Fans are blinkered. It's not a new phenomenon.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Fans are blinkered. It's not a new phenomenon.
VVD is right footed but very good on his weaker left foot. Thats why he plays there.
Just an inkling, but I hope you're right. I was just shocked to see all of Pep's losses at City fit on one page on Sky. Last year only us and Liverpool managed it. You've already passed the Anfield test in the league this year. Let's see what happens on the 11th / at OT...
Man I sure hope Liverpool don't outspend us by 5 to 1 (net) again next season or their fans might just accuse them of buying the league rip up their tickets and never go to Anfield again.
Firstly, we won't (net) and, secondly, I would only worry if we did it 10 years in succession (net).
You've spent over 800 million trying to buy the title
Lotta triggered Liverpool fans in here, kind of weird. What will they be like if they start doing poorly.
You might, I mean this happened in 2016 and I'm still awaiting Jurgen's resignation:
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/liverpools-jurgen-klopp-would-quit-8513660
Do you at least find him hypocritical given two of your squad cost more than any player in Cities history?
Where did you get that 800 million number, when FSG group only bought Liverpool FC for 300 million?
Liverpool have made 190 signings and spent almost £800m during 25-year wait for a 19th league title.
Seems funny ain't it, that United and City fans are keeping the account of Liverpool's spending, instead of focusing on their team.
On a serious note, those 800 million figure have been skewed by last 5 years figure, where the transfer market got absolute beserk. United and City might have spent 1 billion in last 5 years alone.
Seems funny ain't it, that United and City fans are keeping the account of Liverpool's spending, instead of focusing on their team.
On a serious note, those 800 million figure have been skewed by last 5 years figure, where the transfer market got absolute beserk. United and City might have spent 1 billion in last 5 years alone.
Liverpool have spent £1.284 Billion since the PL began.
They are also the 4th biggest spenders in England since the PL began. Only £42 Million behind Man United.
In that time Liverpool have won the following;
1 CL
1 Uefa Cup
2 FA Cup
3 League Cup
Compare that to what United, Arsenal, Chelsea and City have won and it is a joke.
Especially compared to the former 3.
Links?
If I remember it correctly Liverpool spending in '90 was on par with United. City also spent decent amount of money (maybe like Watford's or West Ham's in today comparison).
I like Phil Babb, how much did he cost Liverpool? More than King Eric?
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Yes, Klopp is being hypocritical. But, who cares, and what is your point here? Most people are hypocrites, and definitely all football managers.
My point was in response to a City fan's dismay (above somewhere) when City didn't get the press recognition he felt they deserved for playing most of this season without your best player. The reason being is that can City afford to lose one £50m pound player to injury because they can replace him with another £50m player from the bench. This is just a fact. No other squad has this depth, and the press recognise this (so do most others), hence the low key response to it.
And for the record, yeah, we have spent a shedload on junk over the years. Again, I see this as a fact. Should we have won the league in that time with the money we spent? Maybe. In the late 90s and early 00s I felt we should have been way more competitive, but we kept buying Paul Ince and El Hadj Diouf.
You seem to think I have an issue with City's spending. I don't. I genuinely wish Liverpool's owners had the same cavernous pockets right now. Cos, then we'd win the league, innit.
Focusing on present-day United gives me heartburn. Having a pop at Liverpool is far more rewarding.
The difference being United and City won multiple league titles after spending that money.
I'm only messing with you buddy. If you got it spend it. Said the same since Roman arrived in 04. I just find the klopp comment funny because it was a pure dig at the other managers and then he realised that's not gonna fly in the prem.
We have indeed many £50m players but sane is our only £50m sub fwiw. Bernardo too is expensive at £43m. Outside of those 2 its bravo, kompany, foden, danilo, otamendi, zinchenko, jesus, gundogan or delph. None cost even near £50m. Our bench of £50m players is a myth.
In fact only otamendi cost more than 30 and we only took him because Valencia couldn't pay what they owed on negredo, I think he was something like the negredo fee (valued at 22m) plus 12 on top.
While we are blessed with great depth and crazy lucky to have what we do, we unfortunately don't have 2 £50m players in each position (like the media portray) but no one does, in fact we have 8 players in total who cost over £50m (which is of course still amazing).
More wasn't made of the KDB injury as it didn't really affect them. There was only Liverpool away where he was needed. The majority of their games have been against strong relegation candidates & other teams who will finish in the bottom half of the table. City wouldn't try to say they can't beat relegation fodder with a near £1 Billion squad due to missing 1 player.
It was unlucky for you that as you started to slide the greatest team & manager in the history of the league emerged. As Utd have started to slide your way is now blocked by oligarchs & State funded clubs. It's been very much like a boxing match for you since your last title. You keep getting up but then get knocked down again.
Can’t find any sources that are very reliable but these all state that Liverpool are 4th biggest spenders in PL history.
Surprisingly Spurs are 5th. Both have achieved an embarrassing amount all things considered.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/f...iggest-spending-clubs-ever-sportgalleries/amp
http://www.90min.in/posts/5373330-ranked-top-5-biggest-spenders-in-premier-league-history
http://www.kicktv.com/the-premier-leagues-top-net-spenders-since-1992/
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1001183/Transfer-news-Premier-League-net-spend/amp
We spent a small fortune on Mangala.
Sherminator is injured again. They still have the two Silvas though, the bald and the midget.
In your defence, that was a very shady deal, since most of the money didn't went to FC Porto. God knows why you guys gave so much money for him. Was it because he was a France U23 at the time? He was not even Porto best defender at the time. Maicon was better than him.
Maicon had a meltdown at 2015/16 and had to leave Porto, though
Have to agree. City are so good on many levels - Achademy, Ladies and of course the excellent first team.
What this shows is that as an organisation they are very well managed and have a very good structure.
Can't believe that I am saying all this but unfortunately it is true.
But....some of their best players are getting toward the end of their careers - Firminiho, Kompany and Aguero.
I can only hope that they struggle to replace them in a few years time.
They already have the young players to help the transition. Players like Jesus, Stones, Laporte etc. That’s where we went wrong when the likes of Rio and Scholes were done.
I wonder what will become of the latest Football Leaks revelations about City and FFP. Probably get swept under the carpet.
DER SPIEGEL and the EIC describe in meticulous detail how Infantino, as then-secretary general of UEFA, thwarted his own organization's investigators in order to take the side of the clubs Manchester City (ManCity) and Paris Saint-Germain (PSG), both owned by emirates in the Gulf.
Both clubs are blatantly controlled by authoritarian governments of super-rich Gulf states. Thousands of pages of Football Leaks documents prove:
http://www.spiegel.de/international...saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html
DER SPIEGEL and the EIC describe in meticulous detail how Infantino, as then-secretary general of UEFA, thwarted his own organization's investigators in order to take the side of the clubs Manchester City (ManCity) and Paris Saint-Germain (PSG), both owned by emirates in the Gulf.
Both clubs are blatantly controlled by authoritarian governments of super-rich Gulf states. Thousands of pages of Football Leaks documents prove:
- that ManCity and PSG systematically violated FIFA's financial fair play rules for years;
- that Infantino, as UEFA general secretary, buckled under pressure from Abu Dhabi and Qatar and allowed the clubs from Manchester and Paris to operate with virtual impunity;
- that UEFA failed to punish the clubs and did not expel either of them from the Champions League, as it did with smaller clubs;
- that Infantino -- despite an obligation to strict neutrality -- secretly met for negotiations with club bosses from Paris and Manchester;
- that he fed internal association info to the clubs and cleared the way for "settlements," although he was not authorized to do so;
- that he thus systematically undermined UEFA's own oversight procedures and bodies.
http://www.spiegel.de/international...saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html
Here's another
https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks-2018/ffp-eastern-europe/
Seems pretty big news if it is true, doubt they'll do anything. If it is true shows UEFA is corrupt to the core as was FIFA what hope has football got.
https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks-2018/ffp-eastern-europe/
Seems pretty big news if it is true, doubt they'll do anything. If it is true shows UEFA is corrupt to the core as was FIFA what hope has football got.
The gentle pressure of money bags, surely.
That's convenient.
Oops my bad. No big deal. Will keep in mind next time.
"All those who objected at first have been bought."
Nothing will happen, but even just a one year CL ban would be nice, just to prove there's a tiny bit of justice to corrupt teams like City and PSG.
A CL league ban and an FFP ban are needed. Everyone could see it was happening.
It was pretty obvious that those deals were inflated.
UEFA in the wrong so that's gonna take some going to happen. FFP was meant to stop clubs going bust, not to prevent investment. The deals wouldn't have had to have any value if not for the rules.
Yes really.
Obviously going to be defensive on these latest articles, and would expect any United fan to do the same.
First point about the articles. There is no reference as to why City and Uefa origianally met for negotiations. If you go back to that time, most football fans without an axe to grind admit that UEFA shifted the goalposts and changed some details to FFP when City had already passed the negotiations.
2 companies met and held negaotiations to broker a deal that would suit both parties. Uefa really didn't want it to end up in court as the outcome could have realistically gone any way.
The only part in the article that worries me, and i hope was brought up during those negotiations is the Aarbar contract with the £12m black hole.
Please also remember why FFP was apparantly brought in. It was to stop owners packing up a club and letting it slide into Administration. It wasn't apparantly made to control who could eat at the top table, but the more this roles on it's quite clear that the latter is now clearly what was being aimed for by other major clubs.
If you want FFP and a system that doesnt protect the wealthy clubs then set a maximum transfer spend each year. £100m as an example would allow most clubs in the PL to compete and we could see more smaller clubs being established within the top 6 while some others would slip into mediocrity.
Would you welcome that at the expense of your own club?
First point about the articles. There is no reference as to why City and Uefa origianally met for negotiations. If you go back to that time, most football fans without an axe to grind admit that UEFA shifted the goalposts and changed some details to FFP when City had already passed the negotiations.
2 companies met and held negaotiations to broker a deal that would suit both parties. Uefa really didn't want it to end up in court as the outcome could have realistically gone any way.
The only part in the article that worries me, and i hope was brought up during those negotiations is the Aarbar contract with the £12m black hole.
Please also remember why FFP was apparantly brought in. It was to stop owners packing up a club and letting it slide into Administration. It wasn't apparantly made to control who could eat at the top table, but the more this roles on it's quite clear that the latter is now clearly what was being aimed for by other major clubs.
If you want FFP and a system that doesnt protect the wealthy clubs then set a maximum transfer spend each year. £100m as an example would allow most clubs in the PL to compete and we could see more smaller clubs being established within the top 6 while some others would slip into mediocrity.
Would you welcome that at the expense of your own club?
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even though firminhio plays for liverpool not city, city are going to have to replace him cos he is getting old?
is your answer still "yes really"
This article, like many before it, doesn't tell us anything we don't already know. Throwing around allegations of corruption within UEFA is one thing, providing proof that any wrong-doing took place is quite another.
I'd like to see something over the last day 3 or 4 years, it didn't seem like there is anything there that wantwa already known
The vague Sarkozy links and the supposed £12m from the Sheikh weren't known to me. But the entire FFP 2014 things is old news, pretty much Uefa shifted goal posts, we argued our figures were correct, they argued theirs, we threatened court and they looked for a settlement is well known.
Have to say if the bribery thing (of which there is zero evidence) is proven I'd be furious. I'll also be none to happy if the Sheikh is paying sponsorship money like the reported Aabar deal (£15m, rumored to be £3m by Aabar and £12m by the Sheikh).
I think the club really need to step up on this, if we are innocent (as I believe we are) we should hope for an independent investigation, get cleared of all wrong doing and then take everyone involved in football leaks, der spiegel etc.. to the cleaners.