Has political correctness actually gone mad?

SquishyMcSquish said:
Also the like/dislike ratio on that documentary trailer is hilarious.

People reject this crap, and they reject it aggressively. The more you attempt to push it on them, the more they will push back.
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Double down bro, clearly you don't need to watch it now because of the amount of people triggered enough to downvote the trailer justifies that position.

SquishyMcSquish said:
trying to repress comedy and tell people what they can and can't laugh at, people will naturally just turn to other mediums
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:lol:

You see what I mean? Fox (who have numerous other edgy shows which will remain untouched) are now being forced to repress comedy?

Talk about overstate/exaggerate the issue. I agree to @Sweet Square. It's worth it to see y'all get bent out of shape over it.

Bojan11 said:
Yawn. Thought I was on ignore, yet you keep responding. Seems you keep getting triggered.

You call people ignorant because they don’t agree with you or some documentary. Just shows what a short sighted snowflake of a person you are.

Hurt feelings? No I just feel sorry that everything offends you. You were never like this a few years ago. Resetera really brainwashed you.
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Guess it was time to forget the thread topic and attack the poster?

Carry them feelings until they give you kidney stones... Clearly still angry.
 
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afrocentricity said:
Double down bro, clearly you don't need to watch it now because of the amount of people triggered enough to discuss the trailer justifies that position.


:lol:

You see what I mean? Fox (who have numerous other edgy shows which will remain untouched) are now being forced to repress comedy?

Talk about overstate/exaggerate the issue. I agree to @Sweet Square. It's worth it to see y'all get bent out of shape over it.
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I'm honestly not that arsed about it. I don't even watch the show anymore, haven't for years. I just think it sets a dangerous precedent when you're cherry picking which characters are offensive based on how vocal a minority is. I also would be very surprised if in the next ten years we don't see shows like family guy forced to remove characters, tone it down etc.

I will actually watch the documentary, I'm quite interested to see how he justifies taking such a big stance over a minor character in a cartoon. I got the general jist of his argument from the trailer (and wasn't exactly convinced) but I'm sure he'll go more in depth. That said, I'm not exactly sure where I can watch it from the U.K.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
I'm honestly not that arsed about it. I don't even watch the show anymore, haven't for years. I just think it sets a dangerous precedent when you're cherry picking which characters are offensive based on how vocal a minority is. I also would be very surprised if in the next ten years we don't see shows like family guy forced to remove characters, tone it down etc.

I will actually watch the documentary, I'm quite interested to see how he justifies taking such a big stance over a minor character in a cartoon. I got the general jist of his argument from the trailer (and wasn't exactly convinced) but I'm sure he'll go more in depth. That said, I'm not exactly sure where I can watch it from the U.K.
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Publicity I'd bet. Doesn't tear up any trees with his own comedy so takes swipes at a household name like the Simpsons.
 
afrocentricity said:
Double down bro, clearly you don't need to watch it now because of the amount of people triggered enough to discuss the trailer justifies that position.


:lol:

You see what I mean? Fox (who have numerous other edgy shows which will remain untouched) are now being forced to repress comedy?

Talk about overstate/exaggerate the issue. I agree to @Sweet Square. It's worth it to see y'all get bent out of shape over it.


Guess it was time to forget the thread topic and attack the poster?

Carry them feelings until they give you kidney stones... Clearly still angry.
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What you going on about attacking the poster? You started attacking me with the accusations that I was stalking you. I tagged you a few times in the neogaf era as a joke and you got offended. Then the other week started crying again after your ridiculous post in the mod section, when all you could have done is tagged a mod to change the title.

I’m not angry at anything. I’m just laughing that someone who claims to put me on ignore keeps responding. Clearly something is bothering you. Maybe you should use your own advice and stop getting triggered. If somebody doesn’t agree with you that doesn’t make them ignorant.
 
2 man midfield said:
Publicity I'd bet. Doesn't tear up any trees with his own comedy so takes swipes at a household name like the Simpsons.
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He likes the Simpsons :rolleyes:

Bojan11 said:
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Carry them feelings until they give you kidney stones... You know what you're doing. Most of your posts containing my name since the Neogaf thread are designed to bait me out. A lot of them, attributing false positions in my name.

Just move on and stop being such a weirdo.
 
afrocentricity said:
He likes the Simpsons :rolleyes:


Carry them feelings until they give you kidney stones... You know what you're doing. Most of your posts containing my name are designed to bait me out. A lot of them, attributing false positions in my name.

Just move on and stop being such a weirdo.
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Yes, we had a lot of discussions over the years. So why you crying for? What false positions? I’m just calling you a hypocrite.

You were moaning at me for saying resetera is full of idiots. Then telling me and others don’t bother going there, when we were making fun of it. Yet you sit in the is the United forum safe thread moaning about the United forum and then you moan about the mods to top it off. Why don’t you just follow your own advice and avoid it?

Then you sit on here calling people ignorant, if they do not agree with you.
 
Bojan11 said:
Yes, we had a lot of discussions over the years. So why you crying for? What false positions? I’m just calling you a hypocrite.

You were moaning at me for saying resetera is full of idiots. Then telling me and others don’t bother going there, when we were making fun of it. Yet you sit in the is the United forum safe thread moaning about the United forum and then you moan about the mods to top it off. Why don’t you just follow your own advice and avoid it?

Then you sit on here calling people ignorant, if they do not agree with you.
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God you're tedious. I do avoid it you melon, aren't you paying attention? I've been avoiding you too. Fat lot of good that's doing tho isn't it? Move on....

And yes. Resetera/Neogaf is full of idiots. My point was (and you know this) that you can just go there to get your news and move on. You chose to get all in your feelings and here you are, a year later, still acting up.

If someone were to tell me they are putting me on ignore why would I then choose to keep tagging and quoting them, months after the fact? Unless I was trying to bait them out? I guess you are a special case?

As for calling people ignorant for not agreeing with me, that's another example of you misrepresenting me. I said it's ignorant to ignore the arguement, but you would know that if you could get past your feelings.

Making posts about SJWs etc and tagging me in as if I'm interested in anything you have to say? Just let it go.... It's cringe.

So I'll say it one more time. Move on.... I was done with this a year ago. I will not respond as this is shitting up the thread.


MadMike said:
You mean, the movie The Problem with Apu? Where did you find it?
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I saw it on a Kodi box. There maybe a video on YouTube or a similar site.
 
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afrocentricity said:
God you're tedious. I do avoid it you melon, aren't you paying attention? I've been avoiding you too. Fat lot of good that's doing tho isn't it? Move on....

If someone were to tell me they are putting me on ignore why would I then choose to keep tagging and quoting them, months after the fact? Unless I was trying to bait them out? I guess you are a special case?

As for calling people ignorant for not agreeing with me, that's another example of you misrepresenting me. I said it's ignorant to ignore the arguement, but you would know that if you could get past your feelings.

Making posts about SJWs etc and tagging me in as if I'm interested in anything you have to say? Just let it go.... It's cringe.

So I'll say it one more time. Move on.... I was done with this a year ago. I will not respond as this is shitting up the thread.
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So again you be a hypocrite. You moan about attacking the poster and then call me a melon. You are the gift that keeps giving. How’s that ignore working out for you? Doesn’t look too good.

It’s not another example of misinterpreting you. You blatantly said if anybody doesn’t agree with me or documentary about Apu then they are ignorant.

Also what’s with the three fullstops at the end constantly? Do you stutter or something?
 
2 man midfield said:
Publicity I'd bet. Doesn't tear up any trees with his own comedy so takes swipes at a household name like the Simpsons.
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As far as I'm aware he wasn't doing it to just take a swipe at the show itself - he admits he's a big, longtime fan and that he thinks Apu's generally a decent, well-developed character, but by the same token he feels like there are certain elements of his character that are fairly problematic, and that's something he wants to explore further. I don't see anything wrong with that at all. Critiques of media and of various TV shows are all over the place, and unlike him plenty try to gain a platform by just slating or tearing apart a show for the sake of it.
 
afrocentricity said:
I agree to @Sweet Square. It's worth it to see y'all get bent out of shape over it.
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They are like the luddites in the industrial revolution trying to destroy the weaving machinery, it's was over as soon as the machines were in the workshop. As soon as women, minorities and a global audience all started to be a part of consumer culture then theses outrage white men had lost all cultural power. As bad as capitalism is, it always follows the money. So with the combination of a global audience, minorities, white people who also agree or simply don't care enough to actively do anything against it, the ''SJW'' are going to win and they are going shape the way television, movies, video games and any other way we consume culture. And good because we had decades and decades of the other stuff(And its all there recorded, it's not like people are burning it).


So yeah sit back and enjoy watching them rage in angry and pointless destroy their machines.
 
Bojan11 said:
Stalking you? I’m responding to your silly posts. Here we go again with the ignore bullshit. If you have me on ignore, how the feck are you seeing my posts? Make sense please.

Nobody told you to mock your friend with Apus voice. That was your decision not the shows. I’m not going to do a impression of Hitler like Basil Fawlty whenever I see a German.

Apu was one of the few characters on the show who was portrayed positively. Yet we have people like you moaning because you don’t like his accent. I don’t see any Scottish people moaning about Willy. I don’t see rednecks moaning about Cletus.
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I mean...the point of that entire routine is that Basil comes across as being incredibly embarrassing and offensive, with the humour being that the viewer knows that while he's completely oblivious. It's clearly a different case to someone mockingly using Apu's accent.

Much as Willie draws on a lot of caricatures as a character, there's probably a different background with Apu insofar as Asian people have historically been treated a lot worse in America than Scots have been.
 
afrocentricity said:
He likes the Simpsons :rolleyes:
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Who doesn’t?

It sounds to me a bit like when an offended blogger starts their piece by saying “anyone who knows me knows I have a great sense of humour...” before saying something was offensive, just to establish a bit of credibility first.

I’m probably being very cynical though.


Cheesy said:
As far as I'm aware he wasn't doing it to just take a swipe at the show itself - he admits he's a big, longtime fan and that he thinks Apu's generally a decent, well-developed character, but by the same token he feels like there are certain elements of his character that are fairly problematic, and that's something he wants to explore further. I don't see anything wrong with that at all. Critiques of media and of various TV shows are all over the place, and unlike him plenty try to gain a platform by just slating or tearing apart a show for the sake of it.
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Not the show itself perhaps, but I reckon he knew doing such a thing would create a fairly big furore. Even if he’s just playing to the anti-PC crowd who he knows will lap this sort of stuff up, he’s projecting to a far larger audience than he otherwise would.

I dunno, if that’s how he feels then I don’t have the right to tell him he’s wrong, and he’s entitled to his opinion and his film. I’m just saying I don’t think everyone else should have to stop because of the opinions of one person and a few mates he’s got to appear in it.
 
People are ridiculous. Just take the piss out of everyone equally. Be a dick. feck em.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
The problem is that why does one group possess special rights to get offended, whereas other stereotypes are totally ignored?

Like others have said, it's a cartoon based on stereotypes. Braindead alcoholics, evil businessmen, fat lazy cops .. the list goes on and on. The message it sends out is that you're ok showing negative stereotypes about certain demographics, but others are protected.

You either say no to all 'offensive' stereotypes, or you recognise it's just a cartoon and if you personally find it offensive, turn the television off. You can't pick and choose which ones you don't like.
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I'm an Irishman living in the US. I have had on multiple occasions people imitate my accent to my face and don't get me started on the drinking stereotype. Now if I was of Indian or Asian descent and they imitated my accent and asked me about curry society would see it as a problem.
I have found no malice in it personally but it wears thin after a while. There is always a fecking idiot who doesn't know when to give it up or someone who will stoop lower and talk shit more aggressively. Hurt feelings and pearl clutching shouldn't be reason to continually pidgeon hole society and if that is the direction some wish to go then I want to say that stupidity offends me to the point off depression. I demand that all people I deem stupid for their opinions should be castigated and removed, that includes right wingers, far left wankers, cultural appropriation police that couldn't point out Korea on a map and Liverpool supporters.
 
GiddyUp said:
I'm an Irishman living in the US. I have had on multiple occasions people imitate my accent to my face and don't get me started on the drinking stereotype. Now if I was of Indian or Asian descent and they imitated my accent and asked me about curry society would see it as a problem.
I have found no malice in it personally but it wears thin after a while. There is always a fecking idiot who doesn't know when to give it up or someone who will stoop lower and talk shit more aggressively. Hurt feelings and pearl clutching shouldn't be reason to continually pidgeon hole society and if that is the direction some wish to go then I want to say that stupidity offends me to the point off depression. I demand that all people I deem stupid for their opinions should be castigated and removed, that includes right wingers, far left wankers, cultural appropriation police that couldn't point out Korea on a map and Liverpool supporters.
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You're missing the point. The guy isn't arguing against stereotypes. He's arguing against racism. He's pointing out why that character is racist and advocating changing the character so that it isn't. You can agree or disagree with him on that fact, that's up to you.

I didn't feel that invested or look into it fully when I first commented about it in this thread. I just thought to myself, 'Who cares if they want to change it?'. Bigger things to get outraged over.

Now that I've seen his arguement. I understand him.

2 man midfield said:
Who doesn’t?

It sounds to me a bit like when an offended blogger starts their piece by saying “anyone who knows me knows I have a great sense of humour...” before saying something was offensive, just to establish a bit of credibility first.

I’m probably being very cynical though.
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Ok but forget about what you feel. The guy explains himself fully over the course of an hour. It's not what you think it is.... No need to be cynical.

You may still disagree with him after the fact but at least you'll know what he's arguing.
 
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it's actually racist when i can't say dumb n****** without being called racist
 
Sweet Square said:
They are like the luddites in the industrial revolution trying to destroy the weaving machinery, it's was over as soon as the machines were in the workshop. As soon as women, minorities and a global audience all started to be a part of consumer culture then theses outrage white men had lost all cultural power. As bad as capitalism is, it always follows the money. So with the combination of a global audience, minorities, white people who also agree or simply don't care enough to actively do anything against it, the ''SJW'' are going to win and they are going shape the way television, movies, video games and any other way we consume culture. And good because we had decades and decades of the other stuff(And its all there recorded, it's not like people are burning it).


So yeah sit back and enjoy watching them rage in angry and pointless destroy their machines.
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:lol:

Oh my god you're perfect. I can't tell if this is ironic or not.

I'm genuinely surprised you didn't insert an apology for being white and for your ancestors crimes.
 
Sweet Square said:
They are like the luddites in the industrial revolution trying to destroy the weaving machinery, it's was over as soon as the machines were in the workshop. As soon as women, minorities and a global audience all started to be a part of consumer culture then theses outrage white men had lost all cultural power. As bad as capitalism is, it always follows the money. So with the combination of a global audience, minorities, white people who also agree or simply don't care enough to actively do anything against it, the ''SJW'' are going to win and they are going shape the way television, movies, video games and any other way we consume culture. And good because we had decades and decades of the other stuff(And its all there recorded, it's not like people are burning it).


So yeah sit back and enjoy watching them rage in angry and pointless destroy their machines.
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You are 100% wrong.
IMO the "politically correct"* course of action for any minority is to accept a low level racism and stereotyping. Because any attempt to wipe that out is met with a disproportionate political backlash. The relatively less drastic loss of power among the majority is perceived as a genuine and massive loss, probably because it is coupled with the actual loss of privilege (like the legal outlawing of gross discrimination). There is not point riling up the majority for this.


*not in the sense of the thread title
 
berbatrick said:
You are 100% wrong.
IMO the "politically correct"* course of action for any minority is to accept a low level racism and stereotyping. Because any attempt to wipe that out is met with a disproportionate political backlash. The relatively less drastic loss of power among the majority is perceived as a genuine and massive loss, probably because it is coupled with the actual loss of privilege (like the legal outlawing of gross discrimination). There is not point riling up the majority for this.


*not in the sense of the thread title
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Indeed. He's entirely incorrect that SJWs are winning anyway, sure they might get low level victories like having a character removed but the backlash is always disproportionate to that. People have also flocked to other mediums which aren't mainstream, where content creators can express views without fear of being silenced. Look at how disliked this guys documentary trailer was, that's a pretty clear view on how not on board mainstream opinion is with issues like this.

Pretty much the entire Western world has rallied hard against political correctness, it's roundly despised and the hatred against it has been utilised well in a number of political campaigns.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Look at how disliked this guys documentary trailer was, that's a pretty clear view on how not on board mainstream opinion is with issues like this.
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YouTube isnt a good measure of mainstream opinion. Most people who have accounts on there are 4chan nazis or 13 year olds who think steppenwolf was the peak of music.
 
afrocentricity said:
Found his point a whole lot more compelling than yours tbf. What with all your hyperbole versus his reasoned arguements.
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Shock horror, as someone who is clearly a huge SJW prefers the arguments being put forward by somebody who wants to remove offensive cartoons.

His arguments are so reasonable that the vast majority of people find his point to be ludicrous and he has been roundly slated. Go figure.
 
Eboue said:
YouTube isnt a good measure of mainstream opinion. Most people who have accounts on there are 4chan nazis or 13 year olds who think steppenwolf was the peak of music.
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True, but it's hardly out of line with mainstream opinion .. pretty much all polling shows that people dislike the idea of political correctness, with majorities thinking it has gone too far.

Also, kids are going to flock ever faster to mediums like youtube if you tone down all their cartoons. Kids like to rebel and be edgy.
 
MadMike said:
That’s not what he’s saying though, you realise that right?
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No, but he's equating being called 'whitey' or 'mayonnaise' with calling a black person 'dumb n*****', which is about as bad.
SquishyMcSquish said:
Look at how disliked this guys documentary trailer was
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Like on reddit, sometimes things on YT end up attracting the attention of the 'wrong' crowd, and that will be reflected in the feedback left. And since 90% of the people leaving feedback are thick as shit, you'd have to be pretty fecking stupid to judge the quality of a product based on their opinions.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Shock horror, as someone who is clearly a huge SJW prefers the arguments being put forward by somebody who wants to remove offensive cartoons.

His arguments are so reasonable that the vast majority of people find his point to be ludicrous and he has been roundly slated. Go figure.
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:lol::lol::lol:

I've heard it all now. Guess it doesn't take much to be labeled an SJW nowadays...

And here you are still crying over a (singular) character being written out of a (singular) cartoon.
 
Eboue said:
Has anyone argued that apu isnt a racist character? Or just that its mild racism or that other characters are also racist?
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SquishyMcSquish said:
Like others have said, it's a cartoon based on stereotypes. Braindead alcoholics, evil businessmen, fat lazy cops .. the list goes on and on. The message it sends out is that you're ok showing negative stereotypes about certain demographics, but others are protected.
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Halftrack said:
No, but he's equating being called 'whitey' or 'mayonnaise' with calling a black person 'dumb n*****', which is about as bad.

Like on reddit, sometimes things on YT end up attracting the attention of the 'wrong' crowd, and that will be reflected in the feedback left. And since 90% of the people leaving feedback are thick as shit, you'd have to be pretty fecking stupid to judge the quality of a product based on their opinions.
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Lovely SJW argument. Anybody who disagrees with our opinion is thick as shit. What makes people on youtube any less intelligent than people watching daytime tv?

This will definitely come across really well and will not push people further away.
 
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