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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Tel reporting that cabinet has agreed to the deal. Hard to pick the truth out from the fog of rumours tbh.
Mrs May is speaking now - she's saying there is Cabinet agreement.
(edit - she doesn't sound too thrilled, really).
Not surprised as Im not sure there really is an alternative but to agree it.
So deal agreed. Now we will see if the backbenchers make their move.
Are they publishing the text tonight?
She has to speak to Arlene Foster now. There's also strong rumours that there will be a vote of no confidence in her before the week is out.
Interesting she specifically mentioned it's this deal, no deal or no Brexit at all.
Hasn't seemed to acknowledge that as an option previously.
Hasn't seemed to acknowledge that as an option previously.
Yep, I picked up on that too. She's trying to scare both sides to support her deal with the fear of the other one getting their way if it's voted down.
She has to call DUP bluff and this is the moment - they will support a leadership challenge but whether that gets through tomorrow is anybody's guess. It certainly is very interesting.
Ah, you were ahead of the Guardian live blog.
I guess she knows it's a crappy halfway house that is far worse than what we had, but anything beats no deal.
The HoC will be lively tomorrow.
Surely the DUP have no say in a Tory leadership challenge? If the 1922 committee bring her down, it'll just be because 48 Tory MPs submit letters of no confidence and then the Tories will choose a new leader.
DUP could bring down the government as a whole through a parliamentary vote of no confidence, but I doubt they would want to risk a general election and a possible Corbyn government right now.
They can't vote but they will support it and will put pressure on MP's to vote for it.
Speaking as a (soft) unionist, I hope May just politely ignores the DUP (she seems to be doing so from what is rumoured to be in the deal).
People have been saying it since day one of the vote, N. Ireland didn't vote for Brexit. DUP and their position/issues are not representative of this country. If she caves in, she is simply after power and power alone.
People have been saying it since day one of the vote, N. Ireland didn't vote for Brexit. DUP and their position/issues are not representative of this country. If she caves in, she is simply after power and power alone.
Yes, I'm listening in France!
You're absolutely right, it's worse than we had, we'll have obligations to meet but no say in the rules - but there you go.
Her 'ignoring' them though has the potential power to bring down the government. I imagine she's calling their bluff - they may ultimately want a hard Brexit less than they do a Corbyn government.
I think so too. But then again, she's not dealing with the brightest lamps in the street.
True. From the start their approach has been bonkers - wanting a hard Brexit was likely to give better cause to Irish nationalism, but getting a special deal for them alone was going to cut them off from the UK and again help buoy Irish nationalism. Idiots.
Say what you want about May but she’s obviously a very talented politician. This is the most difficult situation the uk has faced in 70 years...she’s done well to get this far.
Much as she's awful, I would always find it difficult to dislike her more than David Cameron, the chief pig-fcuking architect of all this shite. And as you say, she's pretty resilient to say the least.
Agreed. If she somehow manages to steer a Brexit deal through the commons, it will have been a minor miracle from the position she found herself in after becoming leader. She has made some silly blunders along the way though.
Such a day’s craic.
May is done IMO. I genuinely thought she might break down during that statement. I’d feel bad for her if she wasn’t such an atrocious human being. I think she’ll resign when parliament inevitably reject this deal. Then the games will begin.
Also starting to think Corbyn may have played a blinder here. He’s said a lot without committing to anything and now everyone is pissed with May on all sides.
May is done IMO. I genuinely thought she might break down during that statement. I’d feel bad for her if she wasn’t such an atrocious human being. I think she’ll resign when parliament inevitably reject this deal. Then the games will begin.
Also starting to think Corbyn may have played a blinder here. He’s said a lot without committing to anything and now everyone is pissed with May on all sides.
Advantage Labour
How?
Have you seen Rees-Moggs statement?
Summarise in 3 words please
We're pretty fecked.
Yes...
But all they want is to topple may and put a Eurosceptic in power... Zero chance they go for a general election as they are not obliged to
I see he's gone back to the Brexiteer shite of 'let's send that EU money to the NHS!' with a little bit included to mention funding nurses.
Monopoly man can fcuk off. Lying cnut.
Yeah she is tough, thats for sure.
Can't stand her but she has largely been in a position anyone would've struggled to get anything decent out of.
Not sure i agree with that tbh.
No but the divisions In the party indicate that they are looking weaker.
Also with a eurosceptic in charge I think (and I am by no means an expert) I think we will end up back at square 1. I think in the short term this whole thing is going to lead to mass unemployment. The rather large and successful company I work for have already made 750 redundancies In preparation.
No and google being unusually useless.
Windrush is a massive stain on her.
If we end up going for a soft Brexit as is looking likely and not much changes, I'd be fecking pissed at the government if I was one of those workers, or any of the workers who've lost their jobs due to the uncertainty. A government in power costing you your livelihood while testing the waters concerning an experiment they realised they weren't able to even go for in the end.
Mate, if I even begin to tell you they way they have gone about this as well you would probably weep.