Which is flatly untrue.
With that said, the blatant lies and disgusting xenophobia employed by the leave campaign and certain 'media' outlets were also outrageous.
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Which is flatly untrue.
With that said, the blatant lies and disgusting xenophobia employed by the leave campaign and certain 'media' outlets were also outrageous.
Rubbish statement.
He should have used this moment to call for a second referendum. He’d be heading to No 10 if he did.
Anyone outraged over the last couple of pages of the childish instagram posts by Tusk? Or those actions are fine?
Of course. Any sane person didn't want a referendum.
They have been condemned in this very thread.
It's probably not as simple as that, although his handling of Brexit has been crap.
It has always been clear to anyone that wasn't blinkered or ignorant. We are the ones that want nothing to do with those options and want something new.
At certain points in that period I'd say yes, right now Europe is a mess. I'm also sorry I missed a documentary with Despicable Dijsselbloem this week who returned to Greece to see poverty caused by him and his mates, he admitted they got it very wrong but that's ok, in 50 years it might return to the 20th century. Him and his sort I'd like to see publicly stoned, they are scum.
I never wanted the referendum.
Sky are saying that she has thrown the ball back into the EU's court with her speech. The things is that she has said nothing new so what has she batted back?
Demands new proposals from EU? What the absolute feck does she think this is? This is the equivalent of a group of friends going out for dinner and one declaring at the end they won't be paying, but can they please see the desert menu and then throwing a strop when the other dinner guests say get the feck on with yourself if you're not paying... Planet Brexit.
As long as you’re happy then eh.
Ps you do realise UKIP were hemoragging votes from major parties 3m at last election before referendum.
Be thankful that Cameron took action (of the referendum) before a potential utter shock of UKIP becoming king-makers or even in power (as absurd as it sounds these days) - you’d have just been extracted out.
Be objective.
Okay, so your initial post was inaccurate and out of context then. I shouldn't have to repeat it regularly but first the EU as a supranational organization isn't perfect, there are multiple examples of mistakes made by the member states and also the EU administration, so at no point we should consider that the EU is perfect and can't be criticized. Greece is an example of it, Greece shouldn't have been in the EU in the first place because they weren't ready for it, their economy and administration weren't ready and we put them in a position where they were bound to fail.
Now it doesn't mean that we should go the other way and act as if the EU was mainly counter productive that would be a total fallacy, from 1952 to 2018 Europe has been in its best shape politically, economically and socially. Of course we witnessed ups and downs and sometimes the answers to downs weren't appropriate but we need to keep in mind that the answers have been mainly provided by national governments and that at a supranational level member states have the last say.
I’m in this camp:
I'm coming to steal your jobs in two months mate... In fact I've already stolen one haha
The delusional camp.
I am objective (unlike you based on this thread) but for me the stability of staying in the EU seems better than the uncertainty and economic harm that Brexit brings.
You do understand that British people will lose their jobs because of Brexit (even more so if it's a no deal)? It's not good for Europe either because it impacts them economically as well. Basically neither side gets anything good out of this.
There was nothing out of context, i work with dozens of people that would love to be close to their families in the poorer parts of europe but inequality of the whole zone means they cant get work or good salaries. All fom has done is break these families up, fantastic job. Might have been better to bring the poorer countries up to standards in he west. I shouldnt have ti repeat myself on this issue but i feel you ignored it the first hundred times.
The naive, fall for all the broken promises and lies camp?
Sorry I don't mean to be rude and actually hope this comes to be. But I have no faith in the Tories to put any money into the NHS.
It was out of context, the context of the discussion was about the EEC not being sold as more than a trade union, that's what Honest John said and he provided the leaflets from the 75 referendum. You then decided to make a point that had nothing to with it and also admitted that it wasn't an accurate one.
I love how the people most happy about brexit in this thread don't even live in the UK. Says it all really.
Yeah, she’s fecked it now.
What would be wrong with UKIP (or any other anti EU party) continuing to campaign until they could win enough seats in parliament and get a mandate for leaving the EU? Daft to suggest a referendum was the best way to go about this. Even millions of leavers would agree with that. It’s the reason we are now in crisis
What would be wrong with UKIP (or any other anti EU party) continuing to campaign until they could win enough seats in parliament and get a mandate for leaving the EU? Daft to suggest a referendum was the best way to go about this. Even millions of leavers would agree with that. It’s the reason we are now in crisis
A party that had never won a seat (ignoring a defection) was about to be king maker? It was Cameron's arrogance after the Scotland referendum (combined with him being oblivious to the risk involved due to knowing nothing about England beyond the rich parts of London and Oxfordshire) that got us into this mess.
Can someone change the thread title, I keep reading it as french sailors with cocks.
Thought you were smarter than that.
Guess I've inadvertently fallen into that category. Want the UK to get absolutely shafted.
The most unhappy dont either
I keep reading "frocks"
The first point can have pretty big implications. Any EU member could veto your WTO membership, other countries would have no reason to trust your signature and there would be trade consequences from your main buyers and sellers. The second point is inaccurate since you control all of those things right now.
Yeah, that's sailors for you.
How is the second point inaccurate?!
Can or cannot anyone from the EU simply just walk in and settle into our country, no questions asked?!
Can we go ahead and do a trade deal with err I dunno, Nigeria for apples with 0% tariffs because our country is in huge need of them?
I don’t have the energy to keep typing, and I come across so aggressive when I type, which I don’t like, but I’m trying to make points - easier to chat in person (as I’ve offered @Raoul!)
The Uk still have to pay the bill, deal or no deal.
There will be no money to invest in the NHS .
Borders you already control, money there won't be much, we know the trading policy already, open day for everyone, dumping ground of the world ; laws the UK make most of them, only the ones reducing the UKs standards and people's rights will be different.
Economic recession, rich people getting richer, poor people getting poorer.
Who could possibly not want this
Oh wait, so it IS all correct and only major issue is now N.Ireland, is that what you’re saying?!
How is the second point inaccurate?!
Can or cannot anyone from the EU simply just walk in and settle into our country, no questions asked?!
Can we go ahead and do a trade deal with err I dunno, Nigeria for apples with 0% tariffs because our country is in huge need of them?
I don’t have the energy to keep typing, and I come across so aggressive when I type, which I don’t like, but I’m trying to make points - easier to chat in person (as I’ve offered @Raoul!)
No, they can't. They have to be working or they're not allowed to stay after a certain period of time.
Ps. Elephant in the room for all of you guys that are so anti Tories and what Cameron did; we were heading for a monumental financial issue, we are errr pretty fecking poor as a nation!
No - I'm asking you to explain how the Irish border issue gets solved in your scenario of all these riches coming our way from a no-deal brexit. No mention of it in that tweet so I'd hoped you could enlighten me.
Damn the rich aristocrats that would want to settle in the UK with all their capital.
Plus, after how long was that consession even considered...no one has time and energy for these jokers in Brussels.
There's very little evidence to suggest austerity really works in the long-term. Most major economists discredit it as an approach.