That would be Davis who was appointed by May and under her leadership the whole time, correct?
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That would be Davis who was appointed by May and under her leadership the whole time, correct?
Yes and I think she came to realise that she'd got it wrong. If you recall, when he and Johnson resigned she barely batted an eyelid.
If only Oscie were still here
Don't think we need Oscie.
I'm convinced Brexit is now a side issue.
There's a secret competition going on between politicians to become the most incompetent in the history of the UK and Corbyn's just edged into the lead.
Indeed, but generally so long as public finances are not affected it's a crisis that leaves very little impact to the average Joe. Like the dot com bubble. So long as UK gilt yields remain stable and salaries keep growing at above inflation pace, I'm not that worried. A crash in the pound will cause inflation in the medium term, but that's about it.
In Scotland it's called "Meet Brian" because we keep forgetting that our knives have Stanley written on them. We then stab the person holding the box we want and run off with it. It was cancelled last year but you can see reruns of it every Friday night outside my local.
Yep, like a crash test dummy, that is what it was fecking designed for.
To be honest, I don't think many people (politicians first and foremost) have been frank about immigration or even entertained a discussion on it.
We probably wouldn't have been in this situation, meaning Brexit, had that happened.
For me it's a dead heat between Corbyn, May, Raab, Johnson, Davis etc...
Until an informed, elected official of this country has the guts to stand up and do what is in the best interests of the electorate as a whole as opposed to playing the percentages on their chances of getting re-elected this circus will go on and on!
I kind of disagree with May being in that list. She's at least takes the time to properly understand the issues and I do think that she genuinely has the country's interest at heart whereas the others most definitely do not.
So how is the arranging of the deck chairs on the titanic going then?
Anyone clambering for the leadership despite having just quit and passing the buck? This is just highlighting the power crazed minds of these self interested career politicians. Obsession for power despite the consequences and the humiliation of being exposed as nothing more than incompetent reality TV contestants who could not be trusted to make a tuna sandwich let alone negotiate the complexities of Brexit.
Anyone clambering for the leadership despite having just quit and passing the buck? This is just highlighting the power crazed minds of these self interested career politicians. Obsession for power despite the consequences and the humiliation of being exposed as nothing more than incompetent reality TV contestants who could not be trusted to make a tuna sandwich let alone negotiate the complexities of Brexit.
When was the last time you saw UK salaries keep pace with inflation? The only time real wage growth has been lower than it is at present excluding the slumps immediately after the two world wars was the mid 19th century.
and that's before we even get onto the 10s or even 100s of thousands who will be out of work as companies scale down their UK operations.
How will the continuing slump in the pound not compound things when the vast majority of items we consume on a daily basis are imported?
How do you figure a slump in housing prices and the ensuing negative equity will not affect the average Joe? How about the devaluation of pension funds and investments dooming people to having to work 10-15 years longer than they should, if they can find the work?
The Rees Moggs, Johnsons and Goves who have hedged their investments against a UK economic crisis will be fine but UK industry and the average Joe will be well and truly fecked.
She voted to remain in 2016 – it's what she believed was best for Britain then and I'm sure, if she didn't want to give up her shot at a place in history, she'd still admit it is now too. It remains to be seen how that place in history will be written – but I'm willing to bet "one of the weakest leaders a once strong nation has, and will ever, see" will be in the obituary.
Cryllic keyboard. The Russian troll farms still stoking those fires.
Yeah, but I think you're clutching a bit. It's misdirection of the kind politicians of all sides engage in all the time. When the Tories came into power they were pretty vocal about reducing deficit through austerity, this cannot be argued. And their attitude towards NHS has been in line with those views. Are you genuinely telling me people who voted Tory in 3 elections, were misdirected about the Tory implementation of austerity?
She was never a staunch remainer though. She hated the ECHR and wanted out of that.
I don't think she called a snap election because she had the UKs best interest at heart.
When was the last time you saw UK salaries keep pace with inflation? The only time real wage growth has been lower than it is at present excluding the slumps immediately after the two world wars was the mid 19th century.
and that's before we even get onto the 10s or even 100s of thousands who will be out of work as companies scale down their UK operations.
How will the continuing slump in the pound not compound things when the vast majority of items we consume on a daily basis are imported?
How do you figure a slump in housing prices and the ensuing negative equity will not affect the average Joe? How about the devaluation of pension funds and investments dooming people to having to work 10-15 years longer than they should, if they can find the work?
The Rees Moggs, Johnsons and Goves who have hedged their investments against a UK economic crisis will be fine but UK industry and the average Joe will be well and truly fecked.
It's fine .
We are all in this together. Apart from all the people who pushed through Brexit so they could get even richer at the expense of all those feckwits backing them. But yeah aside from that...
And you can add a lot more to that list
What's that got to do with the EU? She wants to be like Belarus?
Human rights and foreigners not exactly some of her favourite things.
Lets just wait to see who her successors are. May's done a great job rehabilitating Gordon Brown's reputation, who knows what chump we'll end up with in the future that makes us pine for the days of Theresa May.
Yep, the politicians I respect list only has Andy Slaughter, my local MP, on it and maybe Ken Clarke.
She called it because she knew that there would be troubled times ahead and needed more of a mandate. Being 20 points ahead in the polls, it was not a bad idea on paper.
I would argue that it was more pragmatism than self-interest. She was clearly urged to do it by civil servants and others.
The campaign she ran though was a total disaster.
I would however, mitigate some of that being down to the near total absence of some Tory big-hitters. Corbyn had a field day. 20 points behind he could promise the earth in the virtually sure knowledge he would ever have to deliver on any of it.
She should have dispatched Hammond and Co much earlier to kick fecking big holes in Labour's policies.
I can believe she believes she has a mission to deliver 'the will of the people', but her stubbornness in not even considering a second referendum, given how the landscape has changed, is very frustrating.
When was the last time you saw UK salaries keep pace with inflation? The only time real wage growth has been lower than it is at present excluding the slumps immediately after the two world wars was the mid 19th century.
and that's before we even get onto the 10s or even 100s of thousands who will be out of work as companies scale down their UK operations.
How will the continuing slump in the pound not compound things when the vast majority of items we consume on a daily basis are imported?
How do you figure a slump in housing prices and the ensuing negative equity will not affect the average Joe? How about the devaluation of pension funds and investments dooming people to having to work 10-15 years longer than they should, if they can find the work?
The Rees Moggs, Johnsons and Goves who have hedged their investments against a UK economic crisis will be fine but UK industry and the average Joe will be well and truly fecked.
Phew, so many points to get through...
When was the last time you saw UK salaries keep pace with inflation? - Since last year? Before that, for pretty much every period except the "lost decade" post-2008 crash. What's your point?
That's before we even get onto the 10s or even 100s of thousands who will be out of work as companies scale down their UK operations. - What's that got to do with what we're talking about?
How will the continuing slump in the pound not compound things when the vast majority of items we consume on a daily basis are imported? - Have you understood what we're discussing? We're discussing the prospect of short "crash" (severity unknown) manufactured by Westminster for political gain. The type Owens is talking about in the Guardian. Not the long term effect of Brexit. Continuing devaluation of the pound into the future will indeed cause inflation problems.
How do you figure a slump in housing prices and the ensuing negative equity will not affect the average Joe? - Housing prices are due a correction. Ideally through gradual decrease in real values (rather than nominal) instead of a crash. But the current prices are asset bubbles fuelled by poor regulation and manipulated under-supply. And in the end of the day, they won't affect residential homeowners terribly, mostly the investors in the market. The fundamentals for rents are very strong, so those won't collapse leaving residential home owners in net benefit of owning a home. A home owner caught in negative equity can still rent the home out and move elsewhere (via renting) so long as rents are solid.
How about the devaluation of pension funds and investments dooming people to having to work 10-15 years longer than they should, if they can find the work? - Wut? There are feck all projections over the timeframe you are mentioning, certainly not anything with any degree of accuracy. The stock market (and pension fund asset values) has fully recovered from quite a few major crashes in the last 18 years alone. Not to mention that pension funds invest in many assets including foreign stock exchanges and bonds. They can hedge their exposure, much like any rich person. We have no fecking clue what will happen in the next 20 years or so.
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Your brexit saviour.
As I have said above I think there is a part of her that does not think Brexit is a total disaster. I voted remain but that didn't mean I was totally happy with the EU.
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She was unhappy that she could not expel terrorists due to ECHR rules. I don't equate a desire not to be governed by the ECHR as being like Belarus.
To be honest this one is incredibly disturbing, May made the comment about the ECHR in 2016 and up until this day it doesn't seem that everyone realized that the ECHR wasn't a EU convention and obviously the ECtHR isn't a EU court either. This is really disturbing because clearly high profile leaders have no clue about their job.
You missed his point. The ECHR isn't the EU, Belarus is the only European country to not be member of the Council of Europe.
ERG doing a Spurs.
I think May understood the difference because she said the UK should leave the ECHR regardless of the vote on the EU
Rare honesty among DM readers.
Looks fake or the work of lefty trolls like a lot of the DM comments you post in here Jip.
As JPRouve says Belarus is the only European country not in it, and they're trying to get in.
It is not an EU institution. She's an idiot or even worse.
Yes, it is really concerning.
Was always going to be the case, they don't hate the EU so much that they'll potentially let a socialist into power.