[Poll Added] Hypothetical: Next manager after Jose Mourinho

[Eric's Seagull]

Don't have a clue why Leonardo Jardim isn't getting mentioned more as potential replacement. He would be my second choice after Pochettino and much prefer him to Zidane. Ticks all the boxes as he has won a league title with Monaco against a much tougher opposition in PSG like Klopp did with Dortmund and plays attacking football. Not like Jardim hasn't proved himself and won nothing like Pochettino. Also the argument about Monaco's current position in the table is irrelevant as he has lost his best players and Klopp was in a similar situation with Dortmund. If we use the same argument, Liverpool should never have hired Jurgen Klopp.

Leonardo Jardim would in my opinion make an excellent replacement for Jose.

Here is an article which in my opinion gives a very good insight into Jardim, that you might find interesting:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/performance/training/leonardo-jardims-management-masterclass

The points I found particularly interesting from the article, which I think would be of importance are:
About how he handles different personalities, I also like what he says about being a leader and how he says about he speaks to players.


I also think that he did well at his former clubs like finishing third in 2011/12 with Braga. Also when he took Porto to second in 2013/2014 with a team that consisted of a lot of youth team graduates and despite leaving Olympiakos after 6 months, they were undefeated and 10 points clear at the top of the league.

 

[el3mel]

Leonardo Jardim would in my opinion make an excellent replacement for Jose.

Here is an article which in my opinion gives a very good insight into Jardim, that you might find interesting:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/performance/training/leonardo-jardims-management-masterclass

The points I found particularly interesting from the article, which I think would be of importance are:
About how he handles different personalities, I also like what he says about being a leader and how he says about he speaks to players.


I also think that he did well at his former clubs like finishing third in 2011/12 with Braga, and getting them to the group stages of the Champions League the following season, where they lost 3-2 to at Old Trafford against a team featuring De Gea, Rooney and Van Persie. Also when he took Porto to second in 2013/2014 with a team that consisted of a lot of youth team graduates and despite leaving Olympiakos after 6 months, they were undefeated and 10 points clear at the top of the league.

Jardim wasn't their manager on this day. It was Peseiro iirc.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Jardim wasn't their manager on this day. It was Peseiro iirc.

My bad. Oops. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[DBT85]

How long would you give a manager to win a league?

Since you can't promise to win anything it a ridiculous question with no answer by any reasonable measure.

Lets say this year Mou netted us 90 points, played dazzling football and still came second as City roflstomped the league again.

Does Jose deserve the sack then? I mean, it would be 3 years. What a failure.

Would any sane person that isn't at City or Chelsea think those are conditions to sack a manager?

Its 19/20, he goes one better, 95 points, 100 goals, Liverpool have managed to break records and win the league with 110 points.

Is that now reason to sack him? 4 years with no title, but 3 2nd places, consistent CL (which is what the people upstairs actually care about), and 81, 90 and 95 points. All potential title winning tallies, pipped only by sides breaking records that even Fergie himself couldn't set.

All you can do is judge based on each season.

As I said before, Moyes was not sacked for not winning the league, he was sacked for taking us to our lowest point since 89/90 and it would appear having no idea how to coach a team of top players apart from "run lots, cross many, achieve 500 passes". He was out of his depth the minute he walked in to the club, firing so many of the staff was a huge mistake on his part, but giving him a 6 year deal was someone elses mistake.

Gaal was not sacked for failing to win the league, he was sacked because he had failed to achieve 4th place and therefore CL football. Had he been playing decent football despite that 5th place he probably wouldn't have gotten the sack. But we were not. We came 5th and averaged a whopping 1.2 goals scored per game, our lowest tally in total goals since 89/90. That is the reason he was sacked.

Sure, I'd love to win the league again and soon. But people seem to think that this is still the 90's or early 00s when there were only a couple of actual challengers. It's not, and there aren't. A manager can have 3 great seasons as United/City/Pool/Spurs/Arsenal/Chelsea and win no title at all.

You think Pool will sack Kloppo at the end of the year if they come 4th? You reckon Spurs will chop in Poch if the best he can do is 4th? But all those years with no PL!!11

With all that said, I think Mou will be gone by Xmas because I don't think he's going to be able to turn this around. If he escapes the CL groups and we get 2 points from City/Chelsea then they might well keep him longer. I don't think they should, but it is what it is.

 

[Zoo]

Rumour that Jardim is going to leave Monaco with Thierry Henry taking over there.

 

[youmeletsfly]

Rumour that Jardim is going to leave Monaco with Thierry Henry taking over there.

Isn't Henry going to Villa?

That would be stupid for Monaco, sack a manager known for his pedigree of raising young talents and getting in an unproven one. Or is Jardim the one that wants to leave?

 

[Catt]

Not going to pretend to know but what type of football does Jardim have his team playing? @JPRouve?

 

[JPRouve]

Not going to pretend to know but what type of football does Jardim have his team playing? @JPRouve?

It depends on the players that he has, he started very defensively, deep defensive line and counter attack with 4 or 5 players but moved to a very aggressive set up with still a deep defensive line but counter attacks with 7 to 8 players. I would put him in the same category than someone like Ancelotti in terms of tactical approach.

 

[ryansgirl]

No one has any idea how successful, or otherwise, Eddie Howe would be as Man Utd's manager. I appreciate that you would prefer another man to take over at OT, but just to dismiss someone who has 'done nothing important', with his club is a bit of a slight on his ability, and I'm sure that as far as Bournemouth fans are concerned, getting the club from the fringes of relegation out the league, to at least mid table in the Prem, is quite an important feat.

Players generally respect a new manager, regardless of their previous experiences, and would initially go with what he was saying, but would be loathe to carry on with his philosophy if performances and results were not forthcoming, but conversely would take to his methods and ideas if the team were winning games with an enjoyable type of football, but I doubt if your view or other people's views on Eddie Howe will ever be put to the test as I can't see the board, as it is now, going with him.

Big named managers in the past have not really been successful with our club, the type and standard of football played over the past 5 years has gotten worse. I started watching United because of their dynamic, exciting football, and I long for the day that happens again, I think Howe would do well here, and is one who certainly would look at the academy, as he has with Bournemouth, getting several of his own players on the fringes of the England team, but that is just my opinion. Whatever happens I hope they get the right man

I'm not disagreeing generally with the fact that Eddie Howe seems a bright young manager and he has done well for Bournemouth as demonstrated by his record. I actually wish we were back in the days when somebody like Eddie Howe could come in to a huge club like Manchester United and have a real chance of achieving success.

We actually tried a non 'Big named manager' in David Moyes. He failed because he wasn't up to what is needed to manage a footballing giant and follow a legend and his personality was also ill-suited as he showed a knack for discarding advice from those who knew better and had to 'make his mark' by disastrous actions such as sacking the trusted staff that were integral to United's success before he came in.

He also failed because while Everton used to win titles and cups back in the day, they hadn't and haven't for a long time and Moyes' relative success in keeping Everton in a respectable position in the Premier League was as good as it got. It was relative just like Howes' success with Bournemouth is relative and cannot be said to fit a huge club like United.

It is plainly unrealistic to think that appointing Eddie Howe or somebody of similar standing would be met by the players and staff at United with anything less than 'Who are you?'.

 

[ryansgirl]

Jesus, just stop with this shit. It was never about the PL title.

I don't know about that - during Sir Alex's days it was said publicly and in the Manchester United official mag by various players/other United staff, 'This club is built on winning the title.'

It's one of the reasons United had it all over Liverpool for years - gigantic clubs with no title despite winning European silverware are still deemed to have fallen from the top.

 

[GlastonSpur]

… It is plainly unrealistic to think that appointing Eddie Howe or somebody of similar standing would be met by the players and staff at United with anything less than 'Who are you?'.

Any players or staff who have that attitude are those that need to be binned - and that should be the first job of any incoming manager.

The answer to their question is: "I am the man in charge and those who query it will be straight out of the door to go and see if you can play better for another mid-table club."

 

[Catt]

It depends on the players that he has, he started very defensively, deep defensive line and counter attack with 4 or 5 players but moved to a very aggressive set up with still a deep defensive line but counter attacks with 7 to 8 players. I would put him in the same category than someone like Ancelotti in terms of tactical approach.

Thanks! Going by what you're saying I'm not sure that sounds like a coach that necessarily suits United either.

 

[ryansgirl]

Any players or staff who have that attitude are those that need to be binned - and that should be the first job of any incoming manager.

The answer to their question is: "I am the man in charge and those who query it will be straight out of the door to go and see if you can play better for another mid-table club."

I'd agree with you if this scenario did not involve bringing in a young manager with no experience of managing clubs in European football competitions, no experience in managing a remotely big club - one that has a big supporter base and has actually won silverware in high level competitions and not just for being promoted let alone Manchester United - no experience in managing a club that has historically been supported by many and therefore has a level of pressure that is different from the usual ones of small football clubs, no experience of the global brand of a huge club and all that entails and above all no experience of competing with the best for the biggest prizes in the game of football.

The 'Who are you?' scenario has been mentioned many times in the context of top sporting clubs, not just football. It's a fact of life that those clubs that are among the true giants in reputation, history and cup tally do not go for managers/coaches with no credentials that fit them.

And of course unlike Spurs United didn't win its last title in 1961. Even given this scenario I don't see Spurs running off to court Howe or supporters saying he'd be great for the club.

 

[Coops73]

Any players or staff who have that attitude are those that need to be binned - and that should be the first job of any incoming manager.

The answer to their question is: "I am the man in charge and those who query it will be straight out of the door to go and see if you can play better for another mid-table club."

Haha, see what you did there, nice to see Spurs supporters have lost none of their delusions of grandeur.

 

[Frasbul]

I don't like the title. It's not hypothetical. There will be a another manager of Manchester United after Jose Mourinho, I am quite certain of that. I don't know if this will happen in two weeks, two years or two decades, but it will happen. It's not hypothetical at all.

 

[Canagel]

Reading Jardim could be sacked from Monaco in the coming days. I hope people don't look at the French league table right now. The club sell their best players year in year out and it's impossible for any manager to deal with this. Jardim beat PSG to the title, went to the CL semi finals and has an excellent record of developing the youth. The United board have to jump on this.

 

[MC89]

Voted other.... would like to see Zidane get it as I think he would well and I think the board would back him

 

[FootyGirl88]

Reading Jardim could be sacked from Monaco in the coming days. I hope people don't look at the French league table right now. The club sell their best players year in year out and it's impossible for any manager to deal with this. Jardim beat PSG to the title, went to the CL semi finals and has an excellent record of developing the youth. The United board have to jump on this.

Well apparently Woodward did approach Klopp but his pitch failed. Klopp didn't do great with BVB before he left so there is a tiny bit of hope.

 

[JPRouve]

Reading Jardim could be sacked from Monaco in the coming days. I hope people don't look at the French league table right now. The club sell their best players year in year out and it's impossible for any manager to deal with this. Jardim beat PSG to the title, went to the CL semi finals and has an excellent record of developing the youth. The United board have to jump on this.

The one issue is that Jardim is a head coach, he has no experience of the other side of the manager's role. Bringing him without someone between him and Woodward would be in my opinion particularly ill-advised.

 

[Riz]

@Minimalist are you still convinced that journo was correct and he'll be gone by the end of the week or have you now accepted it was bullshit from the beginning?

 

[Judas]

Jardim would be a good choice, I just don't know if him and Woody would be a wise team without a director of football. But Woody calling the shots and getting a manager who is out of work would probably make him very excited.

 

[Canagel]

The one issue is that Jardim is a head coach, he has no experience of the other side of the manager's role. Bringing him without someone between him and Woodward would be in my opinion particularly ill-advised.

So Monaco have a DOF then? If that's what Jardim is used to working with then I hope we change the structure at the club and bring the DOF as soon as possible. The worry is that another big club ie Real/Bayern will come and take him.

 

[Minimalist]

@Minimalist are you still convinced that journo was correct and he'll be gone by the end of the week or have you now accepted it was bullshit from the beginning?

Who the hell are you?

 

[JPRouve]

So Monaco have a DOF then? If that's what Jardim is used to working with then I hope we change the structure at the club and bring the DOF as soon as possible. The worry is that another big club ie Real/Bayern will come and take him.

Every club in France has a DOF and I'm not exaggerating when I say that everytime you think about a continental club assume that they have one because it's an exception when they don't.

 

[Catt]

@JPRouve If your vision is to see the team pressing to some extent and dominating more of the play than Utd do under Mourinho, is Jardim the man you go for?

 

[Riz]

Who the hell are you?

Guy you told to go back to school for daring to say the mirror were backtracking and their claim was bullshit. Think it's pretty clear now that the story was a load of shit.

 

[JPRouve]

@JPRouve If your vision is to see the team pressing to some extent and dominating more of the play than Utd do under Mourinho, is Jardim the man you go for?

Honestly, Jardim is difficult to read. Monaco has done it when they had the players or when the game required it but he isn't obsessed about either of them. He needs players that have a good technical level and play with intensity, basically the same players used by someone like Klopp, from there depending on their other characteristics he will either ask them to mainly counter or mainly keep possession but it's balanced. Defensively he is more about pressing high with the attackers while the defense and midfield drop deep, contain and then explode forward when the ball is recovered.

But the key to all this is to have players that have some consistency from a technical standpoint which is the problem that Monaco currently has.

 

[CA1]

Jardim Portuguese Pardew

 

[Catt]

Not sure I'm much wiser from reading that but so many on this forum are seemingly big fans of his.

 

[SteveJ]

I reckon the club will go for Laurent Blanc.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

I don't want blanc as a manager here but I wouldn't mind him as Dof due to him being out of a job for some whilst & his history with us & a club like PSG who are money oriented.

 

[Berbaclass]

I would pick Eddie Howe. Everything else has been tried and I believe we’d play great football.

Think a lot of people are disrespecting what he’s done for Bournemouth to be honest. Very good manager.

 

[ryansgirl]

I would pick Eddie Howe. Everything else has been tried and I believe we’d play great football.

Think a lot of people are disrespecting what he’s done for Bournemouth to be honest. Very good manager.

No, you're simply echoing the views similar to those of some before Moyes became manager of United. He hadn't done anything major either and had a good rep for being a small name good with players and making the best out of the resources he had.

Eddie Howe might have a very different personality/character but David Moyes looked good before the behemoth that is Manchester United exposed him very quickly. And David Moyes had more experience than Eddie Howe.

It would be odd and desperate for Manchester United to recruit somebody because they've been great for Bournemouth, a club that has never had any real expectations put on it and is the last club that comes to mind when you mention the words Manchester United. 'Everything' hasn't been tried. David Moyes was supposed to be the small name preferred to big names, we don't need another appointment like that.

Howe would be out of his league, he would come in with very limited knowledge and experience for this job, and few at United would take that appointment seriously. No real experience of high pressure, high stakes football for European and domestic titles, no silverware, no familiarity with the huge tasks including the marketing of Manchester United. Ryan Giggs or Gary Nev should be considered well before Howe and his name shouldn't be mentioned seriously.

I don't live in the days when an Alex Ferguson could come in - and his mettle, character and success at least had been on show with Aberdeen and experience with European football even before United. That was then, this is 2018.

Having said that, Eddie Howe in an assistant capacity somewhere at United, learning about the club and having hands-on experience could turn out in the future to be a wise investment.

 

[Sky1981]

No, you're simply echoing the views similar to those of some before Moyes became manager of United. He hadn't done anything major either and had a good rep for being a small name good with players and making the best out of the resources he had.

Eddie Howe might have a very different personality/character but David Moyes looked good before the behemoth that is Manchester United exposed him very quickly. And David Moyes had more experience than Eddie Howe.

It would be odd and desperate for Manchester United to recruit somebody because they've been great for Bournemouth, a club that has never had any real expectations put on it and is the last club that comes to mind when you mention the words Manchester United. 'Everything' hasn't been tried. David Moyes was supposed to be the small name preferred to big names, we don't need another appointment like that.

Howe would be out of his league, he would come in with very limited knowledge and experience for this job, and few at United would take that appointment seriously. No real experience of high pressure, high stakes football for European and domestic titles, no silverware, no familiarity with the huge tasks including the marketing of Manchester United. Ryan Giggs or Gary Nev should be considered well before Howe and his name shouldn't be mentioned seriously.

I don't live in the days when an Alex Ferguson could come in - and his mettle, character and success at least had been on show with Aberdeen and experience with European football even before United. That was then, this is 2018.

Having said that, Eddie Howe in an assistant capacity somewhere at United, learning about the club and having hands-on experience could turn out in the future to be a wise investment.

Ye.. imagine if jose managing bournemouth now. They'd probably ended up 6th and qualify for europa. The players there will be in awe with his reputations and run through the brick wall for him.

 

[deafepl]

Three things for me, in this order :

-Attractive football
-winning mentality
-focus on youth

Next manager should have all 3. Why are we even supporting the club if we are not enjoying the football?

I guess Laurent Blanc tricked all box you stated. He plays attractive football, 4-3-3 possession-based with quick movements and complete freedom to the attackers in the final third. but his football is different to Sarri and Pep, he also promotes players from academy to the squad. Plus, he is an ex-United player which is a bonus for us.

 

[UncleBob]

Bit weird that Eddie Howe isn't mentioned, considering the work he's done with Bournemouth and the football they try to play.

 

[midnightmare]

I guess Laurent Blanc tricked all box you stated. He plays attractive football, 4-3-3 possession-based with quick movements and complete freedom to the attackers in the final third. but his football is different to Sarri and Pep, he also promotes players from academy to the squad. Plus, he is an ex-United player which is a bonus for us.

The 2+ years out of management are a concern surely? Never linked to a top job whenever there's been a vacancy either. Very odd. Also, his disasterclass against City does hint at someone more prone to be conservative in any big game.

 

[tenpoless]

Howe, really? Didn't David Moyes teach you something?

 

[klsv]

Bit weird that Eddie Howe isn't mentioned, considering the work he's done with Bournemouth and the football they try to play.

You'd literally have to scroll up two posts to see him mentioned.

 

[UncleBob]

You'd literally have to scroll up two posts to see him mentioned.

In the poll, obviously.