This is lining up to be the worst thing to happen to Britain in living memory. It is already a disaster that is costing us jobs.
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This is lining up to be the worst thing to happen to Britain in living memory. It is already a disaster that is costing us jobs.
Thinks he’s some kind of master Machiavellian by trying to make a weak PM look even weaker with the aim of getting his hands on those levers of power.
No doubt he’ll be getting his fiddle out when the UK goes up in flames as he thinks May & the Tories will take all the flak thus benefitting Labour.
Well, culpable as the Tories are (and by god they are culpable) so too will Jeremy Corbyn be culpable for contributing feck all to the situation when asked.
Unbelievable that a man who has spoken in the past to some dubious organisations won’t cross the hall go and talk with the PM.
Hopefully the likes of Hilary Benn & Yvette Cooper ignore the Labour leadership and engage.
Clement Attlee will be turning in his grave.
Fecking hell, imagine if we had been stuck with May & Corbyn when we stood alone in 1940? Doesn’t bear thinking about does it?[/QUOTE]
I can't stand Corbyn. I'm almost as mad at Labour as I am the Conservatives, just like the Americans should be mad at the Democrats.
You have one job, provide an proper alternative to the shite on display, and you feck it up.
No doubt he’ll be getting his fiddle out when the UK goes up in flames as he thinks May & the Tories will take all the flak thus benefitting Labour.
Well, culpable as the Tories are (and by god they are culpable) so too will Jeremy Corbyn be culpable for contributing feck all to the situation when asked.
Unbelievable that a man who has spoken in the past to some dubious organisations won’t cross the hall go and talk with the PM.
Hopefully the likes of Hilary Benn & Yvette Cooper ignore the Labour leadership and engage.
Clement Attlee will be turning in his grave.
Fecking hell, imagine if we had been stuck with May & Corbyn when we stood alone in 1940? Doesn’t bear thinking about does it?[/QUOTE]
I can't stand Corbyn. I'm almost as mad at Labour as I am the Conservatives, just like the Americans should be mad at the Democrats.
You have one job, provide an proper alternative to the shite on display, and you feck it up.
In what world do you live in?
Do you think the EU will sit armcrossed saying: " those pesky brittish got us caught by the balls"?
Try that and I assure you you would get kicked out, (with an existing rule or making a new one), blocked by any future trade and not making it easy on your geographical proximities.
Only a rule britannia imperialistic grandieur nostalgic moron would do something like this expecting to get away with it
Great to see people are coming around to seeing Corbyn for who he is. Enjoyed reading this page 
The perfect typo to be fair.
It is
What should he do?
Great to see people are coming around to seeing Corbyn for who he is. Enjoyed reading this page
It's just the usual bunch, so many having a hard time with the tories fecking up so badly they have to lash out and pretend there's even a trace of blame with Corbyn
Hard time to be a tory remainer
Great to see people are coming around to seeing Corbyn for who he is. Enjoyed reading this page
I'd never even heard of him until Brexit caught my attention, it's been pretty obvious how poor he is from day one. The nothing man.
Yeah Corbyn just back a referendum nothing can go wrong
I voted Labour and depending on their position in a next GE, I may well vote for them again even with Corbyn in charge. While I think Corbyn should engage with May (despite thinking May only now opening up things to other parties 2 months before we are due to leave is poor), currently and for a while I think Labour are in a tricky position. What can they do? What should they do?
This situation is so messy maybe in the long term it's best for Labour to be hands off. Ultimately, in 10 years time after we leave no one is going to be saying ahh the Labour opposition were terrible in the Brexit fiasco, it will be pinned on May and the Tories. Just as people (as misinformed as I think it is) blame Labour and not a weak opposition for the impact of the financial crisis in the UK.
This situation is so messy maybe in the long term it's best for Labour to be hands off. Ultimately, in 10 years time after we leave no one is going to be saying ahh the Labour opposition were terrible in the Brexit fiasco, it will be pinned on May and the Tories. Just as people (as misinformed as I think it is) blame Labour and not a weak opposition for the impact of the financial crisis in the UK.
It's just the usual bunch, so many having a hard time with the tories fecking up so badly they have to lash out and pretend there's even a trace of blame with Corbyn
Hard time to be a tory remainer
You think people who aren't Tories (say, everyone who isn't from the UK) have a positive view of Labour's handling of Brexit under Corbyn?
No of course not there's plenty of criticism to share around. Just the more right leaning posters on here jumped in over the last couple of days and their blame tends to go in one direction.
I don't think I'll be voting Corbyn next time round as he's been lacklustre but Labours position is complex. Split electorate, split MPs and no place at the negotiating table and that's before you get to the DUP and May. It's not simple like some political geniuses like to pretend.
Corbyn was one of the biggest critics of the EU and a follower of Tony Benn. He's the last of the true Labour socialists leading an army of Blairites against everything he truly believes in in order to fulfil a career ambition of being prime minister.
Alright, no deal seems to be off the agenda.
There is no way they will come to a consensus on any sort of Brexit.
Therefore, Article 50 will be revoked.
Happy days!
There is no way they will come to a consensus on any sort of Brexit.
Therefore, Article 50 will be revoked.
Happy days!
He reminds me of the Labour anti- EEC lot back in the early 70s.
I remember at the beginning of Brexit thinking why isn't that Labour Leader saying anything of substance - and he still hasn't three years later.
You've been asked several times to name some, but you keep refusing.
Can you elaborate a little on this for me?
By whom?
I'm sure Corbyn will get on well with Jean Luc Mélenchon when they're both likely in office in 2022. That could be a different kind of entente.
I'll have a bet of 5 groats with you that neither will ever be in office.
The man wasn't popular before and is even less popular now, so it's far from likely that he is even candidate.
I'm not from the UK and I don't think he has done well. This is mostly because his stance that everything will become great when he takes over negotiations is a trump like proposal which shouldnt convince anyone. He's treating the situation with the EU like it's a game of chess and he's simply the better player than May. The deal is on the table and there's no way that he'll get a more rosy version and some ideas spouted by some of his followers like the "The EU is scared of a socialist Britain hence why we would get a better deal" are just laughable.
Having said that, Labours position is simply horrible and no one has yet to offer a clear way that they should've picked. In my opinion they should've strongly pushed for a Customs Union deal position from the beginning with an option of a 2nd referendum specifying what "the public wants" (god that sounds dumb). I think with a homogenous party position and proper narrative setting that could've been a genuine way out for them. But that's easier said than done in hindsight. Now, they're in a shit position, everything he would do right now would piss off a lot of people.
And he's additionally not being helped with all the ludicrous shit that's being thrown at him, in the media and elsewhere. You just have to look through the last few pages to see the pathetic "Can't be trusted with the economy" "Terrorist supporter" agenda.
Maybe the tory supporter in here who spout those "Any other opposition would be miles ahead" nonsense should take a deep look at the party they've supported for decades. If it weren't for his referendum call, Paul the Wolf, Sassy Collins, Honest John and whatever they're all named would glorify a leader like Cameron yet he and his party are ten times more responsible for this mess than Labour and that is not because of the referendum call itself but because they've pushed their "business friendly, lets turn the UK into a tax heaven while pushing austerity" agenda for years, feeding the public continuously with fears of immigration and consolidating the beliefs of little Englanders that the Great British Empire deserves something better than the EU.
Yet Corbyn is solely responsible because he doesn't want to join a half arsed talk with May who ignored all the other parties for the last two years and now desperately tries to play the bipartisan card.
By god has anyone read the Youtube comments on that video? Ater reading a few of them I was starting to question who pasted who in that debate.
Social media is without a shadow of a doubt the antichrist!
Possibility if too old, not sure who would succeed. He got near 20% in first round only 2% off being in the second round. I am expecting economic issues to push voters in that direction. We're already seeing the beginning of it here and in France.
I'm a center right conservative so it's not something I particularly want to happen. Fairly certain we will see Corbyn as PM here. Brexit and coming recession will finish the Tories off. Will get at least one term of Corbyn Labour.
Sound bite May or contradiction Corbyn
Douche or Turd
Hmmm...
Douche or Turd
Hmmm...
By god has anyone read the Youtube comments on that video? Ater reading a few of them I was starting to question who pasted who in that debate.
Social media is without a shadow of a doubt the antichrist!
The comment section of Youtube is an amazing place, almost every videos is used to troll or share the stupidest opinions imaginable. The trolling is interesting because it has been a thing for so long that I don't understand how that trend hasn't die on that platform.
You can tell the trolls and the sarcastic comments, its all over the net and they're very obvious, but the "genuine" ones on this video are something else.
Having listened to the full 22+ minutes after reading some comments I was ready to belive JRM wiped the floor with O'Brien and he is the messiah we have been waiting for, when the reality as exposed by that clip is that he's an unscrupulous fraud with a posh accent.
I've never voted for Cameron. I'm not blaming Corbyn for his actions in the last two days but the past three years and couldn't be more against a tax haven than anyone. Corbyn is a crap politician, that's all and I'm totally against all forms of discrimination and austerity so you are totally wrong.
By god has anyone read the Youtube comments on that video? Ater reading a few of them I was starting to question who pasted who in that debate.
Social media is without a shadow of a doubt the antichrist!
Being totally deluded is a prerequisite of supporting Rees-Mogg to be fair. The guy is a transparent fraud who no sane human being should take remotely seriously.
By god has anyone read the Youtube comments on that video? Ater reading a few of them I was starting to question who pasted who in that debate.
Social media is without a shadow of a doubt the antichrist!
Machine gunning someone with prepared cornering questions and not allowing them to respond in context, while whining and groaning over the responses was pretty immature don't you think?
Last year Mogg quoted a Sun article that was factually wrong, but Mogg assumed that it was researched correctly. O'brien has been hitting him with a stick over it for months in order to make his radio listener fans think he's a deceiver.
On a side note, I'm surprised anyone would believe anything the Sun says.
If we leave with no deal, I think on 29th March by way of a tribute to The Sun, The Guardian should run with:
“Will the last person to leave Britain tonight please turn out the lights” and stick a picture of May in a lightbulb on the front just like they did with Neil Kinnock.
It’s only fair.
I am not 100% sure about the following, so take it with a pinch of salt. We have a thing called a golden visa for non-EU citizens, where basically you can enter and stay in the country as if you were a EU citizen.
To be eligible for one of these golden visas you must either:
- own property worth at least 500k euros
- have at least 1 million euros invested in the country
- create a certain number of local jobs~
These numbers may have changed because the law was updated and I remember reading that if you invested a certain amount in renovations or improvements in the property, the value drops to 350k euros.
Anyway, as I said you probably would have to get more accurate information but these special visas are a thing and maybe you qualify.
By god has anyone read the Youtube comments on that video? Ater reading a few of them I was starting to question who pasted who in that debate.
Social media is without a shadow of a doubt the antichrist!
To be honest I think that while O'Brien might be bright, sharp and quick witted I do think he simply lacks class. From the very beginning he lets out sighs of exasperation, he frequently cuts off JRM mid sentence and with his arrogant tone treats a major politican like some random drooling moron he can just bully around. Even as someone who stands on his side of the argument he was fairly infuriating.
It's not how you have a meaningful dialogue, it's not how you convince anyone who isn't already on your side. How likely is it for a pro Brexit person to entertain his arguments (let alone agree with them) when he's trying so hard to talk down to his counterpart who in a way speaks for them? If you antagonize your audience it's hard for them to keep an open mind towards your arguments. JRM in comparison seems very unimpressed and patient with O'Brien's antics, so from that perspective I can understand why some people think he had the upper hand.
What was needed here was not badgering, but finesse.
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Tells you all you need to know about what an untrustworthy little scrote he is, getting his “facts” from the Sun newspaper.
I agree with this though.
How can questions on ones specialist subject possibly be cornering? If someone put me on the spot and asked me a loaf of questions about CIWS for example I would knock it out of the park. No-one had heard of JRM before Brexit and no one will ever again after it so he is literally in the spotlight just for Brexit. He could have easily defended his claims with facts and truth if there was any to it. The fact that as always he reiteriates to eloquent waffle rather than anything of substance just exposes him for the fraud that he is. At least to anyone with a brain.
I scrolled down through A LOT of comments in that video and the vast majorit of them were from a name and surname with no pictures or nicknames like is the norm which leads me to believe that the Brexit robots are still out in force.
O’brien is probably just as angry as the rest of us that these buffoons are given e platform and its too right that he shouldn’t allow him to deviate, waffle or deflect.
I get absolutely infuriated watching some of the bullshit these Brexshiteers spout I would have acted exactly in the same way given the opportunity to grill these gammons!
And as for a major politician please see my previous post.
Yeah I don't see any real issues with the way O'Brien conducted the interview. His usual sighs and groans were present and they alwats exasperate me a little, but I don't see how anyone could argue that JRM came out on top.
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
Quoting the Sun is bad enough, but assuming they actually researched something is hilarious. And he's an MP.