I wonder if it's too late to get Dennis Skinner running for PM?
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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I wonder if it's too late to get Dennis Skinner running for PM?
So what you are saying is that if everyone was kind to Jeremy, he’d be ahead?
The truth is if Corbyn didn’t divide opinion so badly, he would be ahead. But he does spilt opinion, for valid reasons, and that’s why he’s not ahead.
No idea. Not my problem.
Skinner's great on a lot and has always been a good speaker, but a bit of a relic in a lot of respects, never seemed interested in it, and is also pro-Brexit.
So you admit you don't know what you're talking about? Good stuff. Given you acknowledge that it might be an idea to tone down your posting. Know nothing billy big bollocks is not a good look.
Your statement on laying a wreath is still dumb no matter how authentic you believe your actions would be. Adults are responsible for their own actions (though your playground choice of insult might explain why you fail to understand this).
Yeah, what we really need is a young person who's left wing in Labour. We don't have any at the moment, they're all too blairite.
No. It's not. Authenticity trumps absolute knowledg for me. I'm not an asshat that runs through life looking for downside. I'm an optimist that places faith in people.
I've literally suggested that I'd own my own actions and place adequate blame on those that sought to deceive me or take advantage of my good nature. In my thought problem I accept that it would be my fault that I laid the wreath. But my original intent would still be authentic and I wouldn't regret it.
I had no knowledge of Corbyn and potential IRA ties. I'm in an airport waiting lounge. I haven't explored. Which is why I told @balaks that I'd read more, then comment.
Your response is typical of an Internet forum. "He admitted he doesn't know X, I'll take that as evidence he's not familiar with the alphabet". Go play with your damn crayons. Comment again when you understand subtlety and nuance.
It's possible to hold two issues in your head that run contrary to each other. Give it a go. Take a paracetamol if your head starts ringing.
No. It's not. Authenticity trumps absolute knowledg for me. I'm not an asshat that runs through life looking for downside. I'm an optimist that places faith in people.
I've literally suggested that I'd own my own actions and place adequate blame on those that sought to deceive me or take advantage of my good nature. In my thought problem I accept that it would be my fault that I laid the wreath. But my original intent would still be authentic and I wouldn't regret it.
I had no knowledge of Corbyn and potential IRA ties. I'm in an airport waiting lounge. I haven't explored. Which is why I told @balaks that I'd read more, then comment.
Your response is typical of an Internet forum. "He admitted he doesn't know X, I'll take that as evidence he's not familiar with the alphabet". Go play with your damn crayons. Comment again when you understand subtlety and nuance.
It's possible to hold two issues in your head that run contrary to each other. Give it a go. Take a paracetamol if your head starts ringing.
So's Corbyn.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.pol...ng-hamas-friends-hezbollah-anti-semitism/amp/
Another example would be referring to one of the planners of a 2003 suicide attack in Jerusalem as "brother" and saying that he's glad the guy was released from prison (he'd been serving seven life sentences but was released as part of the Gilad Shalit exchange deal) -https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...r-a3899281.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true
I have no idea how we've reached this point. I made a flippant post about someone "inadvertently" laying a wreath (a fecking hilarious excuse if ever there was one) and you decided to jump on it, tell me my head was up my ass and that you'd lay a wreath at a child molesters grave.
I replied flippantly again (a part of me thought you were joking) and you called me a knobber while doubling down on your wreath laying belief.
I'll admit my last post to you was condescending but given the insult and your ridiculous defence of "I trust people who tell me to do things" I felt it was deserved. Now you're telling me to go and play with crayons and take paracetamol?
What are we even arguing? What are we debating? That you believe it's a common occurrence for someone to inadvertently lay a wreath? That we should always trust people who tell us to lay wreaths? That we shouldn't be asshats running through life looking for downsides? Seriously, what the hell is going on?
You took offence to a flippant post at the outset and this has just snowballed. I was initially having some fun with my responses but this has become a complete waste of time. I'm not interested in the grand online war you appear to be spoiling for.
Have a safe flight and when you get back to land go and do something you find relaxing. You'll feel better. Then reread our exchange and see if you still feel it's worth this aggravation. Spoiler - it's not.
As a connoisseur of passive-aggression I’d just like to say that last post is an absolute doozy. Bravo!
The idea of Israel's political policy being compared to that of the Nazis is abhorrent. Being investigated by a political party on the other hand...
It's not just about 'cuddling up to the media' but the full suite of public relations and creating a public image that people outside of your own circles can buy into and would want to vote for. Corbyn's been abysmal at that, and that he hasn't really tried engaging with the media is terrible.
A classic.
Someone telling a Jew they're incorrect to feel persecuted because of lack of action against antisemitism, then laughing off comparison with the Nazis.
I see.
I see.
Oh man, I hope she gets in lots of trouble for that. Awful.
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So what would the media be getting in return for pushing this public image? He'd have to drop Leveson 2 for a start, because the Tories are against implementing that. Which is, in part why they supported them so passionately in the run up to the election. Same goes for tax loopholes and particularly targeting tax havens.
Yeah, good luck with that.
God can Margaret housing for whites only Hodge just feck off.
Think she has really jumped the shark here. Rightly or wrongly this will give plenty of ammunition to those arguing that anti-semitism is merely being used as a stick to beat Corbyn with. Although I suspect it will matter little as a split into a new party seems imminent.
The Blairites are all career politicians who wouldn't join a third party for fear of never getting to be headboy/girl of the country.
That's been imminent almost as long as Vesuvius' next eruption.
It would be 6 months before it split into half a dozen factions. Jess Phillips and Rees-Mogg would have launched a Gogglebox spin-off.
Do you reckon she's got any shares in Somerset Capital Management yet?
I wondered how long it would be until you got on to Jess Phillips and Rees-Mogg.
That’d be like Christmas and Birthday rolled into one for you!
Margaret Hodge's interview was a shitshow. I wish the Labour Friends of Israel would be disbanded. Is there something similar for another country? Why can't Israel be criticised? Feck em! "There's a thing line between pro Palestine and anti-Semitism". No there isn't fecking dimwit.
Len McClusky didn't need to add his own opinions. The quicker this thing dies the better.
Len McClusky didn't need to add his own opinions. The quicker this thing dies the better.
The funny thing is that, yet again, I think the smears have made him stronger.
I think the Press Complaints Commission will back him, and I think Margaret Hodge has scored an almighty own goal with her disgusting comments today.
I think the Press Complaints Commission will back him, and I think Margaret Hodge has scored an almighty own goal with her disgusting comments today.
You should be very careful when laying a wreath for a good reason and in good faith?! Behave.
So what's the story then? Corbyn went to Tunisia in support of and to remember terrorists? Get a grip people. It's embarrassing that this is even a story.
If you're a politician, then yes, you should be incredibly careful in who you associate with, and who you're honouring at an event. I'm baffled anyone would disagree with that notion?
Don't know about him being stronger. The party is certainly weaker. The people who support him still do, those who don't still won't. The needle isn't moving.
It won't until one side breaks away. Which I think will come sooner rather than later if Unite manages to get mandatory reselection at the labour conference.
Nothing to with what the ‘wreath symbolises’ you know that and so does everyone else.
Corbyn is a leader of a major political party under scrutiny because of his own words, actions and associations. It's quite a dark twist for democratic discourse that his supporters genuinely seem to consider that to be beyond the pale now.
Maybe someone who likes Boris Johnson could write a column saying "Boris Johnson compared an opening on a garment to an opening on an object....HE'S WORSE THAN IDI AMIN!" in some strange attempt to try and mock anyone with legitimate concerns about what he wrote in his column.
I think it's maybe a consequence of people who have spent years forming their own political views without any real scrutiny. Prior to 2015 who really cared what Jeremy Corbyn had to say on anything? He could have regularly attend a cult meeting where everyone masturbates to pictures of the Queen's dead mum and aside from maybe a couple of words on page 15 of the Telegraph, who'd care?
Now he's actually being subject to study of what he's said, why he said it and his given reasons are being dissected and analysed - you know, like what happens to every politician - that by contrast it feels to him and his supporters as if he's being unfairly treated. Hence the arm flailing and the sarcastic comparisons and utter, utter disbelief anyone doesn't just take the word of their favourite politician as gospel.
Maybe someone who likes Boris Johnson could write a column saying "Boris Johnson compared an opening on a garment to an opening on an object....HE'S WORSE THAN IDI AMIN!" in some strange attempt to try and mock anyone with legitimate concerns about what he wrote in his column.
I think it's maybe a consequence of people who have spent years forming their own political views without any real scrutiny. Prior to 2015 who really cared what Jeremy Corbyn had to say on anything? He could have regularly attend a cult meeting where everyone masturbates to pictures of the Queen's dead mum and aside from maybe a couple of words on page 15 of the Telegraph, who'd care?
Now he's actually being subject to study of what he's said, why he said it and his given reasons are being dissected and analysed - you know, like what happens to every politician - that by contrast it feels to him and his supporters as if he's being unfairly treated. Hence the arm flailing and the sarcastic comparisons and utter, utter disbelief anyone doesn't just take the word of their favourite politician as gospel.
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Just seen Hodge's interview on sky making the comparison to 1930s nazi germany. What a feckwit, even the missus had to turn over because of its ridiculousness and she's politically apathetic