What's your beef with swans?
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What's your beef with swans?
Fascist c*nts.
To be fair they always seemed a little chippy to me too.
In a way all solutions to this have the potential to be declared a success. It all depends on how much pain people are prepared to take and for how long. Is the EU system the best there is? The Aussies among others might disagree.
I was not entirely happy with the EU but voted remain - on the don't-rock-the-leaky-boat or better-the-devil-you know basis.
To be fair they always seemed a little chippy to me too.
They're aggressive. I'll give you that.
Maybe you're right. But if we crash out in the worst of circumstances leading to massive job losses and 8% negative growth then Nigel Farage (who is a genuine charlatan) will be nowhere to be seen. I think JRM would face the music.
Right, we can have a discussion whether there's possibly better ways of organising oneself than the EU currently does, I completely accept that. I accept that many Britains thought/think Britain is capable of better, it is understandable.
But when the person who says it lies all day and night for years on end (any of the major brexiteers, any!) why would I believe them when they say so? Why would I believe some lying populist caricature of an upper class Brit when he says we'll be so much better off? I've listened to JRM, i've listened to BOJO, i've listened to Farage. There's loads of things one can criticise the EU for, but not remedying their made up woes isn't one of them. At some point I lost respect for these people (brexiteer politicians), lie to me 10 times and I'll listen to you an 11th time to see if you speak truth. But lie to me a million times and I'll start thinking those that still believe you are mentally inept.
(Royal you, not you personally @Honest John)
If the UK does crash out and the subsequent economic carnage does happen then all of those responsible for the lies should be held to account . Criminally they'll get away with it but hopefully the public will realise that they have been conned and these people will be finished as politicians/public figures.
Yes Farage is the biggest charlatan but maybe the US will be after him as well.
JRM will bring back the pounds he took abroad before the referendum and they will be worth twice as much.
I think with Mogg at least the woes are genuine. He is stuck in a time warp. The others are a lot more sinister IMO. I think net immigration in terms of the rate of increase was a concern of many in the UK. Sovereignty? Nah. The ECJ? I suspect in some quarters people thought that was an earth moving vehicle. The degree of vitriol towards the EU just plain did not exist across the population as a whole. Most, like me, found it mildly irritating from time to time but for the most part were not that arsed about it.
They should then confiscate it under the unexplained income rules.
Then sew a dunces hat to his scalp and make him stand in the corner of the commons with his nose against the wall forever.
"Jeremy Corbyn had a constructive meeting with Scottish first minister Nicola Sturgeon. They discussed their common opposition to Theresa May’s botched Brexit deal and determination to work across parliament to prevent a disastrous no deal outcome."
So they don't want May's deal, they don't want No Deal, the only other choice is to Remain in the EU. There is no other deal.
So they don't want May's deal, they don't want No Deal, the only other choice is to Remain in the EU. There is no other deal.
It’s all just posturing. What he actually wants is a general election and he will lie through his teeth to try end get the outcome he wants. He’s a politician. That’s what they do.
Yes, for sure he wants a general election, which I highly doubt will happen and which he would probably lose anyway.
None of that helps the UK defuse the ticking time bomb that ejects them from the EU.
Think the UK needs a bit of honesty at this moment.
I suspect also the government are also considering making a free vote (like they did in 1971)
Yes this will probably loose them another 5 cabinet votes... but it will make it impossibe for labour to put up a 3 line whip to compel members to vote against it without looking like they are putting party politics first and potentially therefore carrying most of the blame for a no deal...
its a roll of the dice but shes out of other options so they will release everything they can to get labour mps on board - especially those who know that momentum is going to de-select them anyway so why not actually vote for a deal if they think its better than the alternative
its going to come down to how is hated most in their own party - may or corbyn - and its gonna be close - the state of uk politics eh
Is there any actually news today?
Even JRM admits there are not enough letters.
It's one guy. He's said that people who have publicly claimed to send a letter in haven't, that would be easy to disprove considering it's a short list.
nothing other than we are one day closer to it all going wrong
129 days to go, 129 days ago England lost to Belgium in the WC 3rd place play-off.
I read up again about Heath's strategy in 1971. The free vote thing was a bit of a master stroke. With most commentators saying they'd lose or it was too close to call, they wound up with a 112 majority.
it was ken clarke who talked him into it apparently...
and of course it was a key reason the labour party split...
I have to say Im not sure there are enough MP's who would vote with the conservative party this time... I also dont think many would want to be seen to abstain on the issue so labour MP's really would be throwing their career under a bus I think to side with May?
That said if there was a new centrist Remain Party formed Im sure there would be plenty more who might jump ship and sail into the election on that particular lifeboat - but I hoestly dont think there is time for that.
Gut feel Mays vote fails by 20 or so votes
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Amazing Ken Clarke's still around, if somewhat past it. One of the very few tories I've ever had any time for.
Nah, they were gonna lose a vote on it anyway so spared themselves the added anguish.
I don't know if it would happen but the worry of being deselected I image plays a part. Considering it a lot easy to do now.
yes - he came to office in 1970... same election as the beast of bolsover
i have to say if there was a snap general election they might be safe - or does labours new selection policy come into effect if an election is called... because I think if one is called then it 6 weeks to the polls and thats going to be messy if there is infighting over who the candidate is and incumbent mps standing as independents etc.
But yeah if they side with May their odds on reselection have to diminish even if corbyn allowed a free vote on the issue... it will be red tory blairite scum etc
He should have been the Tory Party leader at some point in his career, but he was too pro-Europe, or something.
He finiahed 2nd to haigue I think in 97
And again to ids
Eliminated in the first round when Cameron won
Hard to think he wouldn't have done better than at least 2 of them
And how Michael howard won uncontested is honestly still a mystery to me
That's exactly my memory of it. He as good as threw away his chance to be PM because he wouldn't give up or hide his views on Europe.
Quite a contrast to the current lot, May believes in Europe but wouldn't let that get in the way of her being PM, and Corbyn who doesn't believe in Europe but hides it as best he can to keep his chance of being PM alive. Disgraceful and sad at the same time.
The only news item talked about in my house today, so far, was indeed Larry the Cat. Did Larry miaow for help or did he use his special pussycat eyeball telepathy to communicate his requirements? They haven't given us anywhere near enough detail, as usual.
Yeah. What are they hiding about Larry the Cat?
A tweet from a BBC NI reporter. Says alot when local NI business leaders and even farmers are now saying they back May's deal. Unsurprisingly the DUP aren't happy about that and it has upset Arlene and Sammy as they are more concerned about the Union than the people back home having a few quid.
Yeah f*ck the people. The union is way more important
that is the tl:dr of their manifesto
The result of the DUP not liking May's deal
what a bunch of *****I have respect for Teresa May in terms of what she’s trying to do with Brexit, but she should never been forgiven for allowing those backward DUP fascists any kind of power in the commons.