To add to this, he said that May is still trying to get around the Irish border backstop. That's where he says that he is in continuous contact with Downing Street and will provide the needed clarifications but won't renegotiate.
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To add to this, he said that May is still trying to get around the Irish border backstop. That's where he says that he is in continuous contact with Downing Street and will provide the needed clarifications but won't renegotiate.
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Interesting bit of info there but the amendments added onto the bill will likley be voted on before mays deal
Sounds like its nothing but it means that most probably the kier starmer amendment (i.e. reject this deal and reject no deal) will be voted on before mays deal
And Starmers deal will be backed by labour and other opposition parties plus about 20 conservative rebels (hard brexiteers will vote with the government as they want no deal to still be an option)
If thats the case it will pass and then there wont actually be a vote on Mays deal
This will mean that May will not suffer a catastrophic defeat and then will be able to spin it as a handful of remoaner rebels sabotaging brexit...
That will then give her enough time to try and buy off / bully the conservative MP's who voted against her to be brought onside before re-presenting the deal again... beyond Ken Clarke I wonder how many others would risk a general election?... its still a very long shot but this must be her way of thinking that she can possibly get her deal through id parliment blocks no deal and gets her eurosceptic wing voting for any brexit rather than no brexit - then as I say there is a more managable 20 or so MP's to target / bribe
Interesting bit of info there but the amendments added onto the bill will likley be voted on before mays deal
Sounds like its nothing but it means that most probably the kier starmer amendment (i.e. reject this deal and reject no deal) will be voted on before mays deal
And Starmers deal will be backed by labour and other opposition parties plus about 20 conservative rebels (hard brexiteers will vote with the government as they want no deal to still be an option)
If thats the case it will pass and then there wont actually be a vote on Mays deal
This will mean that May will not suffer a catastrophic defeat and then will be able to spin it as a handful of remoaner rebels sabotaging brexit...
That will then give her enough time to try and buy off / bully the conservative MP's who voted against her to be brought onside before re-presenting the deal again... beyond Ken Clarke I wonder how many others would risk a general election?... its still a very long shot but this must be her way of thinking that she can possibly get her deal through id parliment blocks no deal and gets her eurosceptic wing voting for any brexit rather than no brexit - then as I say there is a more managable 20 or so MP's to target / bribe
No, but the only option apart from May's deal and No deal is to cancel Brexit and Starmer doesn't agree to that either. Sleepwalking to No deal because they can't actually stop it.
Indeed - I suspect it would require legal challenges and rulings to find out exactly what happens but in theory
If No deal is voted against but No deal is the legal default what can parliament actually do?
I assume they could force the government to gp back to the EU - who say they wont negotiate and then again what can parliament force the government to do - could they force them to revoke A50 unilaterally - much as I personally would prefer to remain I think the politicaly kick back from that would be so corrosive i dread to think of what would happen?
But if you have a legally binding motion banning no deal
and a legal default position of no deal then they are not compatible
A re-negotiation and extension has to be agreed by the EU which seems unlikely so yeah I dont think there is a majority of MP;s who would vote to force a unilatteral withdrawal of A50 without a 2nd referendum but legally I do wonder what would happen
Starmer's hoping for his hare-brained deal to be even considered by the EU.
The Uk can't force the EU to renegotiate and they won't anyway.
According to law as it stands the Uk leaves the EU in March under whatever circumstances are prevalent at the time. Somehow parliament have to decide one way or another which of the 3 options they will take.
The problem is there's no majority for anything so by default they leave the EU unless A50 is revoked.
Yes politics will be toxic in the UK if they were forced to revoke A50 but it will be anyway because any Brexit will be toxic for the country as well. The genie's out of the bottle and there's no way to put it back in.
"Do you back a second referendum - Peoples vote?" Yes - 46% No - 34% Dont know - 20%
"Who do you trust on Brexit?" May - 34% Corbyn - 21% Neither - 45%
Starting to think the UK as a whole has no idea what it wants.
I immediately mistrust any poll that has the Lib Dems as high 11% but those numbers aren't bad for a centre left alliance
This is where i get confused really because an amendment as such that passes as you say would in effect kill the bill but I'm sure you couldn't represent the exact same bill a week later so there'd have to be something different which the EU won't allow. Perhaps it can be superficial...
I think this is why they were so concerned about Grieve's latest amendment, it provided a clear view that Mays deal won't pass prior to the vote.
Hence, why it was incredibly stupid for referendum not to include clause which requires the vast majority to agree on the thing for it to be binding, something like 66% at least.
There were supposedly 17.4 million different versions of Brexit but what unites all of them is that none of them like what the reality will be and they all wanted the same benefits of being in the EU and none of the responsibilities.
yep.
60% more trust the maybot than Corbyn on brexit... Oooooh (dear) Jeremy corbyn
Yes I think a superficial tweak would probably be sufficient
As I say my real point of wtf happens is if there is a binding parliment motion ruing out no deal... And the legal default is no deal... What happens?
Can parliment force a vote to make the government withdraw article 50?... Certainly one for the lawyers I think and tbh no idea if there is a majority to vote to enact that... Even if there is a majority to currently (it seems ) to rule it out
I just received my letter from the immigration dept outlining what I have to do to stay after brexit 
The bigger story in that article is there's 140 Labour MPs opposed to it. Makes little difference what Corbyn backs if they can't be convinced to vote for it, for some it would be the end of their political careers so a tough job and why the people's vote hasn't got their backing so far.
There is never going to be a majority for a second referendum, at least not now.
The choices are pretty clear.
The choices are pretty clear.
- May's deal.
- No deal.
- Revoke A50.
Problem being no majority for Mays deal
Possibly a majority for no deal but in theory still the legal default if there isn't a majority for something else
Almost certainly no majority to revoke a50 without a second referendum (for which there isn't a majority)
Oh well. UK folks, maybe you can try to look on the bright side - perhaps we're careening towards a global Children Of Men scenario and this isolation lark is going to work out great for you!
Hummmm.... 3/1 odds for UK leaving before 1st April 2019 with no deal...
Tempting
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/brexit/brexit-specials
Tempting
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/brexit/brexit-specials
Stupidity and cowardice will bring to inaction and Britain will go to No Deal by default
or maybe the Tories just don't want a deal
Very.
Is the "UK to leave officially by 29/03/2019" at 11/4 - if it is, it must be stealing money
thats the spirit neil
Of course Neil Warnock voted Leave.
fecking Warnock! I absolutely love it.
Have we ever had a 3 way vote in Parliament before, because honestly that might be the easiest solution. Whichever gets the most votes wins.
Unfortunately I think Colin is representative of about 40% of the country - bumptious, opinionated, ignorant, doesn’t like Johnny Foreigner...
Neil Warnock possibly the least surprising Leave voter in English football. He is also (entirely coincidemtally I'm sure) one of the biggest cnuts in English football.
''Once the country knows what they're doing and we get an agreement it will be straight forward.''
Yeah once the two things are are not straight forward are out of the way it will be straight forward, great logic Neil.
"They took our eyebrows!"
We should be happy there is unlikely to be a second referendum as it would be far more bitter and divisive than even the first one. Regardless of the result no one would accept it as valid and it could then cause other constitutional issues as well.
I agree those are the options.
In my opinion the Conservative party at grass roots level and at least 100 MPs are absolutely against May's deal. This issues are it is absolutely not Brexit as argued for in 2016, is likely designed so after a couple of years of failed trade talks there would be a second referendum, and is essentially remaining but without a vote on anything, and therefore vastly inferior just to staying in.
The only person it actually benefits is Theresa May. Not impossible she'll get it through but it's also likely if she does the DUP will pull out of the confidence and supply agreement and the government will be toast anyway.
No deal is opposed by 500 ish MPs in Parliament I think. It's difficult to see how the government could survive a confidence vote if they attempt to go this route. This would likely lead to a national government rather than a GE in my opinion and article 50 being revoked.
Difficult to see how we avoid ending up at the third point ultimately at the moment. Things are fluid though.
Apparently Hillary Benn might withdraw the amendment that rules out no deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46831229
Because it might succeed and get passed by a few votes
And labour see it as more important to deal a big defeat to may from her own brexiteer rebellion than you know actually pass a motion ruling out no deal
The state of British politics
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46831229
Because it might succeed
and get passed by a few votesAnd labour see it as more important to deal a big defeat to may from her own brexiteer rebellion than you know actually pass a motion ruling out no deal
The state of British politics
Apparently Hillary Benn might withdraw the amendment that rules out no deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46831229
Because it might succeed
And labour see it as more important to deal a big defeat to may from her own brexiteer rebellion than you know actually pass a motion ruling out no deal
The state of British politics
How could it even work though from a legal point of view?
Legislation has been passed, we leave on to WTO trade terms in parliament does nothing. I don't see how this amendment changes that.
We already know 500/650 MPs do not support no deal. If those MPs can pass this amendment then they can also stop no deal happening anyway so it's pointless.
If an amendment passes blocking no deal it does to the best of my knowledge change things....
Please keep in mind I am pretty sure there would be legal challenges and a lot of parliament protocol to wade through... But in essence I think this is what then happens
The government is compelled to take all actions in its power to prevent a no deal and if they are seen not to then an MP could raise a motion forcing a vote upon specific action
They could also hold the government in contempt of parliament
All actions are basically
1.Pursue new deal (EU dependent and the EU wont)
2. Force a vote to make the government apply to extend A50... Likley EU says only for a ge or a 2nd ref... (Would need 2/3 votes to force ge so won't happen... But could force a yes no vote on a second ref)
3. If it gets to a few days before march 29th they could force a straight vote to cancel A50 unilaterally
Basically to stop this the government would have to submit a plan that said leave with no deal and get a commons majority for it
Essentially it takes the narrative and options away from the government... Of course somebody would have to find a majority for extend A50 or even cancel A50 but with 20 or so remain conservatives then it's far more likley than the government passing a no deal majority
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You can just imagine him saying, 'Abroad? I never go abroad. What's wrong with a caravan holiday in Cornwall? The missus loves it?'
Lots of sunday morning stuff as usual today. One thing I don't think is being considered enough it's what might happen if Barnier issues a helpful 'clarification' (definitely not a re-negotiation, oh no) on the backstop. Could be before the vote, but more likely soon after, assuming May loses. I doubt Barnier wants no deal, I don't think most MPs do, it could enable quite a few MPs to change their vote without losing face. I'm not claiming this as the most likely outcome, but it's a possible.