This Caf poll is more fecking complicated than the Brexit process
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Yep, certainly can for me. Also, NHS was actually one of the very few public services to (theoretically, based on last budget) receive a cash injection from this government. So it's not really the best example to be picking in the argument against Tory cuts, there's a lot of better ones. I'm not sure if Labour could guarantee more money for the NHS than the Tories just did.
To be honest I don't think it will take much engineering... Markets hate instability and there will almost certainly be a big sell off of £ and UK stocks
It's logical as their security will be downstairs by the credits agencies anyway and then funds who guarantee only certain levels of risk have to sell... But yeah no deal and that 2% drop in a couple of hours last week will look like nothing...
Owen Jones is a fecking idiot though so in fairness nobody with half a brain will listen to his drivel
Owen Jones is cringeworthy. Head firmly lodged up Corbyn's arse.
I think you're confusing a downturn with a crash. Trump put trade tariffs on everything and the financial system didn't blink. I don't think creating uncertainty which causes a sell-off of the Pound that reduces its value by another 1%-5%, can cause a crash.
Ian Bremmer spoke along these lines yesterday. "Solve a problem by making it bigger". The sad part is I can see it working by design or coincidence. What did we do to deserve these people?
This is the worst bit in the interview. Another politician who doesn’t understand the fecking basics of the process the UK is already balls deep in. And not just any politician. The leader of the opposition. Fintan O’Toole was spot on with his accusations of “pig ignorance”. It’s appalling how badly the Uk electorate are being let down by the people who are supposed to be in charge here. Shameful incompetence all round.
You most certainly can. I wouldn't call it engineering but rather, doing nothing to maintain stability makes a crash inevitable.
The markets will crash if there is no deal. That is an inevitability.
There seems to be an idea of some cunning plan. I think he is completely incompetent. The only thing I can say good about May is that she has withstood tremendous pressure , Corbyn would have wilted.
Even Fox, Davis et co. realise they're never going to have the cherries.
Never mind his policies, as a leader I find him pathetic.
The Tories have been lying through their teeth about NHS funding for years. From the Kings Fund..
This is born out by just about every politician and his dog writing the deal off before actually reading it. All that says to me is that they are putting themselves before country. Taking everything into consideration what is on the table is as close to the limit of what would be available as it gets. May appears to be the only person that understands that.
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So bankrupting the country is fine as long as the NHS is ok
He's no more likely to bankrupt the country than the Tories. But if we're talking about recessions, yes I'd rather see Britain go through another recession with the NHS surviving, than not go through one and lose it, if that was the choice. People can survive some financial hardship, but moving the UK to a private heathcare model will literally kill many thousands every year.
Liam Fox says it is the easiest poll in human history.
I hink the chances of May's deal going through are higher than a second referendum.
I agree, much more likely IMHO.
I like Mason and wish what he was saying was true. His entire analysis is based on the premise that the idea we can pull away from Europe completely is a fantasy and people have realised this. But it's not true. The Tory base and a huge chunk of their MPs are still under that illusion.
I think this is where Labour are. They want a Norway arrangement. Too early to come right out and say that now. Better wait until the reality of crashing out hits. A Norway offer in a GE would pick them up a good few SNP seats. Some Libdem votes and a lot of 'Remain' constituencies.
I thought it was worth posting but yeah I agree with you.
The funny thing is that's exactly May's plan as well. Wait until the reality of No deal hits then they will vote for my deal. She has the added advantage of being in government.
I can see a scenario where parliament votes on May's deal more than once.
It makes sense in a strange way that this is why every Labour MP struggles to find words to describe what their Brexit plan is. They want to say Norway but they can't right now.
The Tories have been lying through their teeth about NHS funding for years. From the Kings Fund..
They haven't though. They were vocal about cuts in public service (including NHS) from the moment they took power, in order to bring the deficit under control. Only now they have announced increased funds for the NHS budget, which will only hit the NHS coffers after 2020. The period is for 2020-2024, from what I read of the budget. Hence I inserted the caveat "theoretically, based on last budget".
I mean don't get me wrong I think NHS should have been the very last service to get hit by cuts after the 2008 crash and all, but the suggestion that Tories lied about it doesn't line up with what I understood they were saying back in 2009. They said they will not sell it off, not protect it from cuts.
If the ERG crew don't get their letters in soon, their credibility would be gone forever.
Clear MPs have been lying to Mogg and Baker about putting in letters.
No honour among thieves.
Clear MPs have been lying to Mogg and Baker about putting in letters.
No honour among thieves.
Anyone seen Boris Johnsons '6 point plan to earn a better Brexit' ?
From The Daily Mail...
2 & 6 are my personal favourites. feckin clown.
From The Daily Mail...
2 & 6 are my personal favourites. feckin clown.
I think we're playing loose with the definition of crash here.
You think there'll be another crash 2008 style? Or Black Wednesday style? I don't think so, personally.
Why should it be hard for them to say Norway? This is my problem with Labour. Before the referendum, Farage, Boris and Gove were championing the Norway model. All of a sudden, it's taboo.
Corbyn and co should have been on the airwaves as soon as the referendum finished, championing the Norway model. It would have given them serious credibility in the brexit voice right about now, since that would have been the only credible plan that can pass parliament.
A party I support should not be in the "end FoM at all cost" group.
Immigration has poisoned politics in this country.
Yep. They are in danger of turning into a busted flush. And, I think that May has mapped all this out. She is a better politician than I thought. If she gets this through the UK will be out of the EU next March. They will never be able to hold the whip hand over a Tory government again because there will be no EU legislation to consider. Be careful for what you wish for I say.If the ERG crew don't get their letters in soon, their credibility would be gone forever.
Clear MPs have been lying to Mogg and Baker about putting in letters.
No honour among thieves.
Crash has degrees of severity. It doesn't have to be 2008 level. Without doubt, there would be some sort of creash if we don't have a deal by March 29. The £, house prices, markets etc.
I hate May as much as the next guy but it would be an incredible piece of political manoeuvring if she gets this deal through. Would definitely come at serious economic cost though.
They've been coming out publicly saying that they're investing record amounts into the NHS and they've been claiming it for years. It's one of those things that are technically true if you take the figure, ignore inflation, ignore demands on its service and so on. In other words its a fecking lie, and they know it.
Anyone seen Boris Johnsons '6 point plan to earn a better Brexit' ?
From The Daily Mail...
2 & 6 are my personal favourites. feckin clown.
6 is the equivalent of demanding a failing football team “show some passion”.
Perhaps, although I very much doubt either will happen.
Unlike the rest of them, she actually gets her head down, works hard and studies the problem. The job from the get-go was a poisoned chalice and no solution was ever going to be ideal.
Personally I think that she probably got more than several calls from Barnier et al with words to the effect that there was no way on Gods earth that they were going to do any kind of meaningful business with David Davis, or Boris Johnson. She was also personally petitioned by very powerful business leaders. For the good of the country she (and the civil servants) stepped in. What we have on the table is the result of that.
So why did we just have 2 and a bit years of complete blithering and incompetence?
Because Davis was in charge for the most part. I think the EU just plain decided they were not going to deal with him. How many times, following a meeting, did Davis say that progress was being made only for Barnier to come out and say the complete opposite. Citizens Rights and the settlement money were easy. The main problem was NI. May and the civil servants got seriously involved after Chequers. Davis saw the writing on the wall and bailed. As did Johnson. Since then things have moved faster.
I wish I had your optimism of a second referendum. There's so much appetite for one but I just see it.
Rare honesty among DM readers.
Rare honesty among DM readers.
Non-English keyboard? Copy and paste?