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Like no other it doesn't mean that is better or worse. Simply different. Not lying there probably

Question for the experts in the Caf. Ones the UK is out, the other countries/commercial blocks, could resign the commercial trade agreements as they signed for the UK to be in the EU when they sign it?
 
4bars said:
Like no other it doesn't mean that is better or worse. Simply different. Not lying there probably

Question for the experts in the Caf. Ones the UK is out, the other countries/commercial blocks, could resign the commercial trade agreements as they signed for the UK to be in the EU when they sign it?
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Don't understand your question. Are you asking if other countries get the option of UK's post brexit deal?
 
4bars said:
Like no other it doesn't mean that is better or worse. Simply different. Not lying there probably

Question for the experts in the Caf. Ones the UK is out, the other countries/commercial blocks, could resign the commercial trade agreements as they signed for the UK to be in the EU when they sign it?
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You mean could other countries just offer the EU trade terms to the UK... Yes they could but it's probably not in their best interest as the UK is of course a lot smaller than the EU in total the other countries could most probably get better terms... Also where for example the EU deal may have had clauses to say protect olive growers these parts of a deal serve no purpose to the UK... Probably a new deal is the best solution for both parties (or at least one) but these of course take time
 
No, Sorry.

I meant when a trade deal between EU and country X was signed before Brexit, can country X say that the conditions had changed as they were counting on the UK being inside the EU (because some kind of specific export-imports that UK has) and they resign the the trade deal? or a renegotiation?
 
4bars said:
No, Sorry.

I meant when a trade deal between EU and country X was signed before Brexit, can country X say that the conditions had changed as they were counting on the UK being inside the EU (because some kind of specific export-imports that UK has) and they resign the the trade deal? or a renegotiation?
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All trade deals the UK had whilst members of the EU are cancelled as soon as they leave the EU and have to be renegotiated.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Sorry, no, the agreement is with the whole market which could in future also include other countries that may join. Presumably if country X wanted a specific trade deal with the UK they would negotiate a new trade deal with the UK.
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I agree with adding up countries, but maybe not shrinking. Though I guess it might appear in the trade deal somewhere
 
4bars said:
I agree with adding up countries, but maybe not shrinking. Though I guess it might appear in the trade deal somewhere
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Here you have your answer, if you look at CETA:

Geographical scope of application Unless otherwise specified,

this Agreement applies:
(a) for Canada, to: (i) the land territory, air space, internal waters, and territorial sea of Canada; (ii) the exclusive economic zone of Canada, as determined by its domestic law, consistent with Part V of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, done at Montego Bay on 10 December 1982 (“UNCLOS”); and, (iii) the continental shelf of Canada, as determined by its domestic law, consistent with Part VI of UNCLOS;

(b) for the European Union, to the territories in which the Treaty on European Union and the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union are applied and under the conditions laid down in those Treaties. As regards the provisions concerning the tariff treatment of goods, this Agreement shall also apply to the areas of the European Union customs territory not covered by the first sentence of this subparagraph
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Interested in this new 'unique' deal that might be offered.

Feel it will be what uk has with a fiver of payments or a bendy bully.
 
Massive Spanner said:
How do you mean? Three of them have big borders with EU countries.

Also the Irish border is basically non negotiable so I'm not sure what part it could play in a special deal.
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But these borders aren't a problem, they are controlled.
 
JPRouve said:
But these borders aren't a problem, they are controlled.
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I'm still struggling to see what that has to do anything. There are numerous examples of EFTA countries with borders with the EU, much larger borders, so why would Ireland be different if it had to come to that exactly?
 
Massive Spanner said:
I'm still struggling to see what that has to do anything. There are numerous examples of EFTA countries with borders with the EU, much larger borders, so why would Ireland be different if it had to come to that exactly?
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I have no idea why EFTA was mentioned in the first place, they are not a third party when it comes to the EEA, they are part of it.
 
Massive Spanner said:
How do you mean? Three of them have big borders with EU countries.

Also the Irish border is basically non negotiable so I'm not sure what part it could play in a special deal.
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Because someone has to solve the problem of not having a hard border which means NI has to be part of the Customs Union which is not the case with the 4 EFTA members.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Because someone has to solve the problem of not having a hard border which means NI has to be part of the Customs Union which is not the case with the 4 EFTA members.
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But they're all in the Schengen which is basically the same as the CTA isn't it? I know there are "borders" but isn't that more so the countries themselves enforcing them?
 
Massive Spanner said:
But they're all in the Schengen which is basically the same as the CTA isn't it? I know there are "borders" but isn't that more so the countries themselves enforcing them?
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But they're also in the EEA - it's not just people, it's goods, services, jurisdiction etc. The UK don't want to be in the CU or the EEA or Schengen and want to control their borders. The UK can't have it all ways.
Some special offer will be made but will the UK accept and not break the GFA?
 
JPRouve said:
Here you have your answer, if you look at CETA:
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Thanks!

Though CETA was signed after Brexit referendum, a contingency paragraph had to be written, but I imagine that is in every trade deal
 
4bars said:
Thanks!

Though CETA was signed after Brexit referendum, a contingency paragraph had to be written, but I imagine that is in every trade deal
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It's not a contingency paragraph. Every trade deal will specify the geographical scope, the important part in the quote is the language, the EU isn't predetermined for obvious reasons.
 
JPRouve said:
It's not a contingency paragraph. Every trade deal will specify the geographical scope, the important part in the quote is the language, the EU isn't predetermined for obvious reasons.
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I wasn't saying it was a contingency paragraph, I meant it could be (if the other trade deals didn't have it). But yes, I am sure you are 100% right
 
Today's bombshells. Bad for UK:
Panasonic to move Europe headquarters from UK to Amsterdam
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45351288

Panasonic will move its European headquarters from the UK to Amsterdam in October as Brexit approaches.

The aim is to avoid potential tax issues linked to the UK's decision to leave the EU, said Panasonic Europe's chief executive Laurent Abadie.

In the run-up to March 2019, a number of multinational firms have said they plan to move jobs out of the UK.

Several Japanese financial companies have said they intend to move their main EU bases away from London.

Panasonic's decision was driven by a fear that Japan could start considering the UK a tax haven if it cuts corporate tax rates to attract business, Mr Abadie told the Nikkei Asian Review newspaper.
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Good for UK?
https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/0830/988435-france-ready-to-agree-eu-deal-with-uk-after-brexit/

A new Continental structure would see "concentric circles" with the EU and Euro at its core and the UK in a second ring, according to the newspaper.

The claims emerged after the EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier struck an optimistic tone, stating: "We are prepared to offer Britain a partnership such as there never has been with any other third country."

The comments helped trigger a sharp rise for sterling on the money markets.
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Regardless of the Macron story, I expect many more companies to move because why would they stay and take the risk? The tax haven issue angle is surely worrying.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
But they're also in the EEA - it's not just people, it's goods, services, jurisdiction etc. The UK don't want to be in the CU or the EEA or Schengen and want to control their borders. The UK can't have it all ways.
Some special offer will be made but will the UK accept and not break the GFA?
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That's sort of the point though, isn't it? I'm not sure what EFTA has to do with things here when those countries are all in a much closer trading bloc with the EU. If there's one thing the EU won't budge on it's the border imo. They'll tell the UK they need to be in the EEA for it, end of. Ultimately it's their strongest bargaining chip because quite clearly the UK know they are completely f*cked with a hard border.
 
One of my mates at Allianz in Guildford says the company hasn't employed any permanent staff apart from him since, the day this country voted to Leave the EU.
 
Massive Spanner said:
That's sort of the point though, isn't it? I'm not sure what EFTA has to do with things here when those countries are all in a much closer trading bloc with the EU. If there's one thing the EU won't budge on it's the border imo. They'll tell the UK they need to be in the EEA for it, end of. Ultimately it's their strongest bargaining chip because quite clearly the UK know they are completely f*cked with a hard border.
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Yes totally agree.
I was only talking about EFTA members because another poster brought them up as having a special relationship with EU whilst not being an actual EU member.
 
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Adisa said:
One of my mates at Allianz in Guildford says the company hasn't employed any permanent staff apart from him since, the day this country voted to Leave the EU.
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I remember having a conference call with one of the Finance directors of Airbus Industries the day after the Brexit vote and they said that it had effectively just cancelled over £340m of investment overnight in the UK because of the vote with additional uncertainty now about what presence they would keep in the country.

The true cost of this ridiculous decision will be beyond calculation I think. Countless organisations will gradually move their HQ's to within the EU homelands and this will be what grabs the headlines, but this is small beer compared to the reduction in investment we have already suffered and will continue to suffer for generations.

Well done to the Tory Party. Your lack of investment in manufacturing, technology and training threw most of the North of England onto the scrap heap in the 80's, but we rose up and re-trained in software and financial services.

Now you have managed to screw the whole country with Brexit we can expect you to finally sell off the last of the family silver / the lower field so you can keep the crumbling Country House looking good for Trumps next visit
 
357 staff have left the Department for Exiting the European Union in just two years.

665 were initially employed at the Whitehall department.

The average age of those left is 32.

God help us all.
 
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