Call me what you like, but my view is if your not from Manchester or have no ties at all and say you wont support the club if the Saudis takeover is a bit stupid. Really you only support Utd because they are successful anyway. Would you be following Utd if they never won anything and were in division 2? doubt it.
The Saudi Takeover Rumor Thread
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Serious question from someone who has no knowledge of Utd's finances.
Could we genuinely spend the same as City on transfers and wages if we wanted to?
Not interested in any financial / accounting details, just a simple Yes or No answer will do.
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Yes I agree. It’s not a place where I’d want to live. However, for better or worse, different cultures, religions, laws etc is what makes the world so different and unique. But we only see that bad publicity, never the good. I’m quite positive Saudi rule also do some good by their people?!
I'm not sure why people are turning this into political discussions. They can do as much shite as they want in their country. I'm only looking to the football side of the club. Glazers aren't really from a country full of saints who had never killed people before or used nuclear bombs.
Really feel like some have a very Utopian way to look at football. As long as they're not beheading the players, why should I care about their politics in their country ?
Really feel like some have a very Utopian way to look at football. As long as they're not beheading the players, why should I care about their politics in their country ?
Shouldn't you be comparing your owners' human rights crimes against those of the Glazers...?
*hint* that's who actually owns Man Utd.
I think the only answer would be direct action - protests outside games, articles in the media, boycotts by season ticket holders etc. But I doubt that would have much effect sadly. Let's hope someone else comes in before the Saudis!
Damn fuxking right! If I could behead the likes of peado’s in front of people, I’d do it. Or is that too extreme for you? Should we slap these guys on the wrist and let them carry on when they serve their pittance of a sentence?!
This is a joke, right?
No that's reality.
Politics are full of shite and if we want to talk about each regime in each country you'll find disasters and scandals for everyone. Saudis or USA are no different. They're all criminals. It's better to focus on the football side only in such cases because otherwise, you'll be in for a problem.
Saudi Arabia and UAE are close allies. Couldn't be closer really. It's Qatar they hate.
Spot on.
Glazers are from a country that has done shady shit.
The Saudi family do shady shit.
If you can't see the difference you're too far gone.
You have made your point very well.
It was most certainly not my intention to advocate such a takeover. More to highlight concerns with the current owners.
I actually do have experience of working with Saudi Arabia.
The Saudi royal family have begun to modernise and have made some changes but your points are valid and they are an ally of the West. Many manufacturing jobs in the North West of England rely on defence sales to Saudi Arabia.
They're new money though. Established clubs knows what it feels like to win on their own so success on a lesser moral scale would feel cheaper.
All my opinion of course.
so glad all this crap is fake news, id rather stick with the Glazers than this mob of shite
Exactly. I mean, some of those people have said or written something that the royals didn't like. Who can fault them?
The American government doesn't own us though. That's the difference.
It’s a fairly basic distinction, whatever you think of the relative merits of USA vs KSA: the Glazers are US citizens who exercise no real control over US policy while the prospective Saudi owners are part of the ruling clique.
Even if Trump himself decided to own us I won't care much unless he's unwilling to make the club better.
I can understand the point many here are making and I hate the Saudis regime with passion, I actually even hate my own country regime, but I have learned that if you're going the politics way, you won't find any pure individual there. All of them are criminals in one way or another. I learned to look at these things from football perspective only. I won't like to have the purest individual leading the club if he's going to make the club terrible.
Yes. Yes it is. I don't think you'd find many people that would disagree we have some woefully short sentences for many crimes in this country, and many offences like this should be punished with true life sentences. I think that would have almost unanimous support from the British public. Most would stop short of public executions though! We've moved on from that a long time ago.
Don’t want this to happen, but it’s not as simple as that. The game is approaching a dilemma where either everyone has a billionaire owner or nobody does. But some teams having unlimited money and others not means the likes of City and PSG winning is a mere inevitability, and someone else winning a title here and there to upset the status quo would be a mere occasional blip.
Its Bill Gates interested in buying us? Its the only one I think that does not have any baggage.
Ok, maybe I took it too far but what I’m trying to say in the greater scheme if things is that, we can’t keep commenting on another country’s political policies. We all know the Galzers are big sponsors of the current US regime and they aren’t exactly great. But again I’m just trying to highlight, Saudi can’t all be bad. Of course the current Prince knows change has to be made but these changes take alot longer than one or two years.
We are spending money, is that spending enough to compete at the top? It’s not. Mourinho was denied defenders just couple of months ago.
And why are these incompetent figures running the football club? Because they bring enough money for the Glazers so they don’t actually give a feck.
Well good on you, but anybody else wanting the best for the future of the club doesn’t mean it’s about bragging rights or shiny new toys. United is a daily routine for so many of us one way or another.
I have enough morals to not be a hypocrite, that’s enough for me on this discussion. That “I don’t set my government’s agenda” is the easiest route for some of you, no you don’t set it directly but surely you can do more than what have you been doing up till now. Cause your government’s agenda is pretty same for years. Sell weapons to the regime, collaborate with them. Bomb half the fecking globe and pretend it’s all in the name of democracy. And no, these haven’t happened decades ago, they are happening as we type. Or maybe you have slept through the Iraq war/ Afghanistan/Libya/Syria and should I carry on?
Fair fecks to the exceptions, but so many inhuman acts are happening all over and most of us go about our everyday life without bother. I was horrified at the beginning but now I come to terms with it, since there’s nothing I can really do to change it.
I don’t want to be rude but it should not be hard to see the difference between being owned by citizens of a country which you don’t like and being owned by the rulers of a country you don’t like. The Glazers do not influence US foreign policy. The Saudi buyers are part of the family that runs Saudi foreign (and domestic) policy.
Personally I think the answer is yes, especially for an individual player that is justifiably worth breaking records for.
The difference with City/PSG is they can fill their teams with these super expensive players if they wanted. But you don't need record-breaking transfers for every position. It just helps them recover from mistakes (wasted money).
In terms of wages, I'm pretty sure Alexis Sanchez is rumoured to be the highest paid player in the league with us.
So are all these people being beheaded all peadophiles? Or have some of them done lesser crimes like say, criticize the regime in an american newspaper?
Yes don't know where you are from but Europe for the most part has moved on from that sort of barbarity. Yes some people should get harsher punishments but public executions are not the answer for a modern society.
Having been stupid enough to spend 6 months there, the people being beheaded or having their hands chopped off are either (non-white) foreigners or, much more rarely, lower class Saudis. So it’s not even Old Testament justice, if you think that’s appropriate in 2018. The replies in this thread are a real eye opener (in a bad way).
Indeed mate. As for Saudi Arabia i'll take your word on it, it's not high on my list of places i would like to visit one day.
No but it's partially why I hate City so much. I wouldn't stop supporting United if Saudis took over but I certainly would miss the days the biggest issue our owners had was taking money out of the club
Yes, and most in football outside of United and City would rightly say we have spent enough to compete. Mourinho has spent £360m in just over 2 years. He's bought three defenders. The blame that we are not doing well and that he still feels he needs to spend big money on this area largely lies at his feet.
In case you couldn't tell, I don't think this would be the best for the club. We need change, sure. But we do not need this.
And yet you go on!..
...To talk compete bollocks again! Try reading your older posts where you tell me about stuff Britain did 70 years ago, etc.
And then you tell me I should do more (what exactly?) to change my government's policies, while saying "there's nothing I (you) can really do to change it". And that was after previously saying you don't give a feck.
People in this country marched en masse against the Iraq war. People do stuff like this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...arabia-fighter-jet-bae-uk-yemen-a7555246.html ... And the government do whatever the feck they want, regardless of the obvious consequences.
Next time you try arguing your case with me, try to work out why you have repeatedly contradicted yourself and failed to grasp any of the basic points I've been making first.
I’m from England. Born and bread.
And I, along with many from an older generation, would say that modern society is nothing to be proud about as you seem to be!
One of the worst things about these threads is it shines a light on how a lot of people actually feel about the world and you see a bit deeper into how people think, and for the most part it's bloody depressing how ignorant people are.
Indeed.
I said things Britain is doing in the last 70 years, things still happening under “your watch” moral guardian.
Last time I checked my country didn’t bomb nobody nor has any influence in world politics, neither is selling weapons to anyone. You are a citizen of a country that is meddling just about everywhere, as such its citizens have a say in the way their government conducts itself.
That’s funny, you know why they don’t fear consequences? Because not enough brits care about whether their own army goes around and invades another sovereign country. If you cared that much and you are appalled by the acts of your democratically elected governments, try and move countries maybe? It’s not that hard isn’t it.
How have I contradicted myself? When I could have affected changes in my society I went out on the streets as many of our students here in Skopje. What happens on the world stage is dictated by countries like your own.
Yes mate. It really is as simple as me convincing the other 60m people in this country to stop being such uninformed, lazy bastards. I'm sure that will go well, and should be done by the end of the week.
I'm sick of going round in circles with you now. Your posts are no less simplistic and naïve than they were last month, so I'm going to do the simple thing and put you on ignore. Hopefully you'll get a clue or two in the meantime.
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Hovis or Kingsmill?
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