Luckily, all of the people you'll ever get to admit they voted Tory all explained in that little comments box on the ballot paper, that this didn't mean they agree with targeting the nation's most vulnerable people with savage cuts for the years prior.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Oh sorry, I'll try and keep up.
I was disputing the assertion that labour voters voted on the basis of and are responsible for brexit. It's really astounding that you would try to insult someone's intelligence while displaying such extraordinary levels reading incomprehension.
I didn't try to insult you, I successfully demonstrated you don't know what neoliberal means. You're not alone. Nobody who ever uses it knows what it means. In fact you can always tell the people who don't know what it means as they're the only person who use it. They think it means "Blair" or something.
see what i mean about reading comprehension
or was there a word limit, professor?
How do you manage to get around in life with such a big head, walking through doors must be a killer, no ? Sorry to say this Oscie but your just as thick as the rest of us.
this would explain most economists
No I said you didn't understand what it means not that you couldn't google it. Hence dismissing Brexit as a concern, something that would likely see the biggest ever deregulation of the market, loss of protections from consumers, low corporate taxation and an even greater concentration of capital at the top - and instead think what really is the problem is "neoliberalism"
There's nothing more ideologically neoliberal than Brexit. Yet the answer to everything is the man who wants to do very little to stop this neoliberal wet dream from happening because we should instead be focusing on the ills of neoliberalism.
Again, I was dismissing the idea that people who voted for Labour are responsible for Brexit, as I did here for a similar argument
seriously, learn to fecking read
I mean...it's quite clear that it's a modern form of liberalism with a heavy preference for free-market capitalism. We know what it means.
You certainly didn't dismiss it. You claimed other factors outweighed Brexit, which is a valid opinion, but not one that absolves you of responsibility. Brexit is Corbyn's policy and if you voted for him that's what you voted for.
trying to dismiss*
I have gone a bit, thanks for your patience.It isn't really possible to see neoliberalism as a big threat to society and at the same time champion someone who thinks the best thing to do now is to undertake the biggest neoliberal-to-its-core political insurgency perhaps in modern political history.
Neoliberalism is always used without context. Unless someone is prompted or quizzed as to its meaning, as above. It's always used by Corbyn supporters. Nobody else ever really uses that word. It's a buzzword. It's trendy. It's in vogue in those circles. It's no coincidence that not so long ago you could observe hours and hours of political debate and not once hear that word uttered and now almost every time a Corbynista speaks they're citing the word.
And so we have the contradiction of his supporter base being obsessed with this word that's the latest fad: neoliberalism - yet simultaneously possess almost ambivalence to the greatest example of neoliberal subversion that we are ever likely to see. Or at the very least they support the idea that this neoliberal utopia is inevitable so he's right to do little to stop it (after all it's what the people voted for) and we should instead move on and accept the real fight to be had is against.....oh, neoliberalism.
Neoliberalism is always used without context. Unless someone is prompted or quizzed as to its meaning, as above. It's always used by Corbyn supporters. Nobody else ever really uses that word. It's a buzzword. It's trendy. It's in vogue in those circles. It's no coincidence that not so long ago you could observe hours and hours of political debate and not once hear that word uttered and now almost every time a Corbynista speaks they're citing the word.
And so we have the contradiction of his supporter base being obsessed with this word that's the latest fad: neoliberalism - yet simultaneously possess almost ambivalence to the greatest example of neoliberal subversion that we are ever likely to see. Or at the very least they support the idea that this neoliberal utopia is inevitable so he's right to do little to stop it (after all it's what the people voted for) and we should instead move on and accept the real fight to be had is against.....oh, neoliberalism.
good point, we should vote for labour centrists or the lib dems who actively support free market deregulation and privatisation instead
Okay, I'm sorry. You definitely know what neoliberal means. It's definitely a complete coincidence that only Corbyn supporters use that word. And there's definitely not a contradiction between seeing neoliberalism as a threat to society and thinking "Brexit must happen" is something someone really opposed to neoliberalism would say.
It's a word that's been around for a long time. I've got a lot to criticise Corbyn on but you're making stuff up here. A move towards increasing nationalisation and opposition to rampant free-market capitalism is clearly anti-neoliberalism. That's not hard to grasp. Although at this point I'm confused as to whether you think Corbyn's too left-wing, whether you don't think he's left-wing enough, or if you'll happily criticise him on anything at all.
Out of interest, if Corbyn's polling really started to improve over the next couple of months and he built up a steady lead, would your stance change?
Again, I can see your point now. The best way to oppose free market deregulation and privatisation is to refuse to oppose the path that Liam Fox, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson wish to take.
Because if there's one thing Labour can do to avoid complete deregulation it's decide that it's definitely the right thing to do to assume Michael Gove has that covered, and move onto other more important things.
Have you ever thought about why so many Labour members, a majority of who despise Brexit, gave Corbyn such a big mandate? Have you considered that, despite being at odds on such a big issue, the alternative is worse for them?
that's not what labour is doing though, your absolutely boi Vince Cable is one of the major reasons the ERG's amendments passed. He thought it was be a better use of his time to explore the option of starting a new party than going to parliament and voting against it.
I can't help but notice that you respond to posts very, very quickly. Yet it took fifteen minutes earlier to go from being asked what neoliberal means to coming back with a definition.
I'm a disgusting smoker who fecks off outside every so often - for future reference.
He was popular enough to force a hung parliament, the blarites were convinced he'd lead Labour to a wipe out
Israel has the fullest support from the west, only the mildest critism is ever leveled and little action taken to constrain its treatmemt towards the Palestinians. Why would Israel be interested in a peace deal when it's under so little pressure?
It's not talking to the Palestinians that is preventing a peace deal
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Cheers. Thought I recognised the tone.
He finished second in a race where his main opposition shot them self in the foot....
Oooooooh Jeremy corbyn.... Oooooooh Jeremy Corbyn (fade to a second electoral defeat in a few years)
As shite as the Tories were they still got way more positive press and spent way more money
On and on it goes.
He forced a hung parliament despite back stabbing from blairites in his own party and a ridiculous press campaign against him, one that seems to still be ongoing.
If you don't like the bloke then fair enough, that's democracy. But to write off what he achieved during that election is such an over simplistic manner is a bit much.
Yes it's true, those four accounts with about 2000 followers between them are truly representative of the few hundred thousand people who've joined Labour since 2015. Especially the last one which has 13 followers and whose last tweet before that one was in 2013.
Ssshhhh Oscie doesn't look beyond writing of any kind. Especially if it's in the mail or the telegraph
So you need to have a lot of followers and a long tweeting history to have a valid opinion these days? Modern life is bollocks.
I thought the Last Leg make jokes about everyone?
It's more that if you want to make a generalisation about a group of people based on 4 tweets and be taken seriously you should make an effort to choose tweets that demonstratively represent that group of people. Although maybe that's too much to expect given the poster.
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But it wasn't just four Tweets. Anyone can go on social media and see the response. It was intended to be representative - and it was. There are hundreds and hundreds of humourless, po-faced reaction, and there always is whenever there's a piece of lampooning of the Dear Leader. Look at the response to the Tracy Ulman sketch a few weeks back. It's the same response whenever there's an interview, or news piece. Anything that isn't sycophancy is not tolerated by these people. Demonstrated over and over again.
It isn't normal or healthy to treat a politician like that.
It isn't normal or healthy to treat a politician like that.
I remember the SWP when I was at uni. Humourless sad sacks, the lot of them.
To match anecdotes with anecdotes, I follow a broad swathe of people on twitter which includes a lot of the 'famous' left-wing Labour affiliated folks and a huge number of broadly left-wing folk who feel that Corbyn brought them/brought them back into the Labour camp. Not a single one of them has mentioned The Last Leg. Of the people I follow on Twitter I'd say a majority of the ones who mention politics are 'pro-Corbyn', and yet the first i heard of the Last Leg stuff was when I logged onto the forum and saw you talking about the alleged Corbynite overreaction to it. Almost as if your idea of what a current Labour supporter looks like is a strawman you've constructed from selectively picked twitter accounts
It's not anecdotal, it's widespread, observable behavior that is displayed time and time again whenever Corbyn is questioned. This is the thing with Corbyn supporters the only reality they'll accept is the one they like. So we have to pretend that his previous links, associations and praise for terrorist organisations doesn't matter, because the real truth is "he's a man of peace". We can't observe his utterly disastrous record when it comes to success in pushing the party's narrative on any issue you care to name, because that's a "smear". We can't mention that. We we're not allowed to believe that the irreparable damage he's doing to Labour's standing within the Jewish community by not fully adopting the IHRA defined examples of anti-antisemitism.
We're only allowed to look at the polls if they show Labour in the lead, and with that we're not even allowed to notice that a within-margin-of-error poll lead for an opposition vs a mid-term govt in power for 8 years that has the record, division and widespread unpopularity of the govt, whose flagship policy idea 70% of the population thinks is "doing badly" - isn't particularly great.
We're only allowed to look at the polls if they show Labour in the lead, and with that we're not even allowed to notice that a within-margin-of-error poll lead for an opposition vs a mid-term govt in power for 8 years that has the record, division and widespread unpopularity of the govt, whose flagship policy idea 70% of the population thinks is "doing badly" - isn't particularly great.