[Poll Added] Hypothetical: Next manager after Jose Mourinho

Who would be your current choice for next manager after Jose Mourinho?

  • Total voters
    1,710
Cannot believe howe is getting even the lightest mention.

We're only a few years on from the disaster of a manager well out of their depth in moyesie.
 
All the options discussed, Jardim, Ancelotti, Poch, Zidane, Howe, Blanc have advantages and disadvantages but we and the board have to consider are the following;
  • For 5 years we have had instability right accross the defensive lines using aging wingers as full backs and mediocre Centre Backs at best. We have spent £109M over that 4 years to buy a 19yr old Right Back, two Average Centre backs and a player who was considered the best young left back in Europe but who has had terrible Injuries and now will not sign a new contract because of Jose. First Stage is to tighten up the defence and 3 Top defenders are required with 4 current ones should be sent packing. (Darmian, Jones, Valencia, Rojo Gone!!!)
  • The team due to LVG and the Current Manager just don't score enough goals because they are more concerned about protecting the defence. Whomever Manager we decide to bring in, the club should insist that the new Coach also employ an attacking coach like Teddy Sheringham or Andy Cole who are both fantastic in this role but not as General Managers. We also need a Head coach that is committed to playing the United way and playing attacking football at all costs. This is non negotiable!
  • English, yes English should be the language spoken by the players and the coach. WTF was Valencia made club captain when he can not speak the language is beyond most United Fans.
  • The new coach must get support from the fans and the board by committing his team to all out offensive football with Wingers and Striker partnerships, plus attacking Midfielders who get into the box to score goals. We have to start scoring 80 plus prem league goals again just to compete for a top 4 position. Fans are so convinced the Top 6 is the Top 6, they have taken their eyes off teams like Wolves who are closer to vintage Jose Team than this Current United Team is. They conceed less than 0.8 goal per game, we currently conceed 1.6 and we have only played Brighton, Newcastle, West Ham - 8 goals in 3 games and a miserable 3 points!
  • We need a safe pair of hands that will not court controversy and conduct himself in the traditions of the club.
The more you weigh up the problems, the More you start thinking that a complete restructure is needed. So I would initially appoint L Blanc as Manager with Teddy Sheringham as an attacking Coach added to M Carrick and Mckenna. All 4 would have the United DNA and want to play attacking Football. Lauren Blanc could then take over as Director Of Football, allowing the Club time to look at R Giggs, Jardim, Poch or Zidanne all of whom would have no problem with Blanc as our Director of Football!

Plus Lauren Blanc would know better than anyone how to sort out such a diabolical shambles of a defence through coaching and better investment!
 
midnightmare said:
The 2+ years out of management are a concern surely? Never linked to a top job whenever there's been a vacancy either. Very odd. Also, his disasterclass against City does hint at someone more prone to be conservative in any big game.
Click to expand...

There's no manager who can play attractive football of brand available is better than Blanc, he can play attractive football whilst winning a lot of trophies, he is the one who ended Lyon's dominance in Ligue 1 and had a better winning record in Europe than the likes of Jose, Carlo, Klopp but only below Pep Guardiola by 0.7% margin, he also promotes the players from the youth academy. At Bordeaux, his team had second highest possession based in Europe, only second to Pep Guardiola, he can be pragmatic when is a need.

2 years out of management is not a concern, should Blanc has taken a new job, PSG will stop paying up the remainder of his contract, like LVG, no one can afford to offer him wage more than his existing contract. Bayern, Real, Barca, Juve don't pay the manager that much.
 
Blanc is very average manager I'm surprised some really want him. Hopefully we stay away like the rest of big clubs, or any club actually.
 
Sandikan said:
Cannot believe howe is getting even the lightest mention.

We're only a few years on from the disaster of a manager well out of their depth in moyesie.
Click to expand...
Moyes didn't fail because giving the job to someone less experienced is a necessarily bad idea. David Moyes failed because he's David Moyes. There is absolutely no reason to assume Howe would have the same problems, as he's not a moron like Moyes was.
 
As far as I'm concerned there is no obvious candidate out there who promises
- attacking football
- instills a winning mentality
- has relentless ambition

Allegri is possibly the most capable manager in that group though.
 
Don't rule out Jose until 2020 and then Faria to take over the reigns.

The club needs stability.
 
shaky said:
Moyes didn't fail because giving the job to someone less experienced is a necessarily bad idea. David Moyes failed because he's David Moyes. There is absolutely no reason to assume Howe would have the same problems, as he's not a moron like Moyes was.
Click to expand...

It’s still too big a leap to go straight from Bournemouth to United in its current state, even if you think Howe is better than Moyes. If we were a well-oiled machine with the right structure in place on the football side, then I might be more willing to take a punt on a relative unknown.
 
Bastian said:
As far as I'm concerned there is no obvious candidate out there who promises
- attacking football
- instills a winning mentality
- has relentless ambition

Allegri is possibly the most capable manager in that group though.
Click to expand...

Zidane plays attacking football and instilled a winning mentality into his Real Madrid players, as for his ambition, he hasn't managed in the game long enough for us to make that judgement, but if his playing days are anything to go by then I'd say he possesses more than enough ambition.

Allegri is a fair shout, though.
 
Why not try Jardin from Monaco? He was doing ok until half their team got sold. Must be worth a shout if we decide to say goodbye to Jose.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
GlastonSpur said:
Any players or staff who have that attitude are those that need to be binned - and that should be the first job of any incoming manager.

The answer to their question is: "I am the man in charge and those who query it will be straight out of the door to go and see if you can play better for another mid-table club."
Click to expand...

Football doesn't work like that buddy.
When you come to MUFC (or any top club), you better have some sort of credential which makes players listen.
When Moyes came to us, our players had the attitude of, "Who are you? What have you won? We've won more than you."
From the start this created a lot of problems and the players simply did not buy into Moyes' tactics.
Woodward learned from this and from then on only appointed big name managers who have won big trophies.
Remember, some of our players are misbehaving under Jose Mourinho. Jose Mourinho. Imagine what they'd do to a manager with poor credentials?
Eddie Howe would get chewed up and spat out by the players. It's a risk, simply not worth taking, when there are managers out there who do have the credentials to make our players sit down and listen.
 
deafepl said:
There's no manager who can play attractive football of brand available is better than Blanc, he can play attractive football whilst winning a lot of trophies, he is the one who ended Lyon's dominance in Ligue 1 and had a better winning record in Europe than the likes of Jose, Carlo, Klopp but only below Pep Guardiola by 0.7% margin, he also promotes the players from the youth academy. At Bordeaux, his team had second highest possession based in Europe, only second to Pep Guardiola, he can be pragmatic when is a need.

2 years out of management is not a concern, should Blanc has taken a new job, PSG will stop paying up the remainder of his contract, like LVG, no one can afford to offer him wage more than his existing contract. Bayern, Real, Barca, Juve don't pay the manager that much.
Click to expand...

He doesn't and a lot of players left because of it.
 
sunama said:
Football doesn't work like that buddy.
When you come to MUFC (or any top club), you better have some sort of credential which makes players listen.
When Moyes came to us, our players had the attitude of, "Who are you? What have you won? We've won more than you."
From the start this created a lot of problems and the players simply did not buy into Moyes' tactics.
Woodward learned from this and from then on only appointed big name managers who have won big trophies.
Remember, some of our players are misbehaving under Jose Mourinho. Jose Mourinho. Imagine what they'd do to a manager with poor credentials?
Eddie Howe would get chewed up and spat out by the players. It's a risk, simply not worth taking, when there are managers out there who do have the credentials to make our players sit down and listen.
Click to expand...

It does if you get rid of the players who think that football doesn't work that way … those who put their puffed-up, molly-coddled egos ahead of the team, manager and club.

The players are misbehaving under Mourinho partly because of ego, and partly because he criticises them in public and they don't like the way he sets them up to play.

But if you want United to continue down the 'big-name' route, then good luck to you … you'll need it.
 
Bastian said:
As far as I'm concerned there is no obvious candidate out there who promises
- attacking football
- instills a winning mentality
- has relentless ambition

Allegri is possibly the most capable manager in that group though.
Click to expand...

I agree that there's no top level manager, who we can reasonably expect to be available, that offers those three things.

I think the board's options are limited to either a relatively safe, if rather dull choice (Blanc/Conte), or taking a really big risk with a 2nd or 3rd tier manager.
 
Seven Seas Sardines said:
:lol:
Click to expand...

Come on, everyone knows that you need a world class manager the likes of Pep and Klopp to play attacking football. Everyone else just plays long balls and defensive football. Get with the programme already.

EDIT: whoops, thought you only bolded the attacking football bit. But really, I think that most managers play attacking football. Jose is a defensive manager so he makes it seem harder than it actually is.
 
Last edited:
Seven Seas Sardines said:
:lol:
Click to expand...

Like I said, I don't think anyone from that list covers those criteria. Including Allegri.

Infra-red said:
I agree that there's no top level manager, who we can reasonably expect to be available, that offers those three things.

I think the board's options are limited to either a relatively safe, if rather dull choice (Blanc/Conte), or taking a really big risk with a 2nd or 3rd tier manager.
Click to expand...

Yeah, that's how I see it too. I'd much rather stick it out this season with Jose instead of seeing an underwhelming appointment being made. That would be the worst scenario IMV. And they're quite unlikely to take a huge risk on an up-and-coming manager.

Random Task said:
Zidane plays attacking football and instilled a winning mentality into his Real Madrid players, as for his ambition, he hasn't managed in the game long enough for us to make that judgement, but if his playing days are anything to go by then I'd say he possesses more than enough ambition.

Allegri is a fair shout, though.
Click to expand...

I think Zidane is quite an unknown quantity. He might fit all those criteria, but I think to play attacking football (if results aren't secondary) he'd probably conclude the same as Jose that he needs 2 centre backs, a right winger and competition for Lukaku.

If they sack Jose I think the board will appoint a manager who won't moan and will make do with what he's got and what the board is willing to supply him with. And we won't be anywhere nearer to competing for serious titles.
 
sunama said:
Football doesn't work like that buddy.
When you come to MUFC (or any top club), you better have some sort of credential which makes players listen.
When Moyes came to us, our players had the attitude of, "Who are you? What have you won? We've won more than you."
From the start this created a lot of problems and the players simply did not buy into Moyes' tactics.
Woodward learned from this and from then on only appointed big name managers who have won big trophies.
Remember, some of our players are misbehaving under Jose Mourinho. Jose Mourinho. Imagine what they'd do to a manager with poor credentials?
Eddie Howe would get chewed up and spat out by the players. It's a risk, simply not worth taking, when there are managers out there who do have the credentials to make our players sit down and listen.
Click to expand...

Our players aren't unruly schoolchildren who are going to misbehave at every opportunity. They want to enjoy themselves, they want to feel respected and they want to be successful. Moyes failed straight away by failing the first two points. He played horrid football, patronised the players and was the least inspiring man I've ever seen. LVG and Jose are as decorated and experienced as anyone in the game, yet these credentials have proved to be worthless. Howe is a young manager who probably understands the modern young player better than most older managers, along with being capable enough to turn one of the most bog standard lower league teams in England into one of the top 15, within a fairly short period of time. He carries himself well in interviews, seems fairly intelligent. I don't see why the players wouldn't look forward to working with him after the recent mess with managers who thought they knew everything.
Yes, it would take time for him to settle in given the scale of the job, but there's no obvious reason why he wouldn't be able to handle the adjustment. We're going to be taking a risk on any new manager, so why not on one with unknown potential, who would stay for ages, rather than one who will probably be gone again in 3-4 years, win or lose.
 
sunama said:
Football doesn't work like that buddy.
When you come to MUFC (or any top club), you better have some sort of credential which makes players listen.
When Moyes came to us, our players had the attitude of, "Who are you? What have you won? We've won more than you."
From the start this created a lot of problems and the players simply did not buy into Moyes' tactics.
Woodward learned from this and from then on only appointed big name managers who have won big trophies.
Remember, some of our players are misbehaving under Jose Mourinho. Jose Mourinho. Imagine what they'd do to a manager with poor credentials?
Eddie Howe would get chewed up and spat out by the players. It's a risk, simply not worth taking, when there are managers out there who do have the credentials to make our players sit down and listen.
Click to expand...
I’m not sure about this. Moyes seemed to go out of his way to make himself hated by putting a stop to what he saw as privileges to certain players (Rio and RvP certainly; possibly others) that had been established by Fergie to reduce the chances of them getting injured. He also swung his dick around, sacked all the backroom staff, and acted like the Lord Almighty to the tea ladies and kit washers. Presumably because of insecurity.

I’ve no idea if Eddie Howe would be able to cope or not, but if he’s capable of combining belief in himself with a degree of humility and readiness to learn, I see no reason why the players wouldn’t respect him. If he were able to produce a tactical plan that the players understood and felt comfortable with executing, they’d soon forget that he came from Bournemouth.

Players aren’t fans. They don’t live in the past. They are concerned with what they’re going to be doing in today’s training, or the weekend’s match. Not what their manager may have won with some prehistoric players when they were still at school.
 
Just realise "Zidane" isn't an option at the Poll.
Should've extracted him out of the "Other" by now, considering his popularity.

If the reports are to believed, he's not interested in managerial work for now. Could be convinced next year, end of season or early Jan. Minds can easily change.

---

Ancelotti questioned the club's ambition before, specifically the owners and whoever is in charge, which he have a point. Ed and Glazers are content with just champions league football every season. Not achieve that and you'll get the sack. Top 4 or win EL to qualify CL next and you can keep the job. Chance of him taking the job is so low, maybe end of season earliest if he could be convinced, no way he's parting with Napoli now, they're doing well.

Anyway, Blanc's PSG isn't that bad to watch, attractive football, though that may has more to do with the quality of the players he has. Not bad in winning trophies, didn't do too bad in CL - "left" (polite official word of being sacked) after losing quarter final which brought negative headlines to him and PSG.
His prev club, he did a superb job too, Bordeaux, superb job at CL with this club.
Did fine with France NT, after the drama and big suspension of their many good players.
Great player played for many big clubs, ex United player and important French NT player, won big trophies, so should get the respects from players and he can manage egos. Overall record as a manager is not that bad, trophies he overhauled is not bad. He has been out of job for a long time now. Good option. He seems to be very selective though when taking managerial role. Managing United would be a good challenge.
 
Pickpocket Tuchel from PSG next season when he only has a year left on his contract, just do it.
 
GlastonSpur said:
It does if you get rid of the players who think that football doesn't work that way … those who put their puffed-up, molly-coddled egos ahead of the team, manager and club.

The players are misbehaving under Mourinho partly because of ego, and partly because he criticises them in public and they don't like the way he sets them up to play.

But if you want United to continue down the 'big-name' route, then good luck to you … you'll need it.
Click to expand...
Come off it - you're just enjoying having a dig at rational posters and at United. Yes, Howe is NOT good enough for Manchester United. We're talking about the biggest football club in Britain, the most recognisable sporting brand in the world along with the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona. Not just footballing brand.

It would be completely unacceptable for United to bring in Howe - anybody who says otherwise is deluded. The increasingly ridiculous mantra of 'OOh, the big names have failed' go to the other extreme and want to bring in a man who won a promotion trophy in the English League. Fair play to Howe. But Manchester United material he is not yet and he may very well never be.

News for you - most other clubs would snap your hand off to have a United decline. Two prestigious trophies under the two recent managers. Not good enough for United of course. But better than most clubs will get close to. That is our standard.

Finally, no Manchester United will never be like Spurs who won their last title in 1961. Says it all really. You're just bitter and resentful.
 
Revaulx said:
I’m not sure about this. Moyes seemed to go out of his way to make himself hated by putting a stop to what he saw as privileges to certain players (Rio and RvP certainly; possibly others) that had been established by Fergie to reduce the chances of them getting injured. He also swung his dick around, sacked all the backroom staff, and acted like the Lord Almighty to the tea ladies and kit washers. Presumably because of insecurity.

I’ve no idea if Eddie Howe would be able to cope or not, but if he’s capable of combining belief in himself with a degree of humility and readiness to learn, I see no reason why the players wouldn’t respect him. If he were able to produce a tactical plan that the players understood and felt comfortable with executing, they’d soon forget that he came from Bournemouth.

Players aren’t fans. They don’t live in the past. They are concerned with what they’re going to be doing in today’s training, or the weekend’s match. Not what their manager may have won with some prehistoric players when they were still at school.
Click to expand...
Sorry, this increasingly desperate wish for Eddie Howe is wishful thinking at this stage, it's unlikely at any time and it's a symptom of a certain irrationality that is sweeping some sectors of United's support.

United's squad would immediately think and say, 'Who are you, what have you done, what have you won?' They would be absolutely justified to do so. Having a 'good tactical plan' is something all managers employed at football clubs can do from the top to the bottom leagues. That in itself would do nothing to quell players' disbelief that their new manager has no credentials for the job other than doing a good job and being a good bloke at a minnow club.

World Cup winners and winners at the highest level in football despite the faults some of them are displaying at the moment, would not respect somebody who has done nothing in real footballing success terms. A promotion trophy with Bournemouth just won't cut it in this day and age.

This is not United post Wilf McGuiness and Frank O'Farrell. This club won 13 Premier League titles under Sir Alex Ferguson who didn't retire so long ago plus 2 European Cups not to mention a stack of other honours.

The day United employs a manager with a good rep who got Bournemouth promoted will be an incredibly odd day. It won't happen. It would also be an insult to past United players such as Giggsy and Nev who know the club inside out and were crucial to its enormous success under Sir Alex. They should be considered as potential managers if we are going to get away from big names with proven success.

Eddie doesn't even have a fraction of their experiences. I agree with you on David Moyes and another small name manager would be watched like a hawk and told his limits. There is no way such a manager would be given the free hand Moyes was given. But here again we come back to the problem of some United supporters clamouring for a new face with no experience on United's level.

And what those supporters are forgetting and some of them don't even know. Alex Ferguson transformed Aberdeen before he came to United. And he had experience of success in Europe with a trophy not as prestigious as the European Cup but at a high level of European football nevertheless.
 
Last edited:
Sky1981 said:
You wouldn't know moyes a moron until united.
Click to expand...
Absolutely. David Moyes did a respectable job with Everton, seemed low-key and down to earth with no ego problems, didn't shatter the footballing world with Everton but they won games and were solid.

Moyes' insecurities showed themselves when he was handed the United job on a gold platter. Of course United has found out what allowing such a manager such freedom resulted in - it wouldn't make the same mistake with Eddie Howe.

But it should never offer Eddie the job anyway. It would be a steep, potentially disastrous learning curve, he has no hands-on experience with a top flight football organisation let alone United's and no experience with players at a completely different level than Bournemouth.

Howe is one of a number of managers doing a good job with limited resources. The idea that top flight players are donkeys who can just go along with a manager who has very limited experience and therefore little that is on their level to offer, is a recipe for mutiny.

The idea that because Howe can have a good tactical plan makes him suitable for United level players and they will respond better to him than LVG or Jose because of his success at Bournemouth, he's a good bloke, and he has a promotion trophy is just silly.
 
@ryansgirl Oh I can assure you I’m not clamouring for Eddie Howe, and am fully aware that his achievements are nothing as compared to SAF’s pre-United.

I’m just unconvinced by arguments that players are that excited or awed by a new manager’s past achievements. Alan Ball wore his World Cup medal to training sessions when he was City manager. If that made the players respect him, it didn’t translate into good results.
 
Revaulx said:
@ryansgirl Oh I can assure you I’m not clamouring for Eddie Howe, and am fully aware that his achievements are nothing as compared to SAF’s pre-United.

I’m just unconvinced by arguments that players are that excited or awed by a new manager’s past achievements. Alan Ball wore his World Cup medal to training sessions when he was City manager. If that made the players respect him, it didn’t translate into good results.
Click to expand...
I get you. I think in Alan Ball's case he seems to have had an unlikeable personality if what I have read about him in the past is true. Wearing his World Cup medal in front of the players may have led to sniggers instead of respect.

I'm not against Eddie Howe being given an opportunity to work in some capacity at Manchester United. I don't know if that's possible, I don't know how it could be done, maybe part of the coaching staff, probably he wouldn't want to leave a club that he has improved as manager for a coaching position elsewhere. But that would be an opportunity to see him up close and give him experience at Manchester United. Thinking of the longer term.
 
Eddie Howe, the manager of Manchester United.

Nope, sorry. Doesn’t ring right with me.
As a matter of fact, I’ve been watching football for 27 years and Im yet to see an English manager who was good enough to manage Manchester United.
Sure, there’s Always a first, but I don’t think Eddie Howe is going to be tbat first.
 
I actually quite like Eddie Howe and have often wondered whether he's got the potential to manage a big club. But it's possibly too a big a risk for us to take. Depends on what we feel his potential is. Still, I am interested in seeing his progression as a manager. I really like the work he's done at Bournemouth and the football they play.
 
Sir Scott McToMinay said:
Eddie Howe, the manager of Manchester United.

Nope, sorry. Doesn’t ring right with me.
As a matter of fact, I’ve been watching football for 27 years and Im yet to see an English manager who was good enough to manage Manchester United.
Sure, there’s Always a first, but I don’t think Eddie Howe is going to be tbat first.
Click to expand...
What do you think are the reasons English managers are not good enough? I'm not disputing that - I just want you to break it down.

I do know at the national level, it was frustrating watching the England team go out at this year's World Cup to a large extent because of Southgate's lack of tactical nouse. I understand some of our players lacked experience but that wasn't all of the reason - seeing Southgate not change tactics for the next team and after hearing before the game that was his intention made me disagree with the whole 'It's coming home' premature celebrations.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.