Mourinho tells Paul Pogba he'll never captain Manchester United again

Ban said:
He is to blame for the shit he's saying and the fuss he's making. How do you know everybody loves him? Do you know all United players? Plus a Raiola as his agent.
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To me he is just being a great leader cuz Mourinho has got to go and its long overdue. Mourinho is hurting thr image of the team and individually he is hurting Pogba's prime.
Someone had to speak up. I assume none of the players are happy, they are all top notch and all want to win and play attacking football. Heck everyone is underachieving.
I woulf assume again this isnt isnt just Pogba, this is a locker room mutiny. Who else to speak up but the leader of the team?

How do I know everyone loves Pogba? Its so obvious. Did you see those videos of those speeches he gave during the world cup? Or his snapchat stories..or that video where he greets everyone from French team.
It is perhaps a generational thing and Pogba isnt old school hence might rub some the wrong way that are old school but dayum he is beyond loveable. Just look at the way players respond to him.

Anyhow, no one ever said a bad word about Pogba before. And Mourinho? I could go all day. Besides Mourinho is even worse than before with this generation of players.
 
Can we just have Jose sacked quicker so this rubbish on and off the pitch ends sooner.
 
Sayros said:
Another piece of news meant to trash Pogba's reputation, but once again...name any other coach who has had an issue with Pogba's attitude? It's not as if he's played for easy-going types in Allegri, Conte, or Deschamps. The way the media works, I'll be very curious to see if there's any truth to this. What I do know is that Mourinho seems to be a bigger cancer than Pogba who is someone that's appreciated and loved by all of his teammates. I don't buy that none of them would have an issue being stripped of his role as captain when he basically said what most of them were thinking to begin with.

Time will tell if there's any truth to this. If it is, then in the words of Dr. Strange, we're in the end-game now.
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Quite sure Deschamps did pull him up on his attitude a couple seasons ago.
 
Devil may care said:
Mourinho is responsible for the shit he says as well, he's ran his mouth a lot over the last year and hasn't cared how many times he's shit on individual players or the team as a whole, even saying he'd have Sevilla players in the team over his own players after we lost to them, not once has he ever taken an iota of responsibility for his crappy management in many of our bad results, yet he expects nobody to speak up in defense of themselves or their fellow players ? It's a shit show from both but there is no good guy/bad guy or right and wrong here.
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For once we agree. But Mourinho has made advances to fix the relationship and Pogba is having none of it.
 
I met Ian Holloway in the pub on Friday. I reckon he would be available once Jose is gone.

Far more entertaining than Jose in a post match interview and can't do much worse in terms of coaching...
 
I cant imagine a single player taking Mourinho's side over Pogba...except maybe Matic.
This isnt just Pogba. This is a full on mutiny. Mourinho had the same fallout at Real Madrid and Chelsea. We all know about Mourinho's 3rd year. Its poisonous. Well...here we are.
 
LolYo said:
To me he is just being a great leader cuz Mourinho has got to go and its long overdue. Mourinho is hurting thr image of the team and individually he is hurting Pogba's prime.
Someone had to speak up. I assume none of the players are happy, they are all top notch and all want to win and play attacking football. Heck everyone is underachieving.
I woulf assume again this isnt isnt just Pogba, this is a locker room mutiny. Who else to speak up but the leader of the team?

How do I know everyone loves Pogba? Its so obvious. Did you see those videos of those speeches he gave during the world cup? Or his snapchat stories..or that video where he greets everyone from French team.
It is perhaps a generational thing and Pogba isnt old school hence might rub some the wrong way that are old school but dayum he is beyond loveable. Just look at the way players respond to him.

Anyhow, no one ever said a bad word about Pogba before. And Mourinho? I could go all day. Besides Mourinho is even worse than before with this generation of players.
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Mutiny? That's a big assumption based on nothing. Basing anything on snapchat stories is downright silly.
Pogba is not a leader material nor I think he's a leader in United dressing room.
 
Pogba is a proven winner. He was the best player in a champion Juventus side who are light years ahead of united at the moment. He was a leading player in a world cup winning team. He's clearly a world class footballer.

Mourinho was a great manager, as good as anyone in the game.... five years ago, but he is on the decline. The falling out at Madrid, the implosion at Chelsea, the doctor thing, and the fact others have come along who are better and more advanced. And I think he knows it, and is hitting out at everyone who points it out. Reminds me of Roy Keane in 2005 - was a true great, isn't any more and is reduced to bullying kids.

I'd normally say nobody has the right to question the manager publicly but he's slagged off so many players in public he doesn't deserve that respect.

Pogba every day for me.
 
Someone needs to get a hold of this club. We are drifting.
 
LolYo said:
I cant imagine a single player taking Mourinho's side over Pogba...except maybe Matic.
This isnt just Pogba. This is a full on mutiny. Mourinho had the same fallout at Real Madrid and Chelsea. We all know about Mourinho's 3rd year. Its poisonous. Well...here we are.
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No it isn’t. Have you got proof that the players have gone against the manager?
 
The constant digs in public don't help but I don't think Jose deserves all blame here. At the start of the season it looked like he was extending an olive branch to Pogba when he gave him the captaincy and praised his after Leicester game.

Jose is the type of manager that expects a certain professionalism as he had at previous clubs, that's he clearly not getting at United. At Chelsea he had a strong core of Cech/Terry/Lampard/Essien/Drogba, at Inter the likes of Maicon/Lucio/Zanetti/Cambiasso/Motta/Eto'o. These were self-policing dressing rooms, if guys like Pogba and Martial were in them they'd be more likely to fall in line. Unfortunately Jose didn't inherit that sort of group here and hasn't been able to build one so it's easier for unhappy players to rock the boat. I don't remember Pogba being much of a headcase when he was surrounded by the brilliant pro's at Juventus and I think that's part of the issue at United.
 
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VP89 said:
Combine that with a free reign to put a superstar brand player in his place and it means a lot. No chance Mourinho would stamp his authority on Pogba if his position wasn't fully secure. He's learned from the Casillas situation at Madrid.
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I'm sure even Ed is aware that you have to nip this sort of stuff in the bud - you cannot have a player publicly slating his manager, without facing repercussions. Love him or hate him (I'm certainly drifting into the second camp), the manager's authority is paramount - allow that to be interfered with and things can spiral out of control very quickly. Nobody at the club will want that, certainly not in September.

Ed had to back Jose over this one. That doesn't mean Jose isn't getting canned quicker than tuna come the summer, though.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
We don't know if he is loved. You used to see him with Lukaku, you used to see him with Lingard, now Lingard is best buddies with Rashford. Not sure who is Pogba's friends now. Maybe it is everyone, maybe it is nobody.
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But but snapchat!!
 
BluesJr said:
Depressing to me that this probably indicates we're more willing to sell Pogba than we are to get rid of a manager who's looking very much like he's past his peak.
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I don't think it has any bearing on our likelihood of keeping Jose. A bad season and he's gone, a good one and he'll not be fired but might feck off anyway.

Pogba though. I lost patience with him a long while ago, and every time he earns himself a reprieve, he reverts back to twatting around during games and proves all over again that he will never learn. As he did yet AGAIN on saturday. The spurs game last year where he refused to do what mourinho was asking, should have been his last appearance for us. It's all well and good getting rid of mourinho. Next time Pogba decides he knows better than the manager or puts himself before his team (which is basically every 5 minutes), we're back in the same position with him, regardless of who is in charge.
 
Well one of them will definitely be off in the summer (possibly both actually!)

What a circus this club has become!
 
Pogba needs tobe shipped out asap. He and his agent will keep doing this to the next manager who replaces Jose. Pogba is literally everything wrong with this club however influential or talented he may be. Irrespective of what happens to Jose, Pogba needs to be sold for us to have any sort of peace within the dressing room.
 
Jose backers on here. What was the thoughts on the football heritage shite and the flirting with PSG?
 
I struggle to care at this point to be perfectly honest. Either one of them can feck off at this point and it won't neither fix nor break United. We're going to be a mess for a while anyway (at least until some sort of sensible structure is put in place or we get a manager that's halfway magical like SAF was) and we might as well be a mess without the media BS that these two attract.
 
Chances of Mourinho rubbishing this later tonight are extremely high, irrespective of whether its true or not.
 
LolYo said:
To me he is just being a great leader cuz Mourinho has got to go and its long overdue. Mourinho is hurting thr image of the team and individually he is hurting Pogba's prime.
Someone had to speak up. I assume none of the players are happy, they are all top notch and all want to win and play attacking football. Heck everyone is underachieving.
I woulf assume again this isnt isnt just Pogba, this is a locker room mutiny. Who else to speak up but the leader of the team?

How do I know everyone loves Pogba? Its so obvious. Did you see those videos of those speeches he gave during the world cup? Or his snapchat stories..or that video where he greets everyone from French team.
It is perhaps a generational thing and Pogba isnt old school hence might rub some the wrong way that are old school but dayum he is beyond loveable. Just look at the way players respond to him.

Anyhow, no one ever said a bad word about Pogba before. And Mourinho? I could go all day. Besides Mourinho is even worse than before with this generation of players.
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I agree with this. I feel like the players look upto him and someone like Pogba with the authority he has wouldn't have spoken about our attack without the backing of the players. He is simply expressing what the rest of the dressing room is feeling.
 
Feck sake we have a game in less than an hour's time and this has to come out and overshadow everything. Won't be surprised if we lose the game
 
Ban said:
For once we agree. But Mourinho has made advances to fix the relationship and Pogba is having none of it.
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We don't know what is happening in the dressing room / behind closed doors.

Both are in the wrong here though.
 
fecking shambles, the club is a complete joke at the moment.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Did i missed something? Valencia is our captain and Pogba is vice captain. Right?
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We don't have a vice captain. We only have a captain (Valencia). When he's absent, someone else takes the arm band. It was Pogba previously but now it will most likely be Smalling.
 
GreenHeron said:
Pogba is a proven winner. He was the best player in a champion Juventus side who are light years ahead of united at the moment. He was a leading player in a world cup winning team. He's clearly a world class footballer.
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Sorry but Pogba was nowhere near the best player in that Juventus side. He is a very good player but he is not yet great and his attitude may prevent him from ever truly being great. If Barca want to sign him in the window then let him go because if we are backing his antics over the manager then United are done. If we fire Jose then might as well make Pogba player manager because we are admitting he calls the shots.
 
Infra-red said:
I'm sure even Ed is aware that you have to nip this sort of stuff in the bud - you cannot have a player publicly slating his manager, without facing repercussions. Love him or hate him (I'm certainly drifting into the second camp), the manager's authority is paramount - allow that to be interfered with and things can spiral out of control very quickly. Nobody at the club will want that, certainly not in September.

Ed had to back Jose over this one. That doesn't mean Jose isn't getting canned quicker than tuna come the summer, though.
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Why should he be?
 
I’m not United bashing. I don’t think either Jose or Pogba come out of this well. I believe times have moved on and the way Jose managed from 2002/03 to 2011 at Porto/ Chelsea & Inter doesn’t work now. As a Chelsea fan I will always have a soft spot for Jose, no question in the two times he managed us he made mistakes but I also felt there was humour in his ways, now he seems so serious and unhappy.

Up until a few years ago I have always believed that the money these players were on was obscene but if I was offered stupid money for the job I do (has never happened..damn) I’d take it. What I do expect is that the player be PROFESSIONAL. For me that’s not happening now. We know only too well at Chelsea of players downing tools, I hate my Boss at work but regardless I still alway try and do my best in my job, why do Footballers who are obscenely paid seem to think that they don’t have to abide by the rules?

SAF was a good judge and bombed Pogba out of your club, he could clearly see that despite all the talent Pogba has the potential to be a bad apple. I never quite saw Jose and Utd as a good fit two different styles so as people have already mentioned on this forum can’t see either being at OT for much longer.
 
"3rd season curse is a myth" "Mourinho doesn't always fall out with his players" "Pogba and Mou are fine" etc etc
 
Woodward must be delighted. This is the Disney land he was always hoping to turn the club into. Just imagine how many tweets this will generate.
 
The problem with this Mourinho/Pogba issue is that Mourinho has no leg to stand on when enforcing his seniority as manager because he did the EXACT same thing to Ed Woodward earlier when he tried to undermine Ed's authority.

There's no way Pogba would listen to Mourinho telling him to 'shut up'. It has to be Carrick or McKenna.
 
abdo99 said:
I agree with this. I feel like the players look upto him and someone like Pogba with the authority he has wouldn't have spoken about our attack without the backing of the players. He is simply expressing what the rest of the dressing room is feeling.
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Yeah if the way our fans think this club is fecked, fancy supporting player revolts :lol:

The drama queens once again lapping up journalist bollocks because it entertains them. Wait and see if its true ffs
 
el3mel said:
We don't have a vice captain. We only have a captain (Valencia). When he's absent, someone else takes the arm band. It was Pogba previously but now it will most likely be Smalling.
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Another player openly criticised by Mourinho in the past and heavily linked to be booted out of the club, the state of his £80m duo in Bailly and Lindelof not being good enough saved him.
 
spiriticon said:
The problem with this Mourinho/Pogba issue is that Mourinho has no leg to stand on when enforcing his seniority as manager because he did the EXACT same thing to Ed Woodward earlier when he tried to undermine Ed's authority.

There's no way Pogba would listen to Mourinho telling him to 'shut up'. It has to be Carrick or McKenna.
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He didn't. Not at all really. That's just a myth.
 
Ban said:
Well we do know he made him captain and he did say he has no problems with him.
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We also know he didin't tell Pogba himself Carrick told him.
What is said publicly doesn't always reflect what is happening behind the scenes. For it to be at this stage though its a mess, and both parties are at fault.
 
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