Do we all get a Brexit based advent calendar?
Maybe we should have brexit carrols too "On the second day of brexit my true love gave to me...2 curved banannas and a boat full of OAPs".
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Do we all get a Brexit based advent calendar?
Maybe we should have brexit carrols too "On the second day of brexit my true love gave to me...2 curved banannas and a boat full of OAPs".
That would be awesome but instead of getting a nice chocolate gift every day we each have to stick a fiver into a bin and burn it. Then on the big day of Brexit freedom we are each gifted with a lovely big turd wrapped up in a bow.
As Brexiters are unable to list any realistic benefits of Brexit and as no deal is what the Brexiters really want, because they know they can't or shouldn't cherry pick, out means out after all, surely the benefits are hidden somewhere in these technical notices, can we find them.
'five millllllllioon unemployed'
Ive just read a couple
and I'm not a lot clearer how this will all work for larger companies with transfer pricing.... I mean in this age of networked teams working on projects together what happens if say to deliver a UK project I have a team of 5 engineers 2 in the UK 1 in france and 2 in germany working up a solution and internally the german division / french division apply an internal charge - is this now subject to VAT? - honestly coudnt tell you after reading that? (would assume not as it would be so harmful to larger companies and a nightmare admin wise)
Also say I need a specialist crane from a supplier and they have maybe 2 in europe of the size required... if the Uk one is busy on a job do I have to have import papers (and pay a customs charge?) to bring over the one from the continent (which I might not know about till a day or two in advance) - honestly not sure how this will work at all but a really tricky area I think
both examples for a current highways project we are delivering in UK... probably due to happen around April 2019... gee thanks for the clarity in the guidance notes
Also the notes basically say we dont know what will happen with ireland but we want to treat it differently we just dont know how (paraphrasing) - so yeah I think No deal is looking likely as its clear there is no real vision as to how to solve the ireland boarder mess
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Still haven't had a chance to read any but on your examples, for the crane I would guess you would have to declare it as a temporary import, which will be subject to customs check in and outwards + necessary documentation, the cost of the documentation + admin time + being stuck in ports plus any charge for bringing it into the Uk if there is one.
On the VAT I would think if your French or German office are separate companies from the UK and invoice the UK office, yes there would be VAT.
Overall it will be an admin nightmare as Brexiters drag the UK screaming into the 1950s.
Another point is how accurate these documents will be legally. Considering that just from reading Raab's speech they don't understand WTO rules and also expect to implement new trade deals they will have negotiated by day one which is 30 March 2019. Insanity.
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Don't you need a UK permit and registration and iirc you need import papers but not necessarily custom charges.
See now i can't help procrastinating...I've got
12 layers of red tape,
11 border crossings,
10-tion in Ireland
Nien trade deals,
8.5 net contribution,
7 years of Boris,
6 banks be leaving,
5 million freezing,
Four-ty miles of traffic,
3-dom of movement,
2 Bent bannans
And a boat full of OAPs
Here all week folks
See now i can't help procrastinating...I've got
12 layers of red tape,
11 border crossings,
10-tion in Ireland
Nien trade deals,
8.5 net contribution,
7 years of Boris,
6 banks be leaving,
5 million freezing,
Four-ty miles of traffic,
3-dom of movement,
2 Bent bannans
And a boat full of OAPs
Here all week folks
Initially Id think no on the French German as I would assume its under transfer pricing regs (though my accountant has just confirmed he is not sure how this will work based on the guidence) not an actual invoice etc... and as for the crane yeah and at over 40k a day for said crane then its a hefty bill if its in a port for a few days
currently they just jump on a ferry along with 20 or so support wagons and rock up
Have never needed to do anything different to a UK hire at the moment (as I hire it from the UK arm of the crane company) - but i am wondering how that might change now as these companies have far more work in Europe than the UK the big stuff that pays for its self by travelling all over the continent will for sure become EU registered
See now i can't help procrastinating...I've got
12 layers of red tape,
11 border crossings,
10-tion in Ireland
Nien trade deals,
8.5 net contribution,
7 years of Boris,
6 banks be leaving,
5 million freezing,
Four-ty miles of traffic,
3-dom of movement,
2 Bent bannans
And a boat full of OAPs
Here all week folks
See now i can't help procrastinating...I've got
12 layers of red tape,
11 border crossings,
10-tion in Ireland
Nien trade deals,
8.5 net contribution,
7 years of Boris,
6 banks be leaving,
5 million freezing,
Four-ty miles of traffic,
3-dom of movement,
2 Bent bannans
And a boat full of OAPs
Here all week folks
Post of the fecking year.
NO MORE FOREIGN CRANES. BRITISH JOBS FOR BRITISH CRANES.
See now i can't help procrastinating...I've got
12 layers of red tape,
11 border crossings,
10-tion in Ireland
Nien trade deals,
8.5 net contribution,
7 years of Boris,
6 banks be leaving,
5 million freezing,
Four-ty miles of traffic,
3-dom of movement,
2 Bent bannans
And a boat full of OAPs
Here all week folks
Like itThe first boat load of OAPs from Spain should be leaving shortly.
So, I looked around and currently registrations are recognized in all EU countries and qualifications too, so if I'm not mistaken the operator is also good to go. But in the scenario that you proposed things get complicated, you need several certificates for taxes, category and registration and that's without considering the driver/operator.
We might want to sort that one out urgently
.We might want to sort that one out urgently
Add it to the list..
As soon as someone from the UK government opens their mouth the pound falls.
As it has now gone down to €1.1082 I hope it doesn't collapse completely before I complete a transaction in the next few weeks.
As it has now gone down to €1.1082 I hope it doesn't collapse completely before I complete a transaction in the next few weeks.
My chest.See now i can't help procrastinating...I've got
12 layers of red tape,
11 border crossings,
10-tion in Ireland
Nien trade deals,
8.5 net contribution,
7 years of Boris,
6 banks be leaving,
5 million freezing,
Four-ty miles of traffic,
3-dom of movement,
2 Bent bannans
And a boat full of OAPs
Here all week folks
Ouch chancellor just confirmed no deal= 5-10% off GDP.
Will post the full release when I get in.
Will post the full release when I get in.
See now i can't help procrastinating...I've got
12 layers of red tape,
11 border crossings,
10-tion in Ireland
Nien trade deals,
8.5 net contribution,
7 years of Boris,
6 banks be leaving,
5 million freezing,
Four-ty miles of traffic,
3-dom of movement,
2 Bent bannans
And a boat full of OAPs
Here all week folks
Excellent.Brilliant post.See now i can't help procrastinating...I've got
12 layers of red tape,
11 border crossings,
10-tion in Ireland
Nien trade deals,
8.5 net contribution,
7 years of Boris,
6 banks be leaving,
5 million freezing,
Four-ty miles of traffic,
3-dom of movement,
2 Bent bannans
And a boat full of OAPs
Here all week folks
For immediate release
Chancellor confirms forecast of “No Deal” Brexit economic hit
In response to a letter from Rt Hon Nicky Morgan MP, Chair of the Treasury Committee, requesting the Treasury provide the Committee with its detailed impact assessment of a no deal Brexit, the Chancellor has responded by confirming that a no deal / WTO Brexit will result in a 5% – 10% hit to UK GDP with the largest negative impacts being felt in the North East and Northern Ireland.
Additionally, the Government’s “No Deal” Brexit notices have highlighted the difficulties that will be faced under a no deal scenario, including:
Financial Services
· EEA-based customers of UK firms currently passporting into the EEA, including UK citizens living in the EEA, may lose the ability to access existing lending and deposit services, insurance contracts (such as a life insurance contracts and annuities or pensions) due to UK firms losing their rights to passport into the EEA, affecting the ability of their EEA customers to continue accessing their services.
Customs
Before importing goods from the EU, a business will need to:
· Register for an UK Economic Operator Registration and Identification (EORI) number. Businesses do not need to do anything now. There will be further information available later in the year. For those businesses that sign up for the EU Email updates, they will be contacted when this service becomes available.
· Ensure their contracts and International Terms and Conditions of Service (INCOTERMS) reflect that they are now an importer.
· Consider how they will submit import declarations, including whether to engage a customs broker, freight forwarder or logistics provider (businesses that want to do this themselves will need to acquire the appropriate software and secure the necessary authorisations from HMRC). Engaging a customs broker or acquiring the appropriate software and authorisations form HMRC will come at a cost.
· decide the correct classification and value of their goods and enter this on the customs declaration.
When importing goods from the EU, a business will need to:
· Have a valid EORI number.
· Make sure that their carrier has submitted an Entry Summary Declaration at the appropriate time.
· Submit an import declaration to HMRC using their software, or get their customs broker, freight forwarder or logistics provider to do this for them.
· Pay Value Added Tax (VAT) and import duties including excise duty on excise goods unless the goods are entered into duty suspension (for example a customs or excise warehouse – a financial security will be required to cover the duty liability of the goods whilst they are being moved to the warehouse).
· Once excise goods leave a customs suspensive arrangement, they may be immediately entered into an excise duty suspension regime. A business will need to declare the goods on EMCS for onward movement via a Registered Consignor.
Tariffs
In the event of “no deal”, goods traded between the UK and the EU after 23h on 29 March 2019 will be subject to the same requirements as third country goods, including the payment of duty. Under World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules, the principle of most-favoured-nation (MFN) treatment means that, unless a preferential agreement is in place, the same rate of duty, on the same good, must be charged to all WTO members equally.
· In a ‘no deal’ scenario, trade with the EU will be on non-preferential, WTO terms. This means that MFN tariffs and non-preferential rules of origin would apply to consignments between the UK and EU.
· The EU will apply its MFN rates to goods imported into the EU from the UK.
· The UK will apply its MFN rates to goods imported into the UK from the EU. The government will determine and publish these new UK duty rates before we leave the EU.
VAT
In the event of “no deal” all goods entering the UK as parcels sent by overseas businesses will be liable for VAT (unless they are already relieved from VAT under domestic rules, for example zero-rated children’s clothing).
· For parcels valued up to and including £135, a technology-based solution will allow VAT to be collected from the overseas business selling the goods into the UK. Overseas businesses will charge VAT at the point of purchase and will be expected to register with an HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) digital service and account for VAT due.
On the impact of “No Deal” on the UK economy, Mrs Morgan said:
“The Chancellor has confirmed that the Government forecasts a disastrous hit to our economy and living standards in the event of a ‘no deal’ Brexit. The Committee will expect an updated analysis to be published in good time to inform Parliament’s key decisions on the final deal.
“The Chancellor has not committed to producing an analysis of the short-term economic fallout of a ‘no deal’ Brexit. The Committee will continue to press the Treasury for a robust and high-quality short- and long-term analyses of the economic consequences of Brexit so that Parliament can take properly informed decisions in the coming months.
“The Committee also continues to engage with the Bank of England and the OBR on their analyses of the short-term impact of Brexit.”
On the “No Deal” Brexit notices, Mrs Morgan said:
“The ‘No Deal’ Brexit notices have highlighted the myriad of additional tariffs, taxes, and red tape that businesses and households would need to comply with in order to go about their day-to-day lives.
“The British citizens living in the EU who may lose access to their pensions and other basic financial services such as their current accounts will be extremely concerned.
“It is clear that the Government’s mantra that “no deal is better than a bad deal” is dead in the water, and that no deal is in fact a very, very bad deal.”
--Ends--
Notes to Editors
· The Government’s “No Deal” Brexit Notices have been published here:
· The Chancellor’s letter to Nicky Morgan on the economic impact of “No Deal” has been published here:
Chancellor confirms forecast of “No Deal” Brexit economic hit
In response to a letter from Rt Hon Nicky Morgan MP, Chair of the Treasury Committee, requesting the Treasury provide the Committee with its detailed impact assessment of a no deal Brexit, the Chancellor has responded by confirming that a no deal / WTO Brexit will result in a 5% – 10% hit to UK GDP with the largest negative impacts being felt in the North East and Northern Ireland.
Additionally, the Government’s “No Deal” Brexit notices have highlighted the difficulties that will be faced under a no deal scenario, including:
Financial Services
· EEA-based customers of UK firms currently passporting into the EEA, including UK citizens living in the EEA, may lose the ability to access existing lending and deposit services, insurance contracts (such as a life insurance contracts and annuities or pensions) due to UK firms losing their rights to passport into the EEA, affecting the ability of their EEA customers to continue accessing their services.
Customs
Before importing goods from the EU, a business will need to:
· Register for an UK Economic Operator Registration and Identification (EORI) number. Businesses do not need to do anything now. There will be further information available later in the year. For those businesses that sign up for the EU Email updates, they will be contacted when this service becomes available.
· Ensure their contracts and International Terms and Conditions of Service (INCOTERMS) reflect that they are now an importer.
· Consider how they will submit import declarations, including whether to engage a customs broker, freight forwarder or logistics provider (businesses that want to do this themselves will need to acquire the appropriate software and secure the necessary authorisations from HMRC). Engaging a customs broker or acquiring the appropriate software and authorisations form HMRC will come at a cost.
· decide the correct classification and value of their goods and enter this on the customs declaration.
When importing goods from the EU, a business will need to:
· Have a valid EORI number.
· Make sure that their carrier has submitted an Entry Summary Declaration at the appropriate time.
· Submit an import declaration to HMRC using their software, or get their customs broker, freight forwarder or logistics provider to do this for them.
· Pay Value Added Tax (VAT) and import duties including excise duty on excise goods unless the goods are entered into duty suspension (for example a customs or excise warehouse – a financial security will be required to cover the duty liability of the goods whilst they are being moved to the warehouse).
· Once excise goods leave a customs suspensive arrangement, they may be immediately entered into an excise duty suspension regime. A business will need to declare the goods on EMCS for onward movement via a Registered Consignor.
Tariffs
In the event of “no deal”, goods traded between the UK and the EU after 23h on 29 March 2019 will be subject to the same requirements as third country goods, including the payment of duty. Under World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules, the principle of most-favoured-nation (MFN) treatment means that, unless a preferential agreement is in place, the same rate of duty, on the same good, must be charged to all WTO members equally.
· In a ‘no deal’ scenario, trade with the EU will be on non-preferential, WTO terms. This means that MFN tariffs and non-preferential rules of origin would apply to consignments between the UK and EU.
· The EU will apply its MFN rates to goods imported into the EU from the UK.
· The UK will apply its MFN rates to goods imported into the UK from the EU. The government will determine and publish these new UK duty rates before we leave the EU.
VAT
In the event of “no deal” all goods entering the UK as parcels sent by overseas businesses will be liable for VAT (unless they are already relieved from VAT under domestic rules, for example zero-rated children’s clothing).
· For parcels valued up to and including £135, a technology-based solution will allow VAT to be collected from the overseas business selling the goods into the UK. Overseas businesses will charge VAT at the point of purchase and will be expected to register with an HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) digital service and account for VAT due.
On the impact of “No Deal” on the UK economy, Mrs Morgan said:
“The Chancellor has confirmed that the Government forecasts a disastrous hit to our economy and living standards in the event of a ‘no deal’ Brexit. The Committee will expect an updated analysis to be published in good time to inform Parliament’s key decisions on the final deal.
“The Chancellor has not committed to producing an analysis of the short-term economic fallout of a ‘no deal’ Brexit. The Committee will continue to press the Treasury for a robust and high-quality short- and long-term analyses of the economic consequences of Brexit so that Parliament can take properly informed decisions in the coming months.
“The Committee also continues to engage with the Bank of England and the OBR on their analyses of the short-term impact of Brexit.”
On the “No Deal” Brexit notices, Mrs Morgan said:
“The ‘No Deal’ Brexit notices have highlighted the myriad of additional tariffs, taxes, and red tape that businesses and households would need to comply with in order to go about their day-to-day lives.
“The British citizens living in the EU who may lose access to their pensions and other basic financial services such as their current accounts will be extremely concerned.
“It is clear that the Government’s mantra that “no deal is better than a bad deal” is dead in the water, and that no deal is in fact a very, very bad deal.”
--Ends--
Notes to Editors
· The Government’s “No Deal” Brexit Notices have been published here:
· The Chancellor’s letter to Nicky Morgan on the economic impact of “No Deal” has been published here:
And this is just the tip of the iceberg, the utopian vision of the Brexiteers.
Yup, makes for bleak reading. All project fear of course. It's going to take a generation or more to get over this economically.
VAT
In the event of “no deal” all goods entering the UK as parcels sent by overseas businesses will be liable for VAT (unless they are already relieved from VAT under domestic rules, for example zero-rated children’s clothing).
· For parcels valued up to and including £135, a technology-based solution will allow VAT to be collected from the overseas business selling the goods into the UK. Overseas businesses will charge VAT at the point of purchase and will be expected to register with an HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) digital service and account for VAT due.
I've just noticed the above. They expect the overseas business to work on behalf of the HMRC, they've got to be jesting. Hope they've already got an agreement with every single business in the whole of the rest of the world.
They really are insane. The VAT and duty are payable at the point of entry by the person who is importing it.
Don't think they've thought this through.
"Admin fees" are going to become a bonanza.
Trying to figure this out, but my brain is pretty frazzled from the 7am shift this morning.
So we're already paying VAT on these imported products, it's not a new thing, it's just about how it is collected by HMRC? The missus buys all of the cat food and supplies from a German company and I'm just wondering if we're going to take a hit on that.
Oh and I'm 99.9% sure this 'technology-based solution' to collect VAT on lower valued items does not exist yet and no company has even been approached about the feasibility of it, same as with the border technology rubbish about the Irish border.
I’m not sure on the VAT part but you’ll take a hit on it in the event of no deal because we’ll become liable for the import duty that we currently don’t pay.
Yeah I forgot to add about the tariff, was just trying to gauge the extent of the hit. So much stuff we import, often without even realising it. When you buy Boss stuff online it is shipped from Germany, for example.
Yes the actual payment of VAT is not a new thing, the problem is how it's collected.
At the moment you buy the cat food and it gets delivered to your door, the VAT you paid is taken care of in the VAT declarations of the German company in its intra-EU section.
Now the government is expecting your German supplier to register with HMRC, yeah right, collect the VAT you've paid and send it to HMRC, of course they will, that's even if the technology existed in the first place. And as Snowjoe says will there be duty payable on the catfood? what about phytosanitary regulations. It's a nightmare. What will happen is the German company won't supply you because it's too much hassle or they ship it to the airport and a forwarder will contact you to pay the duty and VAT and arrange collection or delivery.
Yep, so only the big companies with a decent-sized UK customer base will, but the others will use third party distribution, adding another layer of cost, or just not bother if that extra cost is going to make their products too uncompetitive.
Taking back control of consumer choice and value...
It's going to really hit personal purchases and small companies purchases from the EU. Large companies who buy from all over the world will have some structure in place but not enough if they buy a lot from the EU. Everything will just get much more expensive.
At least MTIC fraud can make a comeback.
UK Government still on vacation, right?
At least we'll get duty free booze in EU countries when we leave, right? I may not have a job, but I'll get cheap booze.
A United Ireland gets closer every day.
Yes that's it, that's the reason they voted to leave, there had to be one benefit somewhere.