It's not ideal, and it probably wouldn't have happened, but it certainly isn't the doomsday scenario is is often made out to be. From my perspective, the worst possible outcome is one that sees us remaining in the EU - all other outcomes are better.
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Public numbers seem overwhelmingly in her favour. Is this anything to go by?
May returning to the Cameron/Crosby-playbook and trying to sow fear re a Labour government.
The movement of people is the least of the problems, you cannot have an open border between countries with different regulations. Why won't the UK take responsibility for their actions?
You would have no problem with not having a border with India for example?
There are borders between Norway and Sweden, between Switzerland and France/Germany/Italy. Even Liechtenstein has a border.
I do believe the Irish border is a very specific issue, and I don't think many people have Ireland in mind when they talk about "taking control of our borders".
You are right though if you suggest that the absence of a border in Ireland would present a back door for migration from the EU to the UK. Personally I don't see that as a big problem as I'm not sure there would be a huge incentive for EU nationals to move to the UK post-Brexit. The bigger problem would arise from the movement of goods, but this looks to me to be much more of an issue for the EU than for the UK.
In what aspect? If you're referring to Tory MP's coming out to support her, it's a blind ballot - so they can say one thing and do another.
I only see the first group masquerading as the second, to be honest. When they're pressed about anything about the EU they escape into their "I don't know the details" safe zone. That second group may exist, but it's a tiny minority that are both informed about the EU and against it.
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Escape the right wing organisation into the safe hands of the tories?
Around 158 Tories have said publically they will back her and that's enough to win.
But it's a secret ballot so if less than that number end up voting in her favour it goes to prove what a dishonest, snakey party of back stabbing twats they are.
Well that doesn’t sound like the Tory party.
There are reasons why there isn't a hard border between the UK and Ireland that go way beyond trade and customs regulations, as I'm sure you know. The same issues do not apply in the examples you provide (or, as far as I know, anywhere else in the world).
It's not an issue of the UK taking responsibility - in a post-Brexit world, why should the UK, which generally favours free trade anyway, put in place infrastructure solely to uphold EU customs regulations?
Yes. Most of the the public, whether leave or remain want this done. And they want it done in the least painful manner with the closest relationship with the EU.
Plus the fact that the only person in Parliament that appears to be working their proverbial arse off in the interest of the country appears to be Theresa May.
All the rest are lazy, gutless, self-indulgent tossers who have done sod all but stand around pointing fingers and uttering mealy-mouthed complaints.
The public know that and will remember that when election time comes.
It's not EU regulations , it's WTO regulations that the hard brexiters seem to have fallen in love with. Thus if the UK have an open border with the EU/Ireland they have to have an open border with every other WTO nation, MFN rules, which rather defeats the object of 'taking control of our borders' when the UK will have no control of any border with any country.
But even this does not take away the problem of certification , standards and the mountains of paperwork a hard brexit will entail. Any movement of goods both ways will be a logistical nightmare.
What an extraordinary view you have. Honestly the mind boggles.
Bored of the whole thing to be honest. We look like a bunch of clowns for electing these lot.
Much as I dislike the Tories, this thought did cross my mind the other day.
She's just a scapegoat for the whole Conservative party incompetence.
John Redwood has opened an account.
They will continue to Get elected too. We don't deserve nice things.
I get that she's in a difficult situation but thats one of the worst PMQ performances from her. Again treating parliament as party politics
I can only speak for myself, but I accepted that there would be an economic impact from Brexit in the short to medium term, but voted for it anyway. I'm also sure that 'decimating our economy' is a massive overstatement of the impact of a hard Brexit.
I dislike the EU as an organisation, and fervently wish we were not a part of it. I retain some hope, but not much to be honest, that my wish will soon come to pass.
Another tosser.
All these guys fall into the classic research method trap where they only listen to and read anything that confirms their theory.
Redwood believes fervently that all swans are white, but he's never been to New Zealand.
In what ways has the UK being in the EU been detrimental to your life? I assume it has been considerable given your views.
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What's the upside down question mark thing about then? Whatever it is it's stupid.
The Lib Dems are such joke.
The Uk will almost certainly not be a member of the EU on 30th March.
Just wondering what actual issues do you have with the EU which are factual and not just propaganda pushed?
Also decimating our economy would be 5% decrease it is predicted that brexit will cause a near 15-20 % decrease. Do you really thing that is small - medium? That would straight up mean millions lose jobs. Lastly it is logically not possible based on facts and evidence that the UK could ever get their economy back up to pre brexit levels if we left. So we would have less money regardless of how well we recover.
That’s a Spanish thing isn’t it. Bloody EU
If you ever feel pangs of sympathy for a Tory creeping up on you reach quickly for a copy of their voting record.
Theresa May is a cnut.
Probably some glitch from when it was copied over from David Schneiders twitter feed.
The EU has not, as far as I know, had any detrimental effects on my life, and may even have had some positive ones (in terms of convenience, and perhaps materially).
My objections to it are more political and philosophical. I don't see the EU's direction of travel as being compatible with my views of what a nation state should be, or my views on how we should be governed by democratic institutions that are accountable to the people they serve. To me, the economic arguments are secondary.
Apostrophes render like that in html sometimes.
Considering how many Tory MPs stood up and attacked May and her government over the last week there must be a lot within the 158 who have publically declared their support.
I'm fed up of this shit, on the one hand this is what would have happened if Corbyn had called a no confidence vote but at the same time i strongly feel this government can't continue. It's a farce that can't be resolved largely due to the backwards DUP
I'm fed up of this shit, on the one hand this is what would have happened if Corbyn had called a no confidence vote but at the same time i strongly feel this government can't continue. It's a farce that can't be resolved largely due to the backwards DUP
What views are these?
Thanks all. I must be getting paranoid because I thought it had some sort of 'clever' significance.
Here's hoping that if no deal does pass the consequences to you are anything but philosophic.
I wish I shared your confidence. I predict that the Article 50 declaration will be reversed by parliament quite early in the new year, initially on the pretext of allowing more time for negotiations (which is pointless), but in reality as a prelude for a second referendum.
I always laugh whenever a Tory scaremongers with the predictable ‘Jeremy Corbyn is the biggest threat to this country!’, all while they’re completely running the nation into the country and fragmenting it into utter chaos and division.