Premier League Not So Festive Season

Mogget said:
The knee jerking on here is insane :lol:

Drew a game away from home = collapse
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They won 1 in their last 4 games in all competitions.

People here wanted to convince themselves they're better than Wenger days but the reality is that they're exactly similar to any other ordinary Wenger season. Same football, same brilliant start, same collapse midway, same challenging for top 4 only, same in everything but we're supposed to say they have "progressed".
 
IMO, and it is just that, Pochettino to Utd will happen in the summer. Despite the recent troubles most managers would jump to manage Utd and Poch seems an ambitious type. I think he would be mad not to
 
Sarri has to learn to rotate. Same side and tactics that barely registered a shot on target first half v Leicester and was complete garbage for majority of 2nd.
Against a side whose defence is quite decent in the air, play Giroud. Willian is underperforming, get Hazard and Pedro flanking Giroud. Alonso has been meh, get Emerson in who has looked pretty good whenever he plays, albeit against lesser sides mostly. Give the underperforming players a wake up call, what message does it send otherwise?

Players will start getting into the habit of becoming lax regularly. because they know they will still start the following week. Jose, Conte made the same mistake eventually

Watford away is a swine of a fixture, if they get the crowd behind them it is going to be a long night. Some serious doubters coming out re. Sarri amongst Chelsea supporters, tbh. (not that i agree)
 
Dumbstar said:
It's crazy what Poch is doing. It is sort of going unnoticed.
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Exactly, we were excited to get Ole, and giddy about the goals being scored. Spurs went ahead and scored 6 and 5, as if Poch wanted to outdo this United side. If he can turn Son into an unplayable attacker imagine what he could do with Martial.

Edit: Congratulations on winning the league. This Liverpool side was bound to win something at some point.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
Edit: Congratulations on winning the league. This Liverpool side was bound to win something at some point.
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Not falling for that again. If we could let a Suarez-led 2014 lead slip :rolleyes::( to City under Pellegrini then it's a harder ask under Pep even with us being 7 points ahead of him.
 
el3mel said:
They won 1 in their last 4 games in all competitions.

People here wanted to convince themselves they're better than Wenger days but the reality is that they're exactly similar to any other ordinary Wenger season. Same football, same brilliant start, same collapse midway, same challenging for top 4 only, same in everything but we're supposed to say they have "progressed".
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Knee-jerk. Proved my point. Who actually expected us to challenge for the title this season?
 
Dumbstar said:
Not falling for that again. If we could let a Suarez-led 2014 lead slip :rolleyes::( to City under Pellegrini then it's a harder ask under Pep even with us being 7 points ahead of him.
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To be quite honest, this side is superior in terms of balance, squad depth and leadership. I see where your concerns come from, but if you had Klopp or VVD in 2014, you'd be champions even then. This side looks ominous, and most importantly, destined to win. When you have goals like the winner against Everton going your way, you cannot help but believe.

That said, I'd trade a month's pay to see Liverpool bottle it again somehow. :lol:
 
Mogget said:
Knee-jerk. Proved my point. Who actually expected us to challenge for the title this season?
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Where's the progress from Wenger days then people were talking about everywhere, if you're going to finish 5th and again need a cup competition win to save the season.

Arsenal neither regressed nor progressed, they're just exactly the same as Wenger days.
 
Morata fit yet not even in the squad. Encouraging.. Guess we're selling / swapping? 5 minutes injury time this half? Kepa stillat Christmas lunch by the look of that pass.
 
Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 said:
Welcome back Arsène. FFS! Terrible, absolutely disgusting display. Emery is starting to get on my nerves for the way he is using Ozil and Lacazette. Leave them on, albeit they are not on their day because they can always create something.

Congratulations to @Klopper76, @Dumbstar and @Liver_bird for the win on saturday. You are gonna absolutely destroy us. Guess another 5-1 is on the cards.
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I can hear your flouncing from here.
 
Mb194dc said:
Morata fit yet not even in the squad. Encouraging.. Guess we're selling / swapping? 5 minutes injury time this half? Kepa stillat Christmas lunch by the look of that pass.
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Higuain looked so fat playing for Milan today. Was great for Sarri at Napoli but not sure he's the answer tbh.
 
Icardi would probably be better option but he is very loyal to Inter.

Edit: Maybe they could go for Dries Mertens as he dosen't seem as essential in the Ancelotti system. On the bench for Napoli tonight.
 
Chelsea's lack of a forward presence is paid fully obvious. Surely Giroud should be starting?
 
cyberman said:
Chelsea's lack of a forward presence is paid fully obvious. Surely Giroud should be starting?
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Giroud has scored 4 league goals for Chelsea, way down on what he used to contribute at Arsenal even as a supersub.
 
We were 8 pts from 4th, weren't we? I will take 6 pts with hopefully Chelsea not winning today.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
Exactly, we were excited to get Ole, and giddy about the goals being scored. Spurs went ahead and scored 6 and 5, as if Poch wanted to outdo this United side. If he can turn Son into an unplayable attacker imagine what he could do with Martial.

Edit: Congratulations on winning the league. This Liverpool side was bound to win something at some point.
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What if we beat them in two weeks time? Does that mean we don't go for Poch in the summer? Everyone's talking about him like he's a sure thing and we'll mop up trebles if he comes in. Be careful what you wish for, he's had everything built around him at Southampton and Spurs, he wouldn't have the same setup at United and there's zero guarantee he would be a success.
 
FootballHQ said:
Giroud has scored 4 league goals for Chelsea, way down on what he used to contribute at Arsenal even as a supersub.
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Its just his presence that's needed. Occupy the centre backs while offering an aerial threat.
If I'm Watford and they have the ball out wide I'd say cross it. See what happens with Hazard up top.
 
crossy1686 said:
What if we beat them in two weeks time? Does that mean we don't go for Poch in the summer? Everyone's talking about him like he's a sure thing and we'll mop up trebles if he comes in. Be careful what you wish for, he's had everything built around him at Southampton and Spurs, he wouldn't have the same setup at United and there's zero guarantee he would be a success.
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Lets bring Poch in as Ole's assistant.
 
What was built for him at Spurs? They were 6th-7th level when he turned up, pretty much where Man. United are now.
 
cyberman said:
Its just his presence that's needed. Occupy the centre backs while offering an aerial threat.
If I'm Watford and they have the ball out wide I'd say cross it. See what happens with Hazard up top.
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Still needs to chip in with goals himself which he really hasn't.
 
el3mel said:
Where's the progress from Wenger days then people were talking about everywhere, if you're going to finish 5th and again need a cup competition win to save the season.

Arsenal neither regressed nor progressed, they're just exactly the same as Wenger days.
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You should look up what ‘rebuilding’ means. We ended 8th in our first season under Klopp.
 
FootballHQ said:
What was built for him at Spurs? They were 6th-7th level when he turned up, pretty much where Man. United are now.
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And he was allowed to do whatever he wanted to the club because they lacked identity, character and direction. We have all those things currently so asking someone else to come in and 'make us more like Tottenham' is going to end very badly.
 
FootballHQ said:
Still needs to chip in with goals himself which he really hasn't.
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Yes but they're not as if they're replacing Giroud with a goalscorer.
Their fluidity isn't there even with Hazard up top so they've taken away their central focus that doesn't benefit them in any way. Even playing three in the middle is affecting their midfield chemistry.
Kante was alone in the box there for a cross ffs.
Its not like they're dropping Lukaku for Rashford here.
 
RobinLFC said:
You should look up what ‘rebuilding’ means. We ended 8th in our first season under Klopp.
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I'm not sure what the point you're making here.

My point Arsenal this season is exactly similar to any other Wenger season except his last one. Same football played, same challenging for top 4, same results, same course of the season. They're neither regressing nor progressing under Emery, they're exactly similar.

People kept saying they have progressed because they defeated Spurs 4-2 when Wenger defeated them too last season anyway. They're still the same Arsenal nothing more nothing less. Anyone convinced otherwise had a short memory of where Arsenal was under Wenger.

Can they improve the next season ? Hell sure yes, no one knows the future, but I'm talking about the over drooling here about how Emery changed Arsenal in "half a season" and made them good again, while they're still at the same point as they were under Wenger anyway. It always feels to me the work done by any rival manager gets exaggerated.
 
RobinLFC said:
You should look up what ‘rebuilding’ means. We ended 8th in our first season under Klopp.
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Didn't Man. City finish 4th in Pep's season. And they won nothing.

Arsenal are doing fine considering all press pre season had them being way off top 4, actually swop them with Man. United in terms of what their expected level would be.

Fantastic attacking players but aside from that their keeper, defence and midfield options aren't as good as what other teams around them in the league have.

De Gea is better than Leno....Pogba is better than Guendozi....Martial is better than Iwobi etc....
 
el3mel said:
I'm not sure what the point you're making here.

My point Arsenal this season is exactly similar to any other Wenger season except his last one. Same football played, same challenging for top 4, same results, same course of the season. They're neither regressing nor progressing under Emery, they're exactly similar.

People kept saying they have progressed because they defeated Spurs 4-2 when Wenger defeated them too last season anyway. They're still the same Arsenal nothing more nothing less. Anyone convinced otherwise had a short memory of where Arsenal was under Wenger.

Can they improve the next season ? Hell sure yes, no one knows the future, but I'm talking about the over drooling here about how Emery changed Arsenal in "half a season" and made them good again, while they're still at the same point as they were under Wenger anyway. It always feels to me the work done by any rival manager gets exaggerated.
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Emery is starting at way lower base though. Arsenal went from being regular title chasers and CL quarter finalists to now not even qualifying for competition.

Did you really expect Arsenal to be chasing the title?! As I've said many times this is abnormal season for the points teams in top 5 positions have.

In 13/14 Arsenal were top of the league after 19 games with 42 points.

They are joint 4th after 19 games with 38 points.

Season 14/15 they only had 30 points after 18 games, still finished 4th.

Leicester season they had 36 points after 18 games, they were 2nd and 2 points off Leicester.

They are doing o.k. The points field has just been inflated this season with so many poor teams in the bottom half.
 
FootballHQ said:
Emery is starting at way lower base though. Arsenal went from being regular title chasers and CL quarter finalists to now not even qualifying for competition.

Did you really expect Arsenal to be chasing the title?! As I've said many times this is abnormal season for the points teams in top 5 positions have.

In 13/14 Arsenal were top of the league after 19 games with 42 points.

They are joint 4th after 19 games with 38 points.

Season 14/15 they only had 30 points after 18 games, still finished 4th.

Leicester season they had 36 points after 18 games, they were 2nd and 2 points off Leicester.

They are doing o.k. The points field has just been inflated this season with so many poor teams in the bottom half.
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Swap Emery with Wenger on the touchline with same results, would everyone be saying they're playing great football and just needs time or they'll be mocking them ?

They're doing ok, but there's no much progress anyway to say things like Emery changed them or made them good again. Some after that Spurs match were saying he's best tactical astute manager in the league, like seriously ?

They're the same old Arsenal that's all. Whatever they'll progress under him in the future or not, it's something we'll have to wait and see.
 
Dumbstar said:
Not falling for that again. If we could let a Suarez-led 2014 lead slip :rolleyes::( to City under Pellegrini then it's a harder ask under Pep even with us being 7 points ahead of him.
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Nah all the pieces are falling for you. Only issue I can see is if two injuries happen to your front 3 and/or VVD being out for an extended run
 
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