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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Honest John said:
Sir Graham Brady: "Look you lot to force a vote of no confidence I need 48 letters, I only have 47"

Scaled hand appears clutching a letter, vertical eyelids blink, tongue darts out of mouth,

Gove: "Will this do Graham"
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I’m picturing Gove more like Gollum from LOTR treating his letter like the ring “my preciousssss..”
 
Stating the obvious but this will prove to be a royal feckup which will have consequences for generations to come. Unfortunately.
 
diarm said:
If Mogg or Boris become PM I reckon the rest of us pay for a wall to be built around Britain and just leave ye to your own devices for a couple of decades. A Britain under either of their leadership has nothing good to offer the world.
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I hear that BX Brussels are looking for new fans.
 
Adisa said:
Where is David Cameron?
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At the farm?
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wasnt it said he fancied a return to front line politics... probably wouldnt happen though
 
Frosty said:
Yes, there is no religious restriction to the PM, only the Monarch.
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Ooh in that case, i could probably be PM too. If I was to campaign i'd take the Trump model. Appeal to the racists, promise the world, attack the media and blame away all attacks on me as fake news, lie thoroughly and repeatedly, all whilst wearing a waistcoat (look how well it did Southgate).

In fact i'd appeal to everyone, i'd say whatever people wanted to hear depending on the audience i was in. If you ask me if i'd bomb Iran, i'd say Yes and twice on a Friday. I'd also say "as long as i can tie you to the bomb". The racists are happy i'll slaughter millions of muslims, the rest of us will realise it's only a joke in poor taste.
 
Frosty said:
Yes but the 1829 Act would be unlawful today by virtue of the Human Rights Act. Most likely it wouldn't be enforced, rather than a case be brought and challenged. The 1998 Act could be seen as impliedly repealing the 1829 Act.
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You maybe right but it is still a case that has yet to be tested. I know that Blair wouldn't test the waters he openly admitted that he would have converted years previously if he didn't want to become PM.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
You often speak about people that admire Corbyn in a deflammitory manner. It's pretty sad really. I think that throughout all the years I've followed politics it has seemed to be that we have waited for a politician to be honest and open and clearly hold the wants of their constituents above his or her own agendas.

It's funny because Corbyn could have already elevated himself to be very close to Downing street had he chosen to lie but even when severely pressed by journalists he would always tell the truth and then he gets lambasted for it.

Each up their own like, that's democracy for you, but the snide comments just make the commenter look sad to be honest.
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This is clearly a critical and thoughtful appraisal of the leader of the opposition.
 
Frosty said:
I'd make a couple of points.

First, it is duplicitous (but not undemocratic) for members of the Cabinet like Raab to have approved the deal and then resigned over it.

Second, it isn't undemocratic for MPs to vote against the deal, or any government policy. Even if a three-line whip is established, MPs can vote against the deal, with the risk being that teh whip is withdrawn from them and they have to sit as independents. However, many may risk this if they feel May's authority is ebbing away. So, in short, it isn't undemocratic.
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It was tongue in cheek about the way people have been saying that anything but hard Brexit would be undemocratic because the public voted marginally in an advisory referendum to leave the EU.
 
Frosty said:
Actually just on this we have had many Catholic Government Ministers over the past 40 or so years who would have advised the monarch.

And we have had Catholics who were Privy Councillors and the Privy Council does advise the monarch in relation to Orders in Council, so I think the 1829 is ignored in practice.
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We still haven't had a catholic PM though and people with more knowledge than me about the matter have refused to push the question by converting whilst being PM or applying for the post whilst already being catholic.
 
Fully Fledged said:
We still haven't had a catholic PM though and people with more knowledge than me about the matter have refused to push the question by converting whilst being PM or applying for the post whilst already being catholic.
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Blair's worry was that he'd be seen as devoutly religious rather than Catholic I think. It's not the kind of profile that the British electorate warm to. I remember him getting upset with a BBC journalist who was needling him about it and was asking him if he prayed with George Bush.
 
sun_tzu said:
yes and no - if she is defeted in the party confidence vote that is corrent...

if however she is defeted in the commons she then has i believe 14 days to win a commons majority or resign - if she resigns again it does not trigger a GE but allows the conservatives to elect a leader who can command a commons majority (which if just appointed by the party and hardline enough for the DUP that shouldnt be a problem)... hence some of the ERG want to take her down in the vote in the commons - I think the vote before is basically to drag it out and make it clear to her she cant win the commons vote so she would be better off leaving on her own terms with as much pride as she can muster
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It could be. It would only take a few Tory remainers to abstain and they wouldn't have a majority.
 
sun_tzu said:
surely thats irelavant though... by the time they vote it down there wont be time to run a new peoples vote before we leave on no deal terms
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Either the EU wants to work with us or they don't, if they want us to stay then what's the worth in forcing us to leave with no deal?

All this talk of how UK will get concessions, how much the EU need us. Is that leave date is set in stone with no room to maneuver?
 
I know so little about Brexit.. But how likely is it really for a second referendum at this stage? A vote of no confidence gets more and more likely so they will either bring on a leader who will discuss new terms or put it to the people again, is that about right?

I feel like I might have missed 50 steps on the way.
 
VP89 said:
I know so little about Brexit.. But how likely is it really for a second referendum at this stage? A vote of no confidence gets more and more likely so they will either bring on a leader who will discuss new terms or put it to the people again, is that about right?

I feel like I might have missed 50 steps on the way.
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Still far from likely at this stage. Not even clear she would lose a confidence vote. I think she'd win.
 
Sweet Square said:
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I don't think all the people critical of Labour were saying ignore the vote. Personally think he should have been more vocal about the need for a much softer brexit. Meanwhile the entire debate has been hijacked by Tory politics.
 
Zlatattack said:
Ooh in that case, i could probably be PM too. If I was to campaign i'd take the Trump model. Appeal to the racists, promise the world, attack the media and blame away all attacks on me as fake news, lie thoroughly and repeatedly, all whilst wearing a waistcoat (look how well it did Southgate).

In fact i'd appeal to everyone, i'd say whatever people wanted to hear depending on the audience i was in. If you ask me if i'd bomb Iran, i'd say Yes and twice on a Friday. I'd also say "as long as i can tie you to the bomb". The racists are happy i'll slaughter millions of muslims, the rest of us will realise it's only a joke in poor taste.
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Johnson will go that route if he gets a sniff. He's been in close contact with Bannon
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I hear that BX Brussels are looking for new fans.
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There will be a difficult choice to be made alright:

a) Build a wall but no longer being able to follow a Saudi owned United.
b) Leave ourselves exposed to a military controlled by Boris Johnson or Jacob Rees-Mogg.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Blair's worry was that he'd be seen as devoutly religious rather than Catholic I think. It's not the kind of profile that the British electorate warm to. I remember him getting upset with a BBC journalist who was needling him about it and was asking him if he prayed with George Bush.
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Blair 'prayed' while Dubya, eyes flickering, remained standing.
 
Adisa said:
I don't think all the people critical of Labour were saying ignore the vote. Personally think he should have been more vocal about the need for a much softer brexit.
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But loudest voices were. We had those eu protests marches and people like Alastair Campbell talking about how awful lying is in politics. Recent polling showed labour have barely been effected by Brexit in terms of it's voting base. Whatever the problems are with Labour position it is at the moment the correct one.

Adisa said:
Meanwhile the entire debate has been hijacked by Tory politics.
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Good yet the vermin tear themselves a part.

Pogue Mahone said:
You think? I get the impression there’s a shit load of Labour MP’s and voters who very much want to stay in the EU. Despite Jezza’s stance.
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There's a rubbish little liberal party that they are free to join or vote for if they really want to stay in.
 
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