you are turning into a parody of yourself.Got to love the millenial way of discussion though.
Rape Discussion
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you are turning into a parody of yourself.Got to love the millenial way of discussion though.
we learned our debating style from your generations sexual practices, we just don't know when to stop vato
Got to love the millenial way of discussion though.
you have so much pent up frustration. Try to get laid too once in a while, don't have to be so paranoid. Trying to pick up women is ok, dude. You won't be labeled a rapist so fast.yes it's so strange being pissed off that the vast majority of the women and most of the men we all know have been sexually harassed, assaulted and raped
only people who never get laid would be pissed off about it looooooooooooooooooooool
What about regular drunk? What about very drunk?
At what level of inebriation is consent no longer consent?
this is a dumb question different people need different amounts of booze to lose it, if the person only needs a little booze then it only takes a little before they can't consent
if you're not certain then they haven't and can't consent
So then by default what she said is meaningless since "piss drunk" is arbitrary and isn't something you can use to decide if someone consented. So you see, once she goes on to say the exact words "Those situations are rape" she just used it to attack men taking drunk girls home and label them rapists.
Any of this getting through to you yet?
if you are waiting for someone to get piss drunk before you take them home it is sexually predatory behaviour and rape
seriously you're the single most illiterate person i've ever had the displeasure of talking to on here
So here you are, quite clearly saying that taking home a drunk girl is rape. Glad I know exactly where you stand on this.
Yes, you are mental.
Its a two way street that both participants have to use their best judgement on. Obviously if its a lopsided situation where one person is saying no and the other continues to pursue, then you are going into dangerous territory.
fair enough i take back the illiterate stuff, you're either a full on rapist or a rape apologist
if you have ever in your life waited for a woman or man to get extremely drunk so you can take them home and have sex then you are a rapist and a sexual predator
I really don't see any problem with what Silva has said there. If you disagree with that you either have problems reading, or have a definition of rape vastly out of whack not only with most peoples, but also with the laws.
It may not necessary be coercion though. I mean if you are asking a girl few times before she agrees it may not necessarily involve blackmail or outside factors. Might also be spread over some time.
I think that situation is more referring to if you've potentially got someone in a one-on-one situation where you're coercing them into sex and they eventually cave in out of fear of what'll happen otherwise. Although I would be slightly suspect of someone who keeps coming on to a girl repeatedly when he's already been told no. There'll be occasional situations where someone's playing hard-to-get but in most situations someone who says no five or six times to your advances clearly isn't interested.
Women can't rape though in many jurisdictions. But anyway I wasn't disagreeing there with that.
Was pointing out a anomaly in most rape situations with a example which nobody yet responded too with any logic.
I mean it depends how drunk someone is. In a lot of situations where you meet someone they'll have had a few drinks, but if they're falling over their feet and can hardly speak while you're mostly fine then it's evidently not alright.
I meant in a situation where the woman is flirty aswell of course, not like in the bit that Silva posted and tried to shoe in where the guy is obviously a creep.
Most normal people can surely assess these situations correctly? Or is the world filled with sociopaths now?
that's extremely different to what the tweet said, it was clearly about when a woman is actually saying no/no more of this/stop etc. people aren't getting accused of sexual harassment, assault or rape for mutually flirting in a bar
her first example of sexually predatory behaviour that is common and the second sexual coercion which is also common
it's nothing to do with mutual flirting in a bar
Yeah agree with you here. It is harassment to keep pestering that long and mostly will involve a Stern warning.
But if she says yes and then has sex without any outside coercion then it isn't rape.
Actually I guess that is pretty much differentiable legally.
Don't see why Silva and that girl are taking it too the extreme.
Legally he is right if you waited for the girl to be drunk then the prosecution will most likely claim that you made sure that her ability to consent was impaired which means that you couldn't reasonably believe that she was consenting. Personally I wouldn't do it and I would advise you to be careful, you could put yourself in deep trouble.
but more importantly, don't do it because it's rape and very bad
Yes, I agree with that. How about if a woman says no at first but she's flirting with you and you know she's interested.
I've never been personally in a situation like this, not because women don't say no to me but because I've just been off the market for over 20 years now and haven't tried to pick up anyone in eons but I can imagine situations where a guy feels that the woman is interested but just doesn't want to appear easy, slutty or cheap to him by going into his avances within the first minute.
There it goes I'm a rapist!
No point arguing any further. You have issues.
Thanks for the advice but I'm in a 4 year relationship.
I'm taking the stance that drunk people can consent. I know Silva is trying to throw scenarios at me like the sexual predator hanging out in the corners dead sober waiting till he sees that girl stumbling out the doors then follows her trying to coerce her into sex. I'm coming from the point of view that drunk people can consent, and that whilst waiting for a girl to get drunk is certainly fecking weird, it does not in any way become rape purely off that alone.
The law you quote is of course a complete grey area since how do you prove someone "Waited" for another person to be drunk, rather than simply not drinking as heavily as someone else?
Yeah your right, I overlooked the "waiting" in my last sentence.
you have just described a rape you fecking brick
and it's basically the cartoon, explain it to children because this is the simple stuff, rape
holy shit i feel sorry for the women in your life
That's the issue and why people should use common sense and not carelessly sleep with someone that is piss drunk, because they put themselves in a position when the subjectivity of a judge can see them jailed.
I swear I knew it would happen as soon as I saw him post that. It's his MO.
There it goes I'm a rapist!
No point arguing any further. You have issues.
You are either with him on every ridiculously over the top thing he posts, or you are a racist, misogynist/sexist/rapist. That's 21st century debate for you.
Flip the script, man gets very drunk, sober woman comes onto him, he finds her attractive and takes her back to his for sex. You consider this rape as well?
What do you even believe? That two drunk people can consent but one drunk person can't if shes more drunk than the other? I'm baffled by your logic.
Can anyone else here chip in please. Is what I describe rape in other peoples eyes as well? Consider the reverse of sexes in the situation as well.
yes my behaviour on the internet is the problem, not rape apologism like that
was she waiting for him to get very drunk? hella rape bro
These threads are depressing, so many people failing to grasp such basic concepts.
I don't have the precedents but if we focus on the law, in the UK it can't be a rape because you need a penis. It can be an assault though.
Oh absolutely - I'm sure that's common. But there's a difference between that and pestering someone "20 times" as the tweet posted alluded to, and there's obviously a significant difference between persisting with someone who appears interested and coercing them into sex in a private space where they're afraid of the consequences if they say no.
If he's drunk to the point where he can hardly walk or speak coherently then it's undoubtedly moved into fairly sketchy territory. No one's saying being drunk at all means someone can't consent - just if they're drunk to the point where they can hardly function normally.
Moved the non-Ronaldo posts in here. Please use this thread for general rape discussions and keep the CR7 one specifically for things related to his case.
two drunk people having sex is very different to one person waiting until one person is piss drunk so they can try to have sex with themHe is a lunatic I get it. He thinks drunk sex is rape. Lock up 99% of the world I guess
if you really, genuinely, struggle to grasp that, it's your problem not mine and i really hope it's not something you've done to women because it would really be awful for them
Good thing we have you here to tell two consensual parties they've been involved in a rape then
one person targeted someone to have sex with, let them get extremely drunk and then took them home and they had sex, the man wakes up, unsure what really happened but it's okay buddy, dou is here to tell you the lady didn't do anything wrong now move alongGood thing we have you here to tell two consensual parties they've been involved in a rape then
oh and the sober lady says you definitely consented, even though you don't exactly remember
Weird how things seem to be so unclear for some. If the girl at any point says stop you stop, if you keep on going while she says stop then guess what? Its rape. You're forcing her to have sex with you when she does not want to i.e you're raping her simple as that.