I don't know if the Pogues song thing is PC gone mad but people need to accept the characters that people are trying to convey in book, movies, songs etc. Also that song was written years ago. McGowan's response was prefrect in that he was trying to convey an imperfect woman in the song. That song always stood out to me (despite being a rather weak Pogues song overall) as a christmas song because it represents the way a lot of people feel around that time of year instead of the 'Here comes Santa Claus' stuff. It's more real to life. The outrage reminds me of some youtube comments on Backstreet Freestyle by Kendrick. Loads saying he's a typical rapper talking about sex and women where if they had listened to the album they's have realised that the track was basically a skit on that sort of song and him begrudging that he used to think that way. We need to protect expression. How many of these PC people love Game of Thrones but don't realise Daenerys was literally raped as a 13 year old in the books. Doesn't mean that GRRM is that type of guy but he is writing accurately for the time the story is set in.
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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Would never have happened in Bernard Manning's day.
yeah, it really would, unless what you're mad about is homophobia being less acceptable than atheism these days
bernard was criticised for being a bigoted cnut in his day
The big, fat manc was someone I'd never pay to go & see, but he made a good living out of it so I doubt he really gave a shit what people thought of him. Harry Enfield took the piss out of people for years & was loved for it, even by the people he took the piss out of. I wonder how acceptable he would be today with this sort of stuff:
Surely that has to be satire? I’d be amazed if it wasn’t.
We've all unironically agreed with someone satirising us.
Either the Fast show or Harry Enfield show.
Yeah it rings a bell
I sued to watch Harry Enfield videos as a kid, like 6-7 years old, or younger. Pretty sure I knew even then that they were taking the piss with those sketches.
Christ, next he'll post a Smashy and Nicey vid and say Enfield was supporting Savile-like activities.
What a twonk!
What a twonk!
Of course it is. My question was though is how would such a sketch be received today by this generation ? Social media would probably eat itself, especially by those - & let's not kid ourselves they don't exist in their droves - who can't see past the satire.
Behave yourself child.
The kids today all too soft for satire. That's why the onion got shut down.
Yeah...not as if the UK has had any successful satire shows in the past couple of decades, and not as if it's got any well-known satirists who are extremely popular.
And it's not as if when Brass Eye came out, the right went hysterical over it, proving the point of the show entirely...
I think anyone who had a brain in their nut would be able to see it for what it is. Mitchell and Webb did a similar sketch relatively recently and it was very well received.
OK, let me throw the question out there. What is, & what isn't, acceptable as satirical humour ? Is religion as a whole fair game ? Or are certain religions exempt from being lampooned ? Throughout my life I've seen many sketches taking the piss out of priests, vicars, nuns etc. I ask the question because, ironically enough, the BBC had quite a lot of complaints a few years ago when Harry Enfield & Paul Whitehouse were involved in a sketch making fun of a young girl in a burka. So should your bolded statement above count for everyone ?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...fun-girl-burka-latest-comedy-sketch-show.html
I’d say anything is fair game tbh. I haven’t seen the sketch you’re talking about, mind.
It was pretty shit tbf.
Do you guys just ignore all the edgy shite currently in the media in favour of pushing the agenda that you can no longer have edgy shite in the media because PC blah fecking blah....?
Well this thread turned into comedy gold
I don't what's going on.
I just heard a song 'I saw Mummy kissing Santa Claus' and I think it is sexist. It suggests that Santa is a man and only mummy is allowed to kiss him. It disgusting how we teach kids to sing these songs at schools. What kind of bigoted adults will they turn into?
It should be changed to 'I saw one of my parents (who may have adopted me because they are trans) kissing somebody in a Santa suit'.
It should be changed to 'I saw one of my parents (who may have adopted me because they are trans) kissing somebody in a Santa suit'.
Why would trans people be the ones to have adopted?
'I saw one of my care providers making inappropriate sexual contact with a red-suited humanoid figure of masculine-gendered appearance'
I'd love to know exactly what you mean by the term 'you guys'. Surely you're not generalizing a whole swath of people who express their concerns regarding just how much political correctness has gripped societies right across the western world. Because guess what bro, people like me were being kind, respectful, & decent to people of other races, colour, & creed long before you were born. We didn't need PC to let us know that it was offensive & insulting to the aforementioned to single them out for negative treatment because of where they were born, or the colour of their skin, or their religious beliefs. 'You guys' seem to have this massive misconception that we want political correctness to be abolished so that we can embark on some sort of orgy of verbal warfare on people who are non-white, gay, trans-gender etc, etc. This is all about free speech & how it's becoming slowly eroded because of 'you guys'. Self appointed moral guardians of what can, & can't, be said. So 'you guys' really need to wind your respective necks in pretty sharply before you yourselves find yourselves in a situation whereby you have plenty to say but don't have the media platform to say it.
In keeping in line with the comedy theme, you might want to spend the next 10 minutes listening to Rowan Atkinson talking about free-speech on this video clip. Hopefully, it might sink in. But I'm not holding my breath.
Well, you've certainly mastered the self-righteous condescending rant.
Of all the anti-PC arguments anything involving a TV show genuinely makes the least sense to me. Until the 1960s plays could be regarded as blasphemous and until about the 90s swearing and nudity was just a no-go. Of all the areas to highlight...that's the medium that if anything highlights how much things have changed for the better and how much more open society is now. Even if there's the occasional weirdo who doesn't understand that the lyrics to Fairytale of New York are clearly from the perspective of a character.
I mean, look at something like Monty Python and the Life of Brian. It was slated heavily...but it's not even that controversial unless you're a fecking weirdo! And, guess what, it wasn't the left who were criticising it. Even if you're an older individual who was never at all offended by any fictional medium, you're being fecking delusional if you pretend a significant portion of your own generation weren't.
I mean, look at something like Monty Python and the Life of Brian. It was slated heavily...but it's not even that controversial unless you're a fecking weirdo! And, guess what, it wasn't the left who were criticising it. Even if you're an older individual who was never at all offended by any fictional medium, you're being fecking delusional if you pretend a significant portion of your own generation weren't.
The anti-PC crowd isn't railing against rules in this or that medium, they're railing against there being more LGBT and non-white people on these mediums. They're complaining that they get called bigoted cnuts when they're being bigoted cnuts. They want the safe spaces that allow same sex couples to kiss to be replaced with safe spaces where they can say the word faggot without being judged, like in the good old days.
So funny it was banned in Norway.
PC at it’s heart is a good thing. Be nicer to people, basically. And when it surrounds that basic principle it’s great, however it can stray a bit from that idea sometimes. Perspective is lost somewhere along the way and we end up bending over backwards to be offended on behalf of people who weren’t necessarily even complaining anyway. That’s when it can go a bit over the top imo.
You know what they say, if you can't beat them..........
Besides, you have to go a little crazy & OTT sometimes in order to try & put a point across, especially to those who lean so far to the left they probably have trouble walking in a straight line. Although I do accept the futility of it all when you consider that some of them have their opinions set in stone & simply refuse to budge an inch on them regardless of how strong that point may be. If they can't answer it they'll either ignore it, or revert to ridicule, generalization, & pigeon-hole people into the racist, bigot, homophobic box.
The Life of Brian movie is a perfect example of the then & now, & how much has changed.
The outrage at the film came from predominantly conservative church-going types who didn't see the joke. The majority of people who did get the joke came from the left, centre, & the right, who in turn laughed at the aforementioned for being so blinkered & blind. So lets bring a similar scenario up to the present day. This time however Brian is mistaken for a certain Prophet who just happens to be worshiped by approx 1.5 billion people across the planet. How do you think that would pan out then ? You reckon we'd have people on here laughing at the religious conservatives who were offended by the film ? Would you still refer them as weirdo's ?
Islam seems to be exempt from that sort of thing. I guess partly because when you shift the target from Christianity it isn’t poking fun at ‘yourself’ anymore, and pokes fun at someone over there. It goes from self-deprecation to something a bit different. It’s a bit like you making a joke about yourself or someone else doing it, it’s just a different dynamic. Also, the fact they’re a bit touchy about it and will send you death threats probably doesn’t help.
My earlier point was that we've never needed PC to govern a part of our lives. Most people are intelligent enough to know what's offensive & what's not. We certainly don't need self-styled moral policing to tell us what is, & isn't, acceptable. I guess some people will see PC as some sort of social progression. I see it as a social construct manufactured & created by the onset of social media.
There's a billion of them. If they all sent death threats pretty sure this world would be a much different place.
Freedom of speech is a flawed idea in the modern society. There are opinions you just cant say in public. I cant go around announcing how sexy little boys are. For that reason being PC is important
I’m not sure if they are tbf
there’s still a lot of bigotry, racism, homophobia, discrimination etc in the world, and a helping hand is never a bad thing. I just think that’s the sort of thing that needs to be the target, not petty stuff that was offending no-one in the first place.