RIP Paul Allen

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Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen dies of cancer at age 65
  • Microsoft Co-Founder Paul Allen died at 65 from complications of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.
  • The Seattle billionaire disclosed earlier this month that he was receiving treatment for the disease.
  • Allen was a philanthropist and also the owner of the NBA's Portland Trail Blazers, the NFL's Seattle Seahawks and had a stake in Seattle's Sounders soccer team.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/15/microsoft-co-founder-paul-allen-dies-of-cancer-at-age-65.html
 
I hope he donated Octopus, his explorer yacht (along with a multi-million fund to operate it), to some scientific organization. It's really a unique yacht actually equipped for science missions and deserves to continue in that role not just turn into some heir's playtoy
 
One of the best programmers of all time, a prodigy who did stuff which is hard to believe it is possible to do. Didn't know that he was battling cancer since 2009, and actually he defeated it the first time he went sick in 1983.

Unsurprisingly, @Eboue looks at the worst on people (not that donating money to Republicans is neither a crime, nor morally wrong), instead of mentioning how he donated 2 billion dollars during his life, including a large part on AIDS research.
 
Will always remember him for his wacky conferences.
Think I'm confusing him with Balmer.
 
Mockney said:
It is.
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From your point of view (and many others). Personally, donating money to them is one of the last things I would ever do.

However, if you agree with the 'low taxes means better economy' philosophy, then donating money to them is not morally wrong. There are a lot of people who believe on that (and the economy booming under Trump) makes a lot of people believe that.
 
Revan said:
From your point of view (and many others). Personally, donating money to them is one of the last things I would ever do.

However, if you agree with the 'low taxes means better economy' philosophy, then donating money to them is not morally wrong. There are a lot of people who believe on that (and the economy booming under Trump) makes a lot of people believe that.
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that's some weak ass thinking. you equivocatin like a motherfeck
 
People say to me all the time ''isn't investing in Scythed bicycle wheels at bit you know mean and morally dubious''. Well if your like me and you agree that our city streets should have easy and uncluttered access then razor sharp scythed wheels are worth investing in. And I'll let you know something else there are a lot of people who believe this as well(Thanks to a couple of test tries my street is completely empty)
 
Eboue said:
that's some weak ass thinking. you equivocatin like a motherfeck
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No, I am not. I am saying that if people agree with Republican politics, then from their POV it is not evil/morally wrong to donate money to them. And a lot of people agree with those politics, otherwise, they wouldn't be controlling Presidency, Senate, House, Supreme Court and most federal states.

Your 'you're either with me, or you're wrong' is a dictatorial type of judgement. The aggressive left 'knew it all' people might have been a big reason in the current rise of right wing populism.
 
Revan said:
The aggressive left 'knew it all' people might have been a big reason in the current rise of right wing populism.
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it's either decades of a broken system making life harder for so many people they veer outside recent historical norms or a bunch of people calling jeff bezos a dick on the internet, hard to know tbh
 
RIP. Very few people can claim to have fundamentally changed the way we live. He is one of them.
 
Revan said:
And a lot of people agree with those politics, otherwise, they wouldn't be controlling Presidency, Senate, House, Supreme Court and most federal states.
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You literally made this same point last month.


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Why then the evil Republicans who aren't supported by anyone control house, senate, presidency and are governators in most states?
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I explained why that wasnt accurate analysis.

Eboue said:
because republicans engage in massive voter disenfranchisement and gerrymandering and democrats are neoliberal cowards who havent presented a compelling platform. 110 million eligible voters didnt even vote in 2016 and for many its because they dont want to choose between Corporate Party That Hates Gays and Corporate Party Thats Fine With Gays
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And you didnt respond.

So forgive me for thinking you arent engaging in good faith. You just like to prat around in these threads with your billionaire apologism and then ignore any points that conflict with your very limited understanding of American politics.
 
Revan said:
No, I am not. I am saying that if people agree with Republican politics, then from their POV it is not evil/morally wrong to donate money to them. And a lot of people agree with those politics, otherwise, they wouldn't be controlling Presidency, Senate, House, Supreme Court and most federal states.

Your 'you're either with me, or you're wrong' is a dictatorial type of judgement. The aggressive left 'knew it all' people might have been a big reason in the current rise of right wing populism.
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You'll see this sort of sentiment on both the alt-right and Trump crowds as well as on the regressive-left. Basically, people's brains have been coopted by network homophily to where they are disincentivized from independent thought, and are instead incentivized to embrace groupthink that will result in them being accepted into their clan of choice (whether on the left or right), and its usually undergirded by a moral or noble position.
 
Raoul said:
You'll see this sort of sentiment on both the alt-right and Trump crowds as well as on the regressive-left. Basically, people's brains have been coopted by network homophily to where they are disincentivized from independent thought, and are instead incentivized to embrace groupthink that will result in them being accepted into their clan of choice (whether on the left or right), and its usually undergirded by a moral or noble position.
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that link doesn't say what you think it says, it's not about being living in a bubble, it's about schoolboys being friends with schoolboys and schoolgirls being friends with schoolgirls a lot of the time but it not really mattering because people are also friends with others too because no one is just one thing
 
Eboue said:
You literally made this same point last month.
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Eboue said:
because republicans engage in massive voter disenfranchisement and gerrymandering and democrats are neoliberal cowards who havent presented a compelling platform. 110 million eligible voters didnt even vote in 2016 and for many its because they dont want to choose between Corporate Party That Hates Gays and Corporate Party Thats Fine With Gays
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1) It is totally normal for a lot of people to not vote. This isn't some American-only thing. In almost every country (bar North Korea and co.) a large part of the population doesn't vote.

2) There is a big jump going from not liking Democrats to voting for the 'death cult' or whatever Republicans were called. Maybe those 60-70m people really think that Republicans are the right choice. Disagreeing with them is totally okay, heck, I fill dirty even going into this attempt to relativize things considering that I strongly dislike that party, but you have to understand that point of view.

Even accepting the argument of gerrymandering (which Democrats do too, right), still they go circa 50% of the vote for the House.

Eboue said:
So forgive me for thinking you arent engaging in good faith. You just like to prat around in these threads with your billionaire apologism and then ignore any points that conflict with your very limited understanding of American politics.
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I have said multiple times that I am for a progressive tax, which taxes very high the ultra rich. That isn't billionaire apologist. Calling people twats for not agreeing with you 'that the mob should chop off billionaire heads' on the other side...
 
Raoul said:
You'll see this sort of sentiment on both the alt-right and Trump crowds as well as on the regressive-left. Basically, people's brains have been coopted by network homophily to where they are disincentivized from independent thought, and are instead incentivized to embrace groupthink that will result in them being accepted into their clan of choice (whether on the left or right), and its usually undergirded by a moral or noble position.
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:lol: regressive left. People want to spend time with people they like, shocking. The same goes for centrists and center right and center left and every other group.
 
Raoul said:
You'll see this sort of sentiment on both the alt-right and Trump crowds as well as on the regressive-left. Basically, people's brains have been coopted by network homophily to where they are disincentivized from independent thought, and are instead incentivized to embrace groupthink that will result in them being accepted into their clan of choice (whether on the left or right), and its usually undergirded by a moral or noble position.
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Exactly, and the Caf is rapidly declining into that state.

Far left have become exactly what they have been hating. An another 'Tea Party'.
 
Silva said:
that link doesn't say what you think it says, it's not about being living in a bubble, it's about schoolboys being friends with schoolboys and schoolgirls being friends with schoolgirls
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Its speaks to the basic premise that people are incentivized to cluster into agreeable groups, which when put into a network theory view creates the sort of tribal warfare we see in the social media world.
 
Eboue said:
:lol: regressive left. People want to spend time with people they like, shocking. The same goes for centrists and center right and center left and every other group.
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Centrists generally don't have any issues talking to one another like grown ups. Its the fringes who struggle with talking to the other fringes like grown ups.
 
Raoul said:
Its speaks to the basic premise that people are incentivized to cluster into agreeable groups, which when put into a network theory view creates the sort of tribal warfare we see in the social media world.
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this is a thing that also happened throughout all of time dude, it's not about the specific moment we live in and it's not about politics it's about people you know in real life

you could not be applying it worse
 
Silva said:
this is a thing that also happened throughout all of time dude, it's not about the specific moment we live in and it's not about politics it's about people you know in real life

you could not be applying it worse
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Agreed, but its intensified with the internet and social media since people are communicating more in the present than at anytime before.
 
Raoul said:
Centrists generally don't have any issues talking to one another like grown ups. Its the fringes who struggle with talking to the other fringes like grown ups.
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leftist don't have any issues talking to eachother like grown ups. it's the centrists who struggle with talking to other fringes like grown ups.

rightists don't bla bla

anarchists don't etc.

it's a truism not a critique
 
Revan said:
1) It is totally normal for a lot of people to not vote. This isn't some American-only thing. In almost every country (bar North Korea and co.) a large part of the population doesn't vote.

2) There is a big jump going from not liking Democrats to voting for the 'death cult' or whatever Republicans were called. Maybe those 60-70m people really think that Republicans are the right choice. Disagreeing with them is totally okay, heck, I fill dirty even going into this attempt to relativize things considering that I strongly dislike that party, but you have to understand that point of view.

Even accepting the argument of gerrymandering (which Democrats do too, right), still they go circa 50% of the vote for the House.



I have said multiple times that I am for a progressive tax, which taxes very high the ultra rich. That isn't billionaire apologist. Calling people twats for not agreeing with you 'that the mob should chop off billionaire heads' on the other side...
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The us is near the bottom in voter participation among developed countries. We dont have understand billionaires who donate to Republicans. We dont have to understand racists who vote trump. We dont need to understand people who own multiple yachts and defund public schools. We need to defeat them. You cant beat them with facts and logic if they dont care about facts and logic. You have to defeat them.


As for the last part, I dont call people twats for not agreeing with me. I called 4bars a twat because he was making fun of poor people who wanted clean water in their house.
 
Silva said:
leftist don't have any issues talking to eachother like grown ups. it's the centrists who struggle with talking to other fringes like grown ups.

rightists don't bla bla

anarchists don't etc.

it's a truism not a critique
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So you agree then. Very good.
 
Raoul said:
Centrists generally don't have any issues talking to one another like grown ups. Its the fringes who struggle with talking to the other fringes like grown ups.
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Centrists have no issues talking like grown ups about billions in arms deals to Saudi Arabia and the moral necessity of invading iraq. Talking like grown ups isnt all its cracked up to be.
 
Raoul said:
Agreed, but its intensified with the internet and social media since people are communicating more in the present than at anytime before.
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but your links point isn't that people struggle to understand someone else, it's that people belong to lots of groups, i.e a gay black woman might go to websites and forums that are about gay issues, black issues, women's issues etc. it's not that people get stuck in one bubble, it's that people enter lots and lots of bubbles that are applicable to them
 
Revan said:
Exactly, and the Caf is rapidly declining into that state.

Far left have become exactly what they have been hating. An another 'Tea Party'.
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Its a problem on both extremes, generally because the participants on both extremes are 100% sure they are morally correct and don't want to cede any power. Its a revolution or bust mentality.
 
Paul Allen, a billionaire in his sixties, may have donated to a party hostile to human life whose policies are rapidly destroying the planet even though he will be dead before the worst of it, but at least he knew which fork is for salad.
 
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