
I’m going to love seeing the momentum lot turn on each other though... more and more will suggest that Corbyn should go after this.
I’m going to love seeing the momentum lot turn on each other though... more and more will suggest that Corbyn should go after this.
It was already happening over Brexit, actually. More and more of even his own support base are growing increasingly frustrated at his position.
Thornberry?
Good at soundbites
First female leader
Close enough to Corbyn to get the ok from momentum
Anybody But Corbyn could get a big whack of the more centrist vote
Experience as shadow
Attorney general
Employment
Defence
Brexit
State
Would be my bet (also bookies favourite)
I reckon Lammy would be a good shout. He's been very good on Windrush, Grenfell and he's in the right place on Brexit.
Yes, why should a politician who trades amongst his fans on his integrity and honesty resign for being as slippery and dishonest as the next politician?
What has Corbyn's 2018 been like so far?
We're in August and from memory I have: the antisemitism row and that rally where he waved at people. I'm not being completely facetious, I genuinely can't remember anything of note.
Anyone?
We're in August and from memory I have: the antisemitism row and that rally where he waved at people. I'm not being completely facetious, I genuinely can't remember anything of note.
Anyone?