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So I just want to share a few insights from the informal groups of working class I listened to over the last two weeks. This wasn't a formal focus group but most I'd guess were in the moderate, independent, centrist-libertarian camps. I didn't participate, I just listened at lunch. The two selections were 80-85% male and skewed towards minorities but include white, black, Latino, Arab, Persian, Korean and Chinese Americans. The main insight confirmed my belief that identity politics is a big loser for the Democrats.
Big talking point over both groups. No one likes it in these groups. Not the females and not the minorities. Several claimed to have gay/lesbian relatives that didn't even like identity politics. One example that got brought up multiple times was local - Cal State Long Beach removing their old mascot Prospector Pete. In general everyone believed this was unnecessary and yet another example of the 'left going too far'. I wasn't even aware that "prospectors" or "49ers" were now considered racist symbols.
Immigration was a mixed bag of both Dem and Rep policies. Most people supported stronger checks on illegal immigration, believed in stronger policies at the border but also opposed Trump's separation policy and generally supported a path to citizenship for those brought to the US as minors. Other examples were that the US is already easier to immigrate to than places like Japan or the UK or Australia. Whether that is true, I am not sure but the perception is definitely that its easier for a UK/Japanese person to immigrate to the US than a US person to immigrate to the UK/Japan.
Trump's protectionism wasn't talked about much but I was disappointed the talk wasn't more negative. Trump is generally perceived as good for most businesses with some exceptions. In short, Trump is seen as an asshole but who cares if he is good for business.
Civility wasn't a thing. No one cared that Trump calls people names or is mean. No one cares that Democrat activists are accosting Mitch McConnel in restaurants. Let them voice their opinions. No one mention anything like that online Hannity meme "mobs not jobs" or whatever.
All US governments are too easy on Saudi Arabia. Because oil and money. Both Dem and Rep are weak to standing up to Saudi Arabia.
Health care wasn't discussed. More a private topic I think.
the democratic party had TWO YEARS to come up with a compelling message to voters. what is it?
So I just want to share a few insights from the informal groups of working class I listened to over the last two weeks. This wasn't a formal focus group but most I'd guess were in the moderate, independent, centrist-libertarian camps. I didn't participate, I just listened at lunch. The two selections were 80-85% male and skewed towards minorities but include white, black, Latino, Arab, Persian, Korean and Chinese Americans. The main insight confirmed my belief that identity politics is a big loser for the Democrats.
Big talking point over both groups. No one likes it in these groups. Not the females and not the minorities. Several claimed to have gay/lesbian relatives that didn't even like identity politics. One example that got brought up multiple times was local - Cal State Long Beach removing their old mascot Prospector Pete. In general everyone believed this was unnecessary and yet another example of the 'left going too far'. I wasn't even aware that "prospectors" or "49ers" were now considered racist symbols.
Immigration was a mixed bag of both Dem and Rep policies. Most people supported stronger checks on illegal immigration, believed in stronger policies at the border but also opposed Trump's separation policy and generally supported a path to citizenship for those brought to the US as minors. Other examples were that the US is already easier to immigrate to than places like Japan or the UK or Australia. Whether that is true, I am not sure but the perception is definitely that its easier for a UK/Japanese person to immigrate to the US than a US person to immigrate to the UK/Japan.
Trump's protectionism wasn't talked about much but I was disappointed the talk wasn't more negative. Trump is generally perceived as good for most businesses with some exceptions. In short, Trump is seen as an asshole but who cares if he is good for business.
Civility wasn't a thing. No one cared that Trump calls people names or is mean. No one cares that Democrat activists are accosting Mitch McConnel in restaurants. Let them voice their opinions. No one mention anything like that online Hannity meme "mobs not jobs" or whatever.
All US governments are too easy on Saudi Arabia. Because oil and money. Both Dem and Rep are weak to standing up to Saudi Arabia.
Health care wasn't discussed. More a private topic I think.
Trump badthe democratic party had TWO YEARS to come up with a compelling message to voters. what is it?
Vote for us because Trump is bad.
Trump bad
the democratic party had TWO YEARS to come up with a compelling message to voters. what is it?
Since it seems the Kavanaugh thread was deleted/moved into this one:
And Obama now too
Twats are getting emboldened. Shit's ominous.
Yeah but we are just over-exaggerating and fear mongering. Nothing to worry about really. (According to some of the Trumpers on here)
Hmmmm.... So Clinton's, Obama's, Soros AND The White House? Something doesn't fit right there. Attacking all Dems then the WH?
He was the Speaker of the House for a few years.
I think that the shift to the right started under Reagan, continued under Gingrich and the Tea Party and then Trump was just a natural extension to it. However, Reagan nowadays would look one of the most moderate Republicans, heck, he was more moderate than the so called moderates like McCain, Romney and co.
Well, Bill Maher might have you think different of Reagan.
yeah but that was the 2016 message. and now republicans control all branches of the federal government and a vast majority of state governments