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Mourinho or Pogba?
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At that point he was playing rubbish too because of Jose tactics (lack of) and we all seen what Pogba is capable of at WC.
Pogba because he doesn't want to be here. Mourinho because we play utter garbage shit week in, week out without even getting results. We haven't shown an improvement, it's constantly 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
When it’s a POV you agree with they’re talking sense, but when it’s something you disagree with it’s the media stirring up nonsense. Weird how that works on here eh
Pogba clearly wants to be here just not under the current management, which is perfectly understandable.
No wonder you compared Lukaku to Benteke
Hazard was one of the best players in the league for 2 seasons. In 15/16 he had 3 injuries before Mourinho was sacked. But apparently it was tactics that made him play rubbish, the same tactics that made him world class the previous two seasons
How can you know that? If he cared about the club that much he wouldn't be disrespecting it like he has.
I can see him disrespecting Jose and his tactics because he and a lot of us can't see us reaching the top with him at the helm (for me that tells he's actually bothered and wants the best for this club), where he ever said anything in a negative light about the club though?
Pogba needs to get a grip, but the real problem is the manager.
If Pogba had any respect for our club he'd have told his fat bellend of an agent to keep his trap shut in the transfer window.
Not through himself but everything that's come through his agent? He can put a stop to it. His half arsing his way through games.
4 games out of 7? Good one.
Ugh yes I believe Jose is very defensive manager who tells them to sit back. The reason is that they do it in every single match. We have evidence of it throughout his whole career.
What has he said about the club plez
Neither are a benefit to the club at the moment, but Pogba has to stay over Mourinho. Mourinho alienates players wherever he is, his style of play and tactics are not what we require and the squad can not adhere to them. We need a real man manager in who can't motivate the players and milk all the talent out of them. Theres a team capable of being much better here but Mourinho will never be the man to guide the team to realising that.
Yeah your right look at all those players in our squad that are playing at the top level Pogba is the only one not performing.......
You know that by talking to him the other day?
Not really the best moment to bring it up when he currently doesn't resemble a professional footballer.No wonder you compared Lukaku to Benteke
Feck me, we have some slow people on here. How ignorant can you be to think the 'real problem' is one factor and it's the manager who isn't even the one that holds the responsibility!
It's as if we were the best team in the world and everything went to shite when Mourinho came in. You would think the club hiring Moyes would have been a massive red flag. What about the fact that Mourinho was only available a few months before he was hired, soon after he had committed long term to Chelsea. Meaning we hired Mourinho just because he was available, not because he was part of the long term planning.
Ah yeah, I forgot Benteke is lighting the world up. You don't even understand the comparisons you make. It's as if you've decided you don't rate Lukaku so you play to a racial stereotype and then when people call you out on it you dig your heels in.
It's as if we were the best team in the world and everything went to shite when Mourinho came in. You would think the club hiring Moyes would have been a massive red flag. What about the fact that Mourinho was only available a few months before he was hired, soon after he had committed long term to Chelsea. Meaning we hired Mourinho just because he was available, not because he was part of the long term planning.
Ah yeah, I forgot Benteke is lighting the world up. You don't even understand the comparisons you make. It's as if you've decided you don't rate Lukaku so you play to a racial stereotype and then when people call you out on it you dig your heels in.
You'd agree with him if he bashed Mourinho and took Pogba's side. It's a great article but no wonder you don't like it cause it doesn't go with the agenda.
When did he disrespect the club? He never did Jose is the one who disrespected the club, the fans and players. All Pogba did is call out his tactics
Pogba might not be as good as he thinks he is but he was good enough to be a key player in a Juve side that won multiple leagues and got to two CL finals, and was instrumental in France winning the World Cup, the rest of what Carragher said was horsehit, Pogba at the very least has potentially a lot more to come at United, Mourinho has nothing left to offer us expect more misery, garbage football and circus bullshit, because it's Pogba right now, it'll be someone else once he's gone because Mourinho IS the circus.
Have a word with yourself you complete plonker.
Who gives a shit right now. Its too early in the season to rule out the management of our players. 6 games in for September, we need to chill the feck out.
A player comes out and for 3 matches says absolute tripe in post match interviews and has no problem seemingly whoring himself to other clubs (reportedly) and you think he has any leg to stand on? Like feck he does.
And Jaime is bang on about Pogba being over protected. Pogba needs to start performing for the team. There's only so much a manager can influence but if you're honestly looking at the shit Pogba pulled in the Wolves goal and trying to blame Jose for tactics or other rubbish then you're more deluded than most.
Key player in Juve side, instrumental in France winning the WC. Really?
All what Carragher said is good, it's just cause he isn't criticizing Mourinho you call it horseshit.
It's perfectly normal a player calls out a manager like that?
Yes, he was a key player in the starting 11 of those 2 successful teams.
It's only because he's backing Mourinho over Pogba that you think it's a good article, it's easy to use that copout labelling bullshit.
Pogba wasn't that consistent at Juventus and there were other players more influential than he was there. Same goes for France. 4 good games in the World Cup doesn't extrapolate to performing well week in week out in the Premier League.
Better Dribbler, better scorer, faster, better passer. But a bit like Benteke though. Nevermind that he is horrible in the air for a man his size and often struggles with playing with his back to goal (you know the opposite of Benteke). It's easier to ignore what's happening for you I guess.
No. You got it wrong mate. It's not cause he's backing Mourinho. Calm down a bit.
Also you should remember who else played in that Juve side. He was an important player, not a key one.
Who knows, he'll call him a Heskey in a few posts.
I never said there weren't players that were more influential, I said he was a key player in the units, his part in those teams was important in the success they had.
Juve didn't really become any bad after they sold Pogba. Maybe they build even a better team now.
I had a Juve fan friend and I kept arguing with him that Pogba would be great here while he kept telling me he's not arsed about him leaving and he has been a showman and a youtube player for them. I told him I was wrong several weeks ago.
I had a Juve fan friend and I kept arguing with him that Pogba would be great here while he kept telling me he's not arsed about him leaving and he has been a showman and a youtube player for them. I told him I was wrong several weeks ago.
He wasn't as vital as you claim him to be. He wouldn't get into Klopp or Pep or arguably Poch's system let alone Mourinho.
It has nothing to do with the manager. He plays for himself and lacks discipline. He only shows the discipline for his country because he can't switch teams from it. He's doing a fecking cruyff turn in the half way line when he's told to cut that shit out. It helps no one and has nothing to do with management or systems or anything.
Charrager is spot on. Pogba has to help Pogba. What the feck does freedom to play even mean? If it was what he did against Wolves then yeah, feck off because it nets to nothing.
Mate 2 and a half years. Not 6 games. You must be Jose in disguise otherwise i can’t see why you would do these sorts of mental gymnastics. He has had all that time to improve the players, implement tactics, create team Harmony and build some semblance of a plan moving forward. He has done none of that and instead is causing a circus while disrespecting the club, the fans and the players and also flirted with a move away to other clubs through his agent. you cannot even compare Pogba to him as he has done far worse.
Our own Benteke in a sense that we won't ever be able to play a progressive football with Lukaku in the same way Liverpool couldn't do that with Benteke in the team as Lukaku is not mobile enough, horrible first touch and control in tight spaces, has a poor movement, and poor at build-up play. I guess you read what you want to read.
I'm perfectly calm, I think Carragher is full of shit in that article, Mourinho offers us nothing, get rid of both of them? Sure, but the idea of keeping this toxic dinosaur of a manager who has spent the last 18 months publicly throwing players under the bus, but a player can't voice their opinions on what is going wrong? That's bullshit.
I do remember those sides, he was a key player in both, take him out of the French team and I don't think they win that World Cup for starters, he was the supply line from that midfield.
Oh you want to count 2 years?
OK. 69 points in season 1. 81 points in season 2.
If the manager can't get most of his players playing then we wouldn't have improved the way we did on results. It's really that simple so try finding another narrative.
I’m sorry no one is bigger than the club & no player should undermine the manager of the club. Pogba for me has showed very little since he’s been at Utd. His best game for me was the away match at City last season but has been very inconsistent during his tenure so far. His rift is creating divisions between players & management & is not helping the harmony of the team BUT on the other hand Jose is just as bad. SAF never berated his players to the media it was all behind doors. Saying that he is still the manager of Utd & you do as he says. If it’s bad tactics then surely as players you would deter from that if it wasn’t working out during the match. Fact of the matter we just don’t have the quality in the team but you could say that’s on Jose & his bad purchases. Then again did he not say we needed 4 more players before the start of the season to bolster the team. We need a huge investment if we are to compete at a top level & sadly I cannot see this happening with Ed at the helm under the command of the glazers. Even if we get rid of Jose that would still not change the fact that we have a lot of dead wood. We are in a horrible situation & have been since SAF left & I just can’t see how it’s going to get any better. Honestly it’s like a circus ATM the media are killing us & lapping up every second of it. Most of us can do failure for a while but this failure has been going on for quite a few seasons now & it’s getting tedious & annoying & frustrating with no light at the end of the tunnel.
Apparently for Jose it is as it’s happened at his last two clubs. Is it a coincident that the most influential players at his last 3 clubs have had public falling out with him?