Lastwolf
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There are one billion reasons why the DUP continue to back her.
They can't even spend that money
There are one billion reasons why the DUP continue to back her.
This makes no sense, you said that they are making it difficult for May to get an improved withdrawal deal and now are pointing to the deal that has been offered from the beginning.
Bribe worked, move along, nothing to see here.She’s won the vote, so back to business.
Hopefully now Mrs May can now reach out to the non-partisan types across the Commons benches and find a sensible solution to all this nonsense from the centre ground among the moderates.
Cross party solutions are eminently possible. Heck we even used to govern that way for a few years when a war was on.
Enough of the Yah-boo bollocks & get the feck on with it.
2022When is the next election then? As things stand.
Goodness me...
The Withdrawal Bill was soundly rejected despite Mrs May having gone to the EU to try and get an improvement to it which would have made it more acceptable to Parliament.
Again today they reiterated that there can be no improvement.
There is no incentive for them to concede any ground while there is a chance of a second referendum which could potentially reverse the leave vote.
Would you agree then that the "we want a general election" line now has to go?
Maybe I didn't express myself properly but I simply asked you what would be that improved agreement. You seem to think that it's just a matter of making it difficult which insinuate that there is an obvious way to improve that agreement. What would be acceptable for the parliament and is it in line with the interest of the other 27 countries?
Bribe worked, move along, nothing to see here.
And you are quite right to be so.
I am as well but please don't be angry with me. I am a very proud English man and I detest what is happening which makes our country look rather stupid.
You must know that we were lied to by both sides.
Yes it was a relatively slender margin but it was a margin nonetheless.
Tell you why I am not in favour of a second referendum.
If the result is the same as I suspect then what was the point.
If it is to remain but by a tiny margin, this country would be even more divided.
The pressure is on our leaders to come up with a solution to this mess. A second referendum would allow them to abdicate their responsibilities.
Listening to the various debates I would say that the Backstop is a very big sticking point but what do I know. I voted to remain.
117 Tory MPs expressed no confidence in May last month. The 10 DUP MPs consistently oppose her approach to Brexit. Today's vote is a sham. I believe in democracy, unlike the 127 aforementioned MPs, so if they won't vote on their principles, the alternative is a vote for the people. General election or referendum, whatever.So, she’s got the DUP onboard is that what you are saying?
Jesus, what was the alternative?
A ragbag collection of parts on the left forming an alternative coolly monikered by the media as a “Rainbow Coalition” ?
I’m sure that would have worked out just grand. And non of the minor parties would have demanded anything. Oh no siree.
All a bit absurd, isn't it? Half her own party voting against her Brexit proposals, showing they quite clearly don't trust her to implement Brexit...but also somehow cool for her to continue on as leader. Pretty much in deadlock.
To piss the hardcore Brexiteers off she should just go full-on soft Brexit, stay in the single market and customs union. Wind em up if nothing else.
Not only that, a third of them also voted against her in the leadership challenge. It is completely dishonest and illustrates the tories mp's loss of reality. They don't support her leadership, they don't support her policy, but they have confidence in her government. They should be ashamed of themselves and I really hope their children are/ will be.
Corbyn should resign.
117 Tory MPs expressed no confidence in May last month. The 10 DUP MPs consistently oppose her approach to Brexit. Today's vote is a sham. I believe in democracy, unlike the 127 aforementioned MPs, so if they won't vote on their principles, the alternative is a vote for the people. General election or referendum, whatever.
With all this talk about delaying march 29th... What's in it for the EU?
Not only that, a third of them also voted against her in the leadership challenge. It is completely dishonest and illustrates the tories mp's loss of reality. They don't support her leadership, they don't support her policy, but they have confidence in her government. They should be ashamed of themselves and I really hope their children are/ will be.
How would you have played it?If only
Labour will never get into power with him leading .
I don't think I've ever seen an easier opportunity for an opposition party to grab power in my life but Corbyn consistently pulls out defeat from the jaws of victory
Okay, you've explained desperate Tories voting against principles to cling to power. I understand that.Why is it a sham? 117 Tories was almost exclusively a Brexit protest and nothing more.
This is ONE issue, albeit an important one. Far from the only issue a government deals with though on a day to day basis right? (Although it doesn’t seem like it sometimes)
Plenty of Old Labour MPs in New Labour didn’t like Tony Blair and some of his policies but held rank along party lines generally because they liked having a centre left/Social Democratic government rather than a Tory one.
So why wouldn’t the Tories vote along party lines if their position in power is threatened?
What you are proposing, like Corbyn, is even more chaos at a time when the country does not need it.
May needs to head across the floor and deal with the right wing of the Labour Party and like minded moderates to come up with a solution that will win a majority in Parliament. That’s the way out of it. Time is not on her side though.
Anybody think she'll consider staying in the customs union now? I think it's the main way she gets enough cross party support.
You must know that we were lied to by both sides.
Okay, you've explained desperate Tories voting against principles to cling to power. I understand that.
What about the 10 votes she paid £1bn for?
She literally is the turd that won't flush.All a bit absurd, isn't it? Half her own party voting against her Brexit proposals, showing they quite clearly don't trust her to implement Brexit...but also somehow cool for her to continue on as leader. Pretty much in deadlock.
To piss the hardcore Brexiteers off she should just go full-on soft Brexit, stay in the single market and customs union. Wind em up if nothing else.
The great question.How would you have played it?
Does the Brexit fiasco/clusterf* still compare favorably to the current US government?
Good lord you lot really are (wilfully?) naive about the DUP.In a coalition of the left I’m pretty sure there would be a good chance likes of the SNP, Plaid, Green, would be making demands on Labour.
What was the alternative with the Tories being largest party at the last election? It was on them to try and form a government.
A billion quid. Sounds like a lot but in gvmt terms it isn’t really. And it’s not like the DUP intend pissing it up the wall. They intend on spending it to the betterment of NI, and I for one don’t begrudge them seeing as they effectively fought a civil war over there for over 30 years.
In a coalition of the left I’m pretty sure there would be a good chance likes of the SNP, Plaid, Green, would be making demands on Labour.
What was the alternative with the Tories being largest party at the last election? It was on them to try and form a government.
A billion quid. Sounds like a lot but in gvmt terms it isn’t really. And it’s not like the DUP intend pissing it up the wall. They intend on spending it to the betterment of NI, and I for one don’t begrudge them seeing as they effectively fought a civil war over there for over 30 years.
Catch a grip.
Ian Paisley, founder of the DUP was one of the reasons the place went to the complete dogs in the first place.
Catch a grip.
Ian Paisley, founder of the DUP was one of the reasons the place went to the complete dogs in the first place.
Good lord you lot really are (wilfully?) naive about the DUP.
Ok DUP deal:
£50m Mental Health over 5 years
£100m Health & Education over 2 years
£100m “Severe Deprivation” over 5 years
£150m Broadband infrastructure over 2 years
£200m Health over 2 years
£400m General Infrastructure over 2 years.
What’s not to like?
How would you have played it?