Can you imagine the stick we’d get in the media. It would be constant and I’m not sure Souness could hide his hate for much longer.
The Saudi Takeover Rumor Thread
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You really believe that? Ronaldo replaced with Owen & Valencia was the start of the clubs problems.
You don’t even know me so please don’t assume you know what I will and will not do. I can guarantee 100% I would give up supporting United all together.
No way would I want to support anything that has any kind of involvements with Saudi Arabia.
At the end of the day football is only entertainment and I can easily find entertainment elsewhere that has nothing to do with corruption and blood money.
Nah we'd just pay the media off like City have. Think in that respect we'd be fine.
Who said you couldn't? I'm referring to those that say they don't care who owns the club as long as it's winning trophies.
For the record i've never said i would stop supporting United.
That post is being interpreted in a way that i didn't mean it to be. I'm not saying i would stop supporting United, i'm not advocating others should either. I would also be against a Saudi takeover.
What i was referring to is people who don't seem to care at all who owns the club as long as it gets back to winning. And those spouting the moral whataboutery bullshit to justify themselves not giving a feck.
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They have a system based on Sharia law. They have the death penalty and behead people, and sometimes crucify the beheaded body to make an example. Yeah it's lovely there.Well the Crown Prince started to let women drive...moving in the right direction!
and a new manager even before that!
It really wouldn't, as these are possibly the most natural allies around. Might actually make the derby more docile!
What don't I really believe? I agree that we under-invested after the splurge in 2007 (Hargeaves, Nani etc) until Fergy left but we've invested plenty since then. nearly £600m net since Fergy left is not unreasonable
We do not want to be associated with those guys in any shape or form.
It's already been mentioned in the other takeover thread but we already have an association and partnership with the Saud's
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/manchester-united-agree-strategic-partnership-in-saudi-arabia
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/manchester-united-agree-strategic-partnership-in-saudi-arabia
Because??
Don't confuse Muslim ideology with commercial investment strategy.
It's fine though cos the glazers are just as brutal in their spare time. Plus you probably drive a car, use your phone to take mocking pictures of the kids in sweatshops that make your clothes and come from a western country and are therefore scum cos your government bombs people.
Some of th e mental gymnastics in here are incredible.
Call me ridiculous, but that would be the end of it to me. Maybe I haven't been born and raised in Manchester, maybe I haven't had a chance to remember this team before Sir Alex, maybe it doesn't matter at all, but quite a few things already pointed out in this thread (mostly related to horrible, arguably the worst in the world, human rights records in Saudi Arabia) would make it impossible for me to look at Manchester United I have looked since I was 7 years old, and the way I look now. Would be a very sad day.
Hi ridiculous, I'm pascell.
Having ties and being totally owned are completely different matters.
I'd consider not being a fan, but I'm not sure how strong my own willpower is, so I certainly wouldn't suggest doing as I do.
I think the most important thing to to acknowledge the facts and not diminish them or excuse any such regime.
I'm reasonably confident that a vocal section of our fans would find an appropriate form of protest.
The most important thing would be not to dress as a Saudi Prince and put up a sign in your stadium thanking them for their riches.
(of course, nothing is actually happening yet)
I'm a bit old school (if that has anything to do with it) so if we were owned by some sheik or whatever, I would have a problem with that. However if we beat the shit out of city, won the PL and CL in the same season, with a bit of effort, I could maybe adapt.
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Don’t confuse Muslim ideology with Saudi Arabia.
People here aren’t concerned about a Muslim takeover, we are worried about a Saudi ruling family takeover.
I suppose there were pages and pages of agonizing debate in Blue Moon when the name Mansour was first touted?
It is actually. A lot of people from the UK go there to work and even to go on holiday (shock horror)!
As long as you don't steal, rape or do anything indecent, you'll love it.
Of course, if you are criminal, then I do agree, it's not a good place to practise your trade.
People are also unhappy with the existing family owning our club; probably far more of them I would say.
We could probably do with some of those deterrents here TBH.
We would get a ton but that would be hypocritical when we saw how much the media fawn over City and give their owners a free pass for the most part.
If you go about closing yourself off from everything that has ties to something you don’t like, you’re not going to have much of a life left.
Wouldn’t surprise me at all if the Glazers or Magnier and Mangus or the Edwards had some investments tied into the Middle East anyway.
I pretty much think that about getting worked up about ownership.
Big clubs owned by really wealthy people, which typically means the ownership is already invested in those things and places people are against anyway. It seems a moot point to me.
The two situations are not even remotely comparable.
On the one hand, we have a group of businessman out to make a buck, on the other hand, we have a tyrannical dictatorship that capture, torture, behead and finally crucify young dissidents for daring to promote pro-democratic ideals, in plain view of the public and without shame I might add. I suggest people watch the news a little more or do some research on the internet - believe it or not, there is more to the internet than porn and cat memes.
How anyone could even consider backing a Saudi Arabian takeover of our club is beyond comprehension.
It would be but it’s United.
Totally agree with your post. Majority of PLC’s carry some debt as long as it’s manageable and many private companies too. Why risk your own money? When interest rates go up, it will be cleared but Man City FC will still have an i.o.u in the safe for £1bn addressed to Sheik Mansour. Again, spot on with the money being spent on the wrong players and ,of course, Managers. Whoever owns MUFC will own a money making machine and it’s as sound and investment as you can make these days.
Years ago, when Louis Edwards (Martin’s Dad) owned the club, the Bitters were banging on about him supplying dodgy meat to schools and profitting from it. He was in Wholesale and meat packaging and had most of the contracts for schools, hospitals etc. So whoever owns United will be controversial. As for the Saudi’s, it would clearly just be a vehicle to try and rub the Emirates noses in the crap. I’m sure if you delve deep enough into the owners of the top clubs in Europe, there will be some skeletons in the closet.
But you do want to be associated with americans who have the most miltary bases around the world... oh and a little detail... who have contributed largely to the destabilization of the middle- east (and hence the rise of extremism)..
I don't think anyone wants US govt/army to be our ownersBut you do want to be associated with americans who have the most miltary bases around the world... oh and a little detail... who have contributed largely to the destabilization of the middle- east (and hence the rise of extremism)..
Surely if the Saudi's are really interested, they would just buy up the 10% of the club on the market already?
Stop insulting rich men
If this happens I can't in good faith spend any money towards the club, this is one of the few red lines for me unfortunately.
Personally, the owners will never influence the club I choose to support. Owners are transitory. The Glazers own the legal entity that is Manchester United and they can sell that to whowever they wish, but they do not own the soul of the club.
Fair enough, i thought you meant saudi as a whole when you stated ‘associated with them’, not the goverment as an isolation.
The Saudis are the worst possible owners we could ever have and if they buy my club then I want nothing more to do with United.
The argument about the Glazers being American and “look at all the bad stuff America does” are really ignorant of the facts. The Glazers are American but they are not America. They are not responsible for the acts of their government. I blame them for the terrible state that our club currently finds itself but I still support the club as I have done for 40 years now.
The Saudis are on a different scale of badness and once we sell to them I am out. United will no longer have any meaning for me.
The argument about the Glazers being American and “look at all the bad stuff America does” are really ignorant of the facts. The Glazers are American but they are not America. They are not responsible for the acts of their government. I blame them for the terrible state that our club currently finds itself but I still support the club as I have done for 40 years now.
The Saudis are on a different scale of badness and once we sell to them I am out. United will no longer have any meaning for me.
But you do want to be associated with americans who have the most miltary bases around the world... oh and a little detail... who have contributed largely to the destabilization of the middle- east (and hence the rise of extremism)..
What a ridiculously ignorant thing to say.
Are all American citizens to be held accountable for the alleged 'war crimes' of their government, or have you been brainwashed by IS propaganda?
I feel the exact same.
If you actually cared to read my second comment, i explained that i mis understood a comment which had the sentence ‘dont want to be associated with them’. I took the ‘them’ as saudi as a whole hence the american example. Nothing to see here. All is fine
I didn't say anything. Anyways, the point is that people have a problem with Saudi royal family taking over.
Personally, I wouldn't be too sad about it. The oil money is here to stay. None of FIFA, UEFA, FA are interested in anymore than lip service.
But you do want to be associated with americans who have the most miltary bases around the world... oh and a little detail... who have contributed largely to the destabilization of the middle- east (and hence the rise of extremism)..
Using that logic, should Chelsea fans feel tainted because the Russians poisoned those people in Wiltshire? Leicester fans should boycott their club because of human rights violations in Thailand. Everton fans should give because their owner is Iranian and they sponsor terrorism all over the World. Can you suggest anyone that’s perfect?
Ref Man City owners. They are cheating by avoiding FFP and alledgely some players and former Managers avoiding income tax by not declaring the true figures financial or indeed attendances as it turns out.
The Glazers are far from 'trailer-park' - they're ruthless, self-serving corporate vampires.
And what of the poor people that are accused of things they didn't fecking do...?
Or people who simply want to voice a peaceful protest...?
I'd welcome any takeover from the Glazers, but I would always maintain the Saudi regime is anachronistic, cruel and needs modernizing.
If they bought United - I'd hope for success for the club, and that the publicity of owning United would increase pressure on them to sort out the more extreme corners of their regime.
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