The Labour government pays for everything?
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The Labour government pays for everything?
the government has already been paying for rail travel with feck all to show but rising fares and more money in richard bransons pockets
Turns out you get more government spending with taxes on corporations and rich folk.
Sorry I should have read your post more carefully. No, of course parliament can't force the EU to agree to anything, but they can force the government to attempt to ask the EU for either an extension of the article 50 period, or cancellation of article 50 or anything else they please. Obviously its then up to the EU whether to accept or not (which they've previously made clear they'd be open to as long as it was accompanied by a democratic mandate). I just think its very important to remember that parliament hold (and have always held) complete power over the governments actions. The only question is whether they choose to wield that power.
Not sure what you mean there
The lunatics well and truly have taken over the asylum. Any sane people left?
They were not sensible because they could not be delivered without punitive taxation or massive borrowing. Being 20 points behind Corbyn could promise the earth in the near-sure knowledge that he would never have to deliver on any of it. Pure populism. That said, I do have some sympathy with the notion of re-nationalising the railways.
look i like things to be going well and to help people in poverty but if you tax me it's literally a crime against humanity
Your point being?
there should be a accountant multiplier in the tax system where your calculated tax is multiplied but the number of accountants you have +1
Well that is one way of looking at it. The other being to tax enough to fund services like health and education to a standard befitting the 5th largest economy in the world.
shock horror as concentration of wealth leads to the people hoarding it paying more taxes, great analysis from the telegraph there
Taxing a few rich posh twats isn't a waste.
What makes you think you'll "cut" train fares by nationalising? I mean you can subsidise the fairs with taxpayer money to make them appear cheaper, but that's merely hiding the cost and spreading it across more people (the taxpayers), including those that use and don't use rail services.
Unless you think the government will run them more efficiently and have cost savings through that. In which case allow me to have very severe doubts about that based on my experience of cost efficiency in public services.
train fares are already heavily subsidised while the companies running them make buckets of cash, it's a farce literally just getting rid of the capitalists share will lower prices
The tax burden on this country is already the highest it has ever been. Do you really think that taxing the rich more will lead to further investment? If there is no investment there will be no jobs that means more people on welfare and therefore less tax take for the nation. This then leads to further tax increases, so more of the wealthy leave and so on. All done before.
But hey, read about the massive prosperity this country basked in during the 1970's.
Sounds like socialist populism.
and lets not pretend the private companies are running the rail system competently or efficiently unless you're the kind of dense fecker who thinks the replacement bus service is just a little train
That's not hiding the cost to the users though is it? There's plenty of companies and rich folk who don't get taxed nearly as hard as they should.
it's not even the highest in living memory holy shit dude stop pulling things out of your arse
40 years at least. But never mind the inaccuracy do you think it should be higher than it is now?
In what fantasy World are the Government competent to run anything at all?
Yes it is. What you're talking about is entirely unrelated. Apart from taxing companies and rich individuals harder, which is a debate on its own, why should that tax money be spent on public transport and not Policing, NHS, universal credit etc. It's still an expenditure on the HMRC.
Some people in this thread have clearly 0 idea how the rail franchising system works. Not surprised in the least.
Privatisation is as much about raising a few quid, and not that much in the case of the railways, as dropping that hot potato and letting some other unfortunate fecker sort it out.
Except it isn't. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. It's up to the Government on what taxes get paid, and where the funds are spent. Labour have said they will use them to re-nationalise the railways, and cut costs to consumers. Such a policy has been successful in other countries. I'm not on about the appropriation of government spending.
It won't work.
significantly, and the labour & snp amendments that passed this week to track tax avoidance will help, and when labour takes charge the likes of phillip green won't be able to continue to rob the country dry
Except it is. We keep going on in circles here. Let's leave it.
Corporation tax is the lowest it's ever been. Meanwhile our schools, police force, hospitals are all under funded.
I think having a healthier, happier, safer and better educated workforce would lead to more investment in the long-run, yeah.
look i know you don't like mad ideas madmike, but the government can spend money on more than one thing
I believe this is correct - they cannot block no deal, it is the default position if transitional arrangements cannot be agreed before the A50 deadline.
We also cannot unilaterally extend A50. I believe that the EU have been telling us throughout that they will agree to extend A50, if (and only if) it is to give us the requisite time to conduct a second referendum (which would have to contain a 'remain' option). What they will not do (so I understand) is extend A50 for a renegotiation of May's deal (and there is no time to renegotiate it from scratch before the current deadline). Given that May is unlikely to be able to get her deal through Parliament, 'no deal' now looks like by far the most likely outcome.
The only way no deal will realistically be prevented is with a second referendum being called in the new year. I don't think any Tory PM will call for a second vote (even staring down the barrel of no deal), so we'd also need a change of government (and Corbyn to be persuaded of the necessity of a referendum). This strikes me as the less likely outcome.
A a rule I am not in favour of nationalisation. But I think the Railways could be worth looking at. For a starters, the notion that the current arrangement promotes competition is a nonsense. You have one company that wins the right to run on one section of the network. How is that competitive? Ok, you say, they could lose the contract to another cheaper bid. But that never seems to happen. The network itself is pretty much state owned. I am sure that it is not beyond the wit of 21st century state to not repeat the mistakes of the past and find a funding model that ensures the tax-payer is getting value for money. Lots of modern countries successfully run state owned railways. I just think it would be worth considering.
I thought so too, but with the amount both remain and hard brexit tories have capitulated over the last week they might vote the deal through just to stop a general election.
Agree the first 2 paragraphs but how does a referendum stop a no deal? The offer will still be the same from the EU.
But the system has to be more nuanced than just hiking rates for anyone above £80k. I agree with Philip Green and HIS like, they should be hunted down and made to pay. The same with the likes of Amazon and Starbucks.
I run a Company of 50 people and earn just about 6 figures. It is all PAYE and I do pay a lot of tax - £39k last year. I don't use accountants to do my return. Do you really want the likes of me to pay more?
They would extend A50 to allow us the time to conduct the vote (which would have to include a remain option - thus potentially avoiding Brexit altogether).