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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Switzerland , Norway or Outer Mongolia is not the solution to the Irish border.
There was a Common Travel Area in operation allowing FOM and residence of Irish Nationals in the UK and vice versa long before either Ireland or the UK were in the EU. What is the fear here? A few bottles of potcheen and the odd chlorine chicken that the UK bought from the USA? That the DUP will build a wall? The only reason there was ever a hard border was the need for security because of the troubles. There is no need for a hard border.
 
There was a Common Travel Area in operation allowing FOM and residence of Irish Nationals in the UK and vice versa long before either Ireland or the UK were in the EU. What is the fear here? A few bottles of potcheen and the odd chlorine chicken that the UK bought from the USA? That the DUP will build a wall? The only reason there was ever a hard border was the need for security because of the troubles. There is no need for a hard border.
The need for checks to determine tax and customs duties that will need to be collected in the event there is no comprehensive free trade agreement for goods.
 
@Honest John
There are no borders between northern and Southern Ireland
There are no electronic checks. If they need to check a car for a criminal then they stop it physically somewhere along the road and search it
The only way you can tell that you’ve crossed from north to south or vice versa is when the road signs change
 
@Honest John
There are no borders between northern and Southern Ireland
There are no electronic checks. If they need to check a car for a criminal then they stop it physically somewhere along the road and search it
The only way you can tell that you’ve crossed from north to south or vice versa is when the road signs change

This!
It really isnt rocket science lads for feck sake.
 
It's ludicrous. Their answer to 'how will we prevent a hard border?' is basically to say '...magic'.
I’m half expecting them to say something like “just because” or some other childish nonsense. It’s crazy - if they feck this up there will be bombs flying off in the UK again. They will literally set peace back decades again
 
There was a Common Travel Area in operation allowing FOM and residence of Irish Nationals in the UK and vice versa long before either Ireland or the UK were in the EU. What is the fear here? A few bottles of potcheen and the odd chlorine chicken that the UK bought from the USA? That the DUP will build a wall? The only reason there was ever a hard border was the need for security because of the troubles. There is no need for a hard border.

If and when the UK leaves the EU, the CU and SM and assuming NI leave with them, they will under completely different regulations.
Why is the UK so keen to have control of their borders then? Why not let everybody and every product and every service and every capital into the country
 
The need for checks to determine tax and customs duties that will need to be collected in the event there is no comprehensive free trade agreement for goods.
Right. So if Brexit has to happen then May's deal looks like the only realistic possibility. WA - transition - FTA negotiations - extension or backstop if needed - FTA agreed with customs alignment.
 
That would breach the Good Friday agreement, would it not?

Yes but something has to give and the deadline is fast approaching. You need a border somewhere and with time running out they will be looking around the world at similar situations.
 
Right. So if Brexit has to happen then May's deal looks like the only realistic possibility. WA - transition - FTA negotiations - extension or backstop if needed - FTA agreed with customs alignment.

Yes - as I've been saying it is the only possible outcome if the UK leave with an agreement - and this was inevitable. But at the end of the process there's still no way out of the backstop if the UK or rather NI leave the CU.
Which probably means it will never get through parliament.
 
Yes - as I've been saying it is the only possible outcome if the UK leave with an agreement - and this was inevitable. But at the end of the process there's still no way out of the backstop if the UK or rather NI leave the CU.
Which probably means it will never get through parliament.
The end of the process will require regulatory alignment. All trade agreements require that in varying degrees. If what we are talking about is to be 'comprehensive and unique' therefore not Norway, Switzerland, Canada or anyone then regulatory alignment can be negotiated to the point that it almost mirrors what is in existence now. The EU won't say that though because it will seem like cake and cherries. But business wants it. Here and in the EU.
 
The end of the process will require regulatory alignment. All trade agreements require that in varying degrees. If what we are talking about is to be 'comprehensive and unique' therefore not Norway, Switzerland, Canada or anyone then regulatory alignment can be negotiated to the point that it almost mirrors what is in existence now. The EU won't say that though because it will seem like cake and cherries. But business wants it. Here and in the EU.

A comprehensive and unique agreement would mean that the UK had exactly the same rules as the EU - don't think Trump would be too happy not to mention the leavers.
Someone's going to tell me the point of leaving.
 
Chuka Umunna has to be the most hated man in parliament. Everything he does is seen as a plot to remove Corbyn. :lol:
 
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Twitter musings seem to be saying the magic number may have been reached. Although knowing this goverment and the tory party I'm not convinced they wouldn't cover it up.
 
Twitter musings seem to be saying the magic number may have been reached. Although knowing this goverment and the tory party I'm not convinced they wouldn't cover it up.

I’m a little out of loop today. Are we talking votes on her deal or votes of no confidence?
 
I’m a little out of loop today. Are we talking votes on her deal or votes of no confidence?

The tory letters of no confidence aka leadership change.

Although judging by Corbyns speech then demanding the Tories bring a vote to the house tomorrow I'm half expecting a house vote of no confidence to be called if they don't.
 
The tory letters of no confidence aka leadership change.

Although judging by Corbyns speech then demanding the Tories bring a vote to the house tomorrow I'm half expecting a house vote of no confidence to be called if they don't.

Knowing May, the cnut will probably win a vote of confidence and get immunity for the next year and run us off a bridge.
 
Bah gawd! That man has a family!


Sensible option would be to lock all those feckers in parliament full time and broadcast them talking shite purely for the comedy value while ordinary people get on with their lives, because that video would be hilarious if it wasn’t so serious, these are the fools that are meant to be running the country.
 
She said it yesterday and got called 'the voice of the opposition' by our state broadcaster, so she's probably wondering what sort of praise she'll get by saying it in front of even more journalists.
Bizarre she said it at all. If there's one thing that's bound to make Corbyn hold off the trigger it's voicing that you're trying to play him out loud.

Maybe that's why the Conservative no confidence votes are coming in while she's still likely to win any party vote; to shore up her position pre-emptively for when Corbyn puts his in.
 
If you don't have a hard border in Ireland how will Britain stop foreigners coming into its lands? The racists that won Brexit won't be happy
 
On Facebook I've seen that someone said today that the Irish should "know their place". Seriously?
The Tory MPs that shout loudest about "sovereignty", really just mean "give us our Empire back."
 
Someone on the internet said it was a scottish sectarian.

According to someone. On Instagram.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46528952

"We simply cannot allow the Irish to treat us like this," the former minister said about the negotiating tactics of the Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar.

The Conservative MP was exasperated that the Republic of Ireland (population: 4.8m) has been able to shape the EU negotiating stance that has put such pressure on the UK (population: 66m).

"This simply cannot stand," the one-time moderniser told me. "The Irish really should know their place."
 
"The Conservative MP was exasperated that the Republic of Ireland (population: 4.8m) has been able to shape the EU negotiating stance that has put such pressure on the UK (population: 66m)."

It's almost like Ireland is part of some larger union of european countries from which it gains political strength? The UK should probably look at getting involved in something similar.
 
"The Conservative MP was exasperated that the Republic of Ireland (population: 4.8m) has been able to shape the EU negotiating stance that has put such pressure on the UK (population: 66m)."

It's almost like Ireland is part of some larger union of european countries from which it gains political strength? The UK should probably look at getting involved in something similar.

That is crazy talk.