You just highlighted the issue, the talks were about an orderly withdrawal. People not understanding it after two years is almost shocking.
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You just highlighted the issue, the talks were about an orderly withdrawal. People not understanding it after two years is almost shocking.
300 quid is mental, but the government saying 'there was "no need" to stockpile any of the items in the box' seems irresponsible, considering the box contains food. Shouldn't they encourage people to keep a few weeks food in the house regardless of Brexit? It seems like just common sense to have some kind of backup.
I wonder what the value of the food in the box is and what the mark up is for calling it a brexit box.
Fair play to the chap... I'm disappointed I didn't think of it though... My Best brexit plan is to buy lots of dinghy's and set up shop on the south coast as people try and flee to Europe to escape
What happens when the 30 day survival kit runs out, do Brexiters start eating each other?
TBH I think May, an astute politician and remember she was always at best a reluctant Brexiteer has steered the course she always wanted, i.e. to reach an impasse where the only outcome is either leave with no deal or to stay in the EU and in effect to call the whole thing off and cancel Brexit. She has brilliantly used the disarray in Parliament (in part that her own actions have caused), as cover to arrive at the impasse and only now (in last 24 hours) has she admitted in public that Brexit will be cancelled.
This might not have been her original intended approach, but after her catastrophic decision to hold an early election went 'belly up' and nearly let slip the Corbyn dogs of war, she knew her parliamentary career within the Tory party was over.
Now when the dust settles she will be venerated by the remain side in years to come, and treated as a hate figure by Brexiteers... that assumes the EU survives its other woes!
I believe May is despised by the Remainers as much as the Brexiters. I've never classed May or Corbyn as remainers despite both declaring they were.
May's biggest fault is that she laid out the red lines she believed the Brexiters wanted which were never going to pass. She has lied to everyone by making out she could achieve things which were unobtainable and Corbyn is doing the same now.
May knows she's done but will cling on for dear life - she has a fixed objective - get Brexit over the line and do whatever she can to get there.
I doubt Brexit will be cancelled, that's just to scare the MPs into voting for her deal.
There's a lot of good points being raised to May but she always deflects them with nonsense, politicians both sides need to drop the false politeness and kick her while she's down.
I agree with most of what you say except that Brexit will not be cancelled... in political terms it has to be, both main political parties want it off the books as an item before the next GE 2022/3 otherwise mayhem will ensue.
The Brexit fallout will remain of course, with Brexiteers baying on the side lines at every perceive EU slight against the UK, the UK, in the EU itself, treated with an even more disdain by the other 27 and no longer able to claim (at least legitimately ) any further opt outs. However gradually some sort of political normality will have to return, but against what background its hard to say, certainly two party politics in the UK has probably been dealt a mortal blow by this whole exercise... which some might think is not a bad thing!
I would like that to be true but I think you give May too much credit. She simply made a mess of the process, starting out with tacking towards the hard Leavers early in her premiership and then serving Art 50 without having a clue what was an achievable target. She also ballsed up her job at the Home Office.
The reasons I think Brexit will not be cancelled are May will not do it, if she is replaced as Tory Party leader it will almost certainly be a hard Brexiter and I don't see a GE or referendum coming and even if they did who's going to take the responsibility. One added reason is the whole world has been watching on for the past 30 months looking at the UK tying itself in knots , is anyone in the government going to admit they've made a huge mistake and pull out, the humiliation will be too much for them to take.
She's absolutely awful, I think May will go down as the worst PM in modern history.
She wasn't tacking to leave, it was all a pack of lies from day one.
I agree no one expected leave to win and no one had a negotiating strategy lined up for how to achieve what was being debated by leave in the referendum. She could have taken some time to figure out how to at least try to honour the vote.
Her actual strategy from day one though was to get a deal from the EU, any deal it didn't really matter. Then use lying, subterfuge and propaganda from the UK media behind her to ram it down the countries throat whether they liked it or not. She had Brexit secretary's in the cabinet but they didn't actually do anything. Instead in July this year she suddenly ambushed the cabinet with her withdrawal agreement, which had been drafted by the EU and coordinated with our civil service.
The withdrawal agreement is far inferior to simply remaining and does not honour the main points of the referendum in any way what so ever. Fairly impressively she has managed to alienate both leave and remain as the deal represents the worst of all worlds for everyone.
In the circumstances I think we should just withdraw article 50 and bury Brexit for the foreseeable future. So much nonsense and horse trading going on in Parliament. It would be for the best if a national government is formed, indeed that is possible if and when the government lose a confidence vote. They will then do the only logical thing left by ending the Brexit debacle. We then have a general election. Without May and without Brexit.
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I agree with most of what you say but what were her “red lines” or her “citizens of nowhere” remarks if not pandering to the Brexit extremists?
Brexit will be cancelled, (some might argue it was always going to be), even from the day after the referendum; remember Political leaders are above all else motivated by two things, survival and legacy (their own).
Mrs May's political survival now looks impossible, and she herself is probably yearning to get away, so when her deal gets voted down tomorrow, then her legacy instead of being the heroine who battled the EU over Brexit and won, she will now have to be content with the legacy of the brave leader who sacrificed-self to keep the UK intact as a nation, and within the EU!
It was always a binary choice!
All just a pack of lies with purpose, a total smoke screen to make it look like she had some leave inclination.
Part of her propaganda war the final part of which was to try and convince everyone that the withdrawal agreement is actually "Brexit".
When it's actually remaining in the EU without a vote, without an unilateral exit clause and actually tying us in more and giving the UK less control than by simply doing nothing. Not only that, the way the agreement is framed the EU could simply make demands in the trade negotiations the UK can't accept until it's worn down and there is a second referendum anyway.
She's an exceptional liar and seemingly unbelievably manipulative. Most of her strategy for the last month seems to have been aimed at keeping herself in number 10 at pretty much any cost.
I don’t think she set out aiming for any deal from day one. I think she was just as ignorant and stupid as her extreme Brexiteer colleagues, and genuinely believed we had a much stronger negotiating hand than we actually do. No way any politician would have deliberately accepted the repeated humiliation of setting red line after red line, just to have them knocked down in her face.
A mad arrogance overtook much of the Conservative party over Brexit, built up by decades of self-delusion and lies. Now we just have to wait and see if they take the rest of us down with them, or if some kind of sanity prevails at the last minute. I’m not holding my breath though.
Didn't parliament overwhelmingly vote to allow Article 50 to be triggered?
They allowed this to happen with no plan laid out other than a self-important delusion that they held all the cards.
The whole of parliament are responsible for this mess.
They allowed this to happen with no plan laid out other than a self-important delusion that they held all the cards.
The whole of parliament are responsible for this mess.
How many amendments...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46507010
Will be interesting to see which get voted on
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46507010
Will be interesting to see which get voted on
Yes.
They voted article 50 without a clue, no one asked if there was any negotiation strategy or even what the objectives were. No one said, Wait a minute shouldn't we actually decide what we want, and find out the consequences of WTO with a feasibility study just in case we can't get a deal.
From what I can remember the press and political commentators didn't really point that out at the time either.
Blind faith / Madness when you think about it.
A lot of them seem to be fairly moronic as they can't even be implemented unilaterally.
One of them seeks to force the government to do a trade deal with the EU one year in to the backstop. You wonder who thinks these things through. The EU could then demand anything knowing the government would be forced to accept it
.Yes it may be a binary choice.
Most politicians care about one thing , themselves.
I don't think May worries about her legacy, she has become PM which was the ultimate aim and will live comfortably when she's gone.
Her aim since she was Home Secretary was to reduce immigration and that is still the case, when she talks about Brexit, she only talks about respecting Brexiters views on immigration.
She has tunnel vision and any collateral damage is well just hard luck.
All PM's however good or bad they were are usually remembered for the worst thing they ever did and have to have the skin of a rhinoceros.
Who are those nutters that stand outside parliament every day ? Have they nothing better to do like work for example.
Feck, from what I see there is a good % of British people who struggle to put food on the table on daily basis, for various reasons. Few weeks seems like a strech.
When even Ramsay MacDonald is ahead of you in the governmental stability table, things are less than ideal.
Aye, but if there's a crisis it doesn't help those people any if the better off are also flooding the supermarkets and emptying the shelves. Although people would do that anyway, even if they had a months supply of backup food at home. People become selfish very easily.
Wow, Tulip Sadiq delaying the birth of her child so she can vote tomorrow. It really is time for them to bring in organized proxy voting and stop this archaic madness.
https://labourlist.org/2019/01/tuli...aign=Feed:+LabourListLatestPosts+(LabourList)
https://labourlist.org/2019/01/tuli...aign=Feed:+LabourListLatestPosts+(LabourList)
Around the Maastricht votes they were carrying old feckers in on stretchers to get a vote out of them before they croaked. They hid one in a bog and he jumped out at the last minute, sneaked past the whips and turned the vote against his own government. All very entertaining, I'll be disappointed if there isn't more mace-wielding rampage before the week's out.
Particulalry when you cant trust the government to stand by paring arangements.
Normally they do voting pairs don't they... I.e. somebody of the opposite view agrees to pair with Them and not vote.
Would like to think there is enough honour in our elected officials to do that
Its mentioned in the article that someone last year didn't honour the agreement when paired with a pregnant lady in the opposition party.
edit: No prizes for guessing what party he belongs to or his Brexit views.
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This is a very sad truth about our society.
Each MP's Brexit Position in a spreadsheet.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ktqCioirDDTRnnWd-1WHuA-7mvjuA5C3rTTrYpZ7mkA/htmlview#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ktqCioirDDTRnnWd-1WHuA-7mvjuA5C3rTTrYpZ7mkA/htmlview#gid=0
They believed they could follow the centuries old doctrine used in days of empire...namely divide and rule.
They thought they could get the EU to fight like ferrets in a sack and win the day...have their cake etc.
What they don't seem to have twigged is that the British also have a centuries old reputation for reneging on treaties when it suits them.
The masterstroke pulled by the EU was to set up a separate line of authority between Barnier and Tusk so the British idea of buttering up the Italian ambassador became irrelevant.
Ironic that Brexit negotiations mark the dancing on the grave of the British Empire