Ahh there you go - Mr Patronising is back - you, the guy wanting everybody to be civil of course. The biggest hypocrite on the thread.
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Ahh there you go - Mr Patronising is back - you, the guy wanting everybody to be civil of course. The biggest hypocrite on the thread.
But that’s like saying snap election every time an elected government tries to change policy!
I have to disagree tbh. Happy for another referendum one day, in the future if there is a pro EU party hoovering up votes, once we are out.
Apologies I’m making a factual statement. I can’t believe you’re using an argument of carving off various parts of societies to make a weird point IMHO.
No, it's saying that the process we voted for is fundamentally flawed and damaging to the future of the country, and that people are entitled to argue against it.
But that’s subjective to so many people. That’s the problem. For people that are so pro Remain, there are also loads that are equally as passionate re Leave.
It’d be a constitutional crisis IMHO.
Of course it is. I don't see why that matters though. Politics is inherently subjective. I'm not sure I necessarily support another vote so soon but I'll certainly argue a hard Brexit isn't viable in any way, thus making Brexit itself pointless.
I'm using it as an argument because the very fact the border was ignored by the rest of the UK and the fact that most people in NI voted to remain - added to the fact that we seem to be moving closer to a hard border no deal brexit - does give me and my fellow ulstermen and women the feeling of being totally cut off from the rest of the UK. You may not care about that but it is a fact.
For me it’s like trying to vote out a party after an election after they make their first U-turn.
Well fair enough - but tbh I remember it being a bit-part issue at referendum campaign time. Perhaps a misstep by both sides of the campaign (if it, indeed is the biggest issue).
Opposition parties continually argue against the government and when given the power to do so will seek methods through which they can get an election to unseat them. It's hardly some bizarre alien concept. And it tends to be more likely when the government's power/majority is threadbare, which works in this context considering the slim majority with which Brexit won in 2016. If an election was held tomorrow and the Tories won a narrow majority with not that many more seats than Labour, but were found to have lied about a significant aspect of their manifesto, then of course Labour would try to capitalise on that.
That is exactly why the UK has made a total balls up of the negotiations.Generally not caring or giving much thought to Northern Ireland. As I said earlier I do enjoy the irony of it all now that NI is the one issue that the UK are stuck on with no way around other than totally capitulating to Europe. You are continuing on in this vein which is even worse because it is now clear how vital this issue is to Brexit - I can understand you not caring before the vote, to not care now is frankly ignorance and/or arrogance.
Paz with his condescending answers and as soon as someone begins to call out his bullshit, turns to the 'I'm here for a civil debate here, respect me mmkay?' again..
You may not like Paz’s views (I don’t), but it’s proven a couple of things to me:
1. Hardline Brexiters just want to control the borders and couldn’t give a feck about the consequences
2. The Irish border means little to feck all to them
As a result, a second referendum (which isn’t going to happen) may not even result in a reversal of the decision. The sad reality is the majority probably don’t give a shit about NI. At the end of the day, a no deal Brexit is most likely going to happen. We’re going to see a pretty shit uncertain situation in Ireland for a good few years.
1. Hardline Brexiters just want to control the borders and couldn’t give a feck about the consequences
2. The Irish border means little to feck all to them
As a result, a second referendum (which isn’t going to happen) may not even result in a reversal of the decision. The sad reality is the majority probably don’t give a shit about NI. At the end of the day, a no deal Brexit is most likely going to happen. We’re going to see a pretty shit uncertain situation in Ireland for a good few years.
I agree generally but I think the most likely outcome at the moment is a general election and then I hope a decision made for the UK to agree to one of the two options on offer from the EU.
It was definitely emphasised here during the campaign - no idea what happened across the water. People on this island don't want a hard border - it's a big fcuking deal that people on the mainland seemingly have no appreciation of at all. I've spoken to so many people who run businesses that rely on crossing the border on the daily. It's going to be a fcuking disaster.
I think it revealed just how little people give a shit about the situation in N.Ireland (not that we needed reminding).
We'll see how much they don't care when BMW, Honda etc start moving a lot of their production to Slovakia.
A GE is the least likely outcome at the moment. Another referendum is far more likely.
The Tories aren't going to risk losing seats. Not a chance .
I think a GE is very likely as there is no deal currently on offer that the Government could get the required votes for in the commons so they will likely resign. Another referendum is unlikely to change anything sadly.
Always cracks me up that they key protagonists in this thread don’t even live in the UK.
Get rid of her.
Would this require a Labour government?
An alternative that may happen is an extension of the negotiation phase i.e. status quo remains for a few more years.
They may care then, but right now they don’t. Those consequences are down the line. Right now hardline Brexiteers either don’t think it’ll be that bad or just don’t see it happening.
If it does happen after Brexit, then maybe they’ll change their tune.
No I don't think so - I believe that in the end the Government will have no choice but to accept one of the two brexit plans currently on offer from EU - they will then need to put it to the commons which in my view will likely not get the votes, then the government will have no choice but to resign triggering a general election but at least then people will vote knowing that if they vote conservative for example they know what sort of brexit they will be voting for - Labour will have to decide what their view is on the options available - as I said only 2 offers available right now that EU will accept.
This is what I think and hope will happen as the alternative - a no deal brexit - is too awful to contemplate.
I’m just firing back at patronising / condescending posts - I hope I’m allowed that. Not my usual modus operandi though.
You're the one who started the patronizing/condescending posts though.
You are a smart guy, you don't believe the gazillions of pounds a week nonsense spouted by the UKIP crowd, do you?
What’s the actual thing you are referring to?
We’d stop sending £X to the EU that COULD be spent locally instead, yes I’d agree with that.
And in doing so lose multitudes of that in lost trade, currency devaluation and tax revenues.
It's like quitting your job and staying at home to save on petrol.
Yeah but now we can get chlorine washed chicken from America, so every cloud.
I don't think you understand the concept of trade.
Stop wumming from behind your screen in Canada. This is your only warning from me. Enough is enough
I might have to nick that in real life.So does this week make it more or less likely that May gets knifed at the Tory conference?
Really think he's winding up? Have you seen some of the shite spouted in this thread? There's a few remainers that need screening for a start. Difference of opinion does not mean wind up.
It feckin is
Come on Stan you’ve been here long enough to get a feel for this poster. Everything he posts is to get on the nerves of other posters / he has a history of always arguing the unpopular side just to get reactions. The rest of his posts are asking for favors how to get ahead in his business. Enough is enough really
Honestly who knows? Nothing has really changed. Neither Remainers or leavers seem happy with her plan and she still seems to be championing it.