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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Crystal clear answers from Jeza there as always.
Churchill being used in a Brexit debate?
So much of what is wrong with Britain is encapsulated in that little fact.
I'd say you're about right all around.
...and what follows is most like some kind of 'negotiated no deal' scenario.
TBF it was David Lammy invoking Churchill this time around in a pro-EU speech during the debate.
...but I see where you're coming from, his use in memes to justify sometimes outdated ideals (often with made up quotes) is overused, and usually cringe.
Living in the past was where I was coming from.
Great leader through a war but a pretty reprehensible figure beyond that. Certainly not a good representative of modern values.
I am to sure about that to be honest. Most of my colleagues have discussed France as the easiest option (French Company) but I'm not sure that's a move I want to make. Think it would be easier for me to adjust to a place like Canada.
We Brits don't half like a toff to tell us what to do.
Look around europe, its an epidemic
Elaborate sweet square
Well that was fun.
Labour's position is hopelessly ridiculous.
Mogg and Cleverly can't stop lying.
People keep saying they are more informed now.
Why are people still talking utter crap then and what is known now that wasn't known in 2016. People will still believe the bollox the politicians spout as long as it suits what they want to hear.
Two days from the most important decision in most people's lifetime. Bewildering.
Could easily be right. Part of me looks forward to an early general election though, as it looks as if Labour's position on Europe with it's six tests bollocks will be so patently unachievable that they will be well stuffed at the ballot, but that's only because I sense a good gambling opportunity. Maybe someone of the much vaunted half a million party Corbynites can put me right on that, they seem to have been a bit quiet lately?
I can't see a General Election unless May loses a confidence vote. I can't believe any Labour supporter or member can say with a straight face that trying to force a GE right now is even remotely acting in the best interests of the country! It's such eminently transparent political opportunism. Not that the Conservatives would be any different. There's really not very long left to (re)negotiate any kind of deal with the EU, albeit a last minute 'negotiated no deal' - We're already burned out with balot fatigue, really, does the country really want another 8 weeks of election campaigning? Followed by an inevitable hung parliament with the clusterfeck and power scramble to arrange another Conservative minority government, this time without DUP backing - whilst watching Corbyn trying to pander to the SNP (by promising IndyRef 2) and to the Liberal Democrats (by promising the Peoples' vote) to form some a coalition of misfits, all pulling in different directions.
Why do you look forward to an early ge if you think torys will win again? Why not just carry on with the torys you have now?
May wont lose a confidence vote, no-one has put themselves forward as official challenger .
Maybe you missed the bit where I said 'only because I sense a good gambling opportunity' ?
And that is?
The vultures are circling though. After she loses the first vote, they’ll smell blood and then any more failures and she could be toppled.
So you did miss it. Now go back and see what else you missed. Or go to bed, I'm thinking about it.
Yeah, it reads like horse shit. I once gambled on carson in a 2 horse race, he was odds on. I lost. Not getting your opportunity .
Frank was a little overweight, mind.
May is deeply unpopular with hard-Brexiteers over the Chequers deal which will be rejected on Tuesday night.
...but the Tories would be hugely naive to think that Johnson or Rees-Mogg would have enough public support to secure a majority. I'm a Lib Dem/Conservative swing voter and I even I wouldn't want Boris or JRM anywhere near power. The latter is especially out of touch with reality, he's like a politician from the 1930s unfrozen from a time capsule.
I stated quite clearly that I thought Labour's six tests policy was bollocks and invited anyone who thinks otherwise to put me right, so feel free, go right ahead.
No. Tell me the bet
Sorry, I didn't realise you were that dim, in the event of an early election I would bet on the Tories because Labour's Brexit six tests policy is so patently unachieveable that the electorate would see through it and vote against them. I also invited anyone to put me right on that view as I'm always willing to learn, but I'm still waiting for that, for some reason.
It's always best to counter with this premonition about Little Englanders:
The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate... I feel that the source from which the stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another year has passed.
Churchill to Asquith, 1910
If you are 30 or under, check thw working holiday visa too. They just opened the pools. Is how i entered canada and eventually got the residency
Here we go...
Anyone else feel like this is the start of the purge? 
May pondering a second referendum with no remain option.
I doubt she will be the one calling another ref.
I wasn't expecting this, and it totally alters my point of view, I'm now right behind a second referendum with Remain as an option. Previously I thought Remain with unknown conditions couldn't have won anyway, but if it's possible to stay as we are then there's a strong chance. Furthermore, if May's deal is voted down in parliament tomorrow then that shouldn't even be on the referendum, it should be a straight choice between Remain and Hard Brexit.
Feckin hell though, imagine the scenes if after all of this time, it goes back to status quo? Apart from the monumental waste of time, the losses to the economy, the companies who've already moved, there'll be uproar from the leavers. It's lose-lose for everyone. David Cameron should go down as one of the worst PMs in history.
Yeah, hugely embarrassing but seems the best option to me.
They don't have to worry about that though until 5 May 2022. Not if they can hold onto that DUP support anyway.
There'll be uproar regardless. It would be better to have uproar and a stable economy rather than uproar and an unstable economy.
I don't think many Corbynites disagree with you. They were always bollocks but there's just some disagreement on whether they were used to keep the Tories to their promises and set them up for failure or if they're actually deluded. I think the former as that seems to be what all the conversations via any front bench other than Corbyn indicate. Labours activity and those six rules don't match up but we'll see which it is this week.
An important note missed out on the above, they've confirmed A50 could still be unilaterally revoked within extension. Although extension needs EU approval.
Think the outcome if we end up staying in the EU is exaggerated . This is the UK 2018 ,don't see any mass riots from the leavers.