It's all about preaching to the choir these days. It serves to fuel the divisive nature of the political landscape in this country.
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It's all about preaching to the choir these days. It serves to fuel the divisive nature of the political landscape in this country.
I found the whole thing about Australian beef hilarious. Let’s buy beef, do no quality checks on it if any sort because JRM thinks that you can take the word of the seller rather than your own trading standard checks. What planet is this guy on?
Ours, just from a hundred years ago.
Yeah Corbyn just back a referendum nothing can go wrong
Since when did Corbyn care more about MPs than the party members?
He is not interested in the EU. This was plainly demonstrated with his luke-warm attitude in the referendum campaign where, having declared (reluctantly) that Labour were behind Remain, did next to sod all in terms of trying to bring core Labour voters on side. They abandoned him then but came back in some way at the 2017 election when Labour ran on a manifesto to implement the result. If he comes out for a 2nd ref they will abandon him again and he know's that. The EU holds little interest for Corbyn. It is just not a factor in his world view.
Pretty good short video about the various options facing May et al once they invoked Article 50. It’s two years old. And we’re no closer to choosing one of these options now than we were then. Remarkable really.
Just had a nice early morning debate with a brexiteer. The fact she listed about 10 reasons for wanting to leave, which I replied to in order disproving every one seemed to annoy her greatly. She says she'll reply after work about how I'm wrong so I've got something to look forward to later I suppose
UK is also leaving Schengen space by their own decision. They will need Visas like any other tourists, but I'm sure they will get a reduced fee like Russia or China. Free Visa will not be an option.
The opposite will also happen: if you wish to visit UK, the small stay Visa is 65 pounds, which is about 74€.
The UK have never been in the Schengen area.
I firmly believe another referendum would see a 55-60% majority voting in favour of remaining. I know so many people who didn’t bother voting the first time round because they naively thought the country couldn’t possibly vote itself out the eu. I’ve also seen plenty of brexiteers change their stance whilst at the same time haven’t seen one remained switch theirs.
It’s a shame but can’t see any way out of this mess. We look completely incompetent as a global power despite what option we take. It would be wise not to undertake a referendum in future willy nilly, without having full information and formalities disclosed with the public.
It’s a shame but can’t see any way out of this mess. We look completely incompetent as a global power despite what option we take. It would be wise not to undertake a referendum in future willy nilly, without having full information and formalities disclosed with the public.
I was just making a small joke that post. You don't have to worry that much, since you already have address, fiscal number, BUT you should apply to a Permanent Residency just to make it safe. I suggest you do it before 29 March (Brexit date) and asap, because you know how our local authorities are sluggish with paper work, because nobody knows how the Brexit deal will come out.
Please read this official document carefully to check if everything is OK
https://imigrante.sef.pt/wp-content/uploads/Folheto_Brexit_EN.pdf
So that explains a lot why some friends I have outside UE always pay the 65 pounds... Thanks. I thought they were part of it
I’m sure you’ll look forward to that on a Friday night
Looking forward to adding that onto my stag do
The bad part are going to be the bloody queues. If you go to a fancy dinning restaurant, you'll pay 10 times the visa cost
True, up to now we have had the advantages of being in the EU whilst having the ability to reject much of the stuff we didn't like. We had a fair degree of the supposedly impossible cherry picking all along then, just for a while.
The government can improve the odds by cutting electricity supply for 2 days. A big chunk of brexiters won't make it to the polls without their scooters
Just wondering, why can't another referendum be held? It seems to me looking in from the outside that at this point most folks don't want to leave
Maltese politics.
Actually voting in malta is done on weekends so everyone will have time to vote. Which explains the high turnouts. Also the typical maltese is a political beast whose well informed what is going on and will confront politicians directly to ask for explanations. People like Farage and Le Pen would end up in squares to be laughed at (we have their equivalent in norman lowell and ivan grech mintoff)
Our issues are mostly a priority thing ie environmental and good governance issues tend to score low in the typical voters priority list. Hence why we ended up with 2 main parties who are savagely pro business
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Definitely, pissed up arguing with a dickhead is funny as feck
Low-income, leave voting millenials who vote Tory and hate Corbyn.
What's going on there?
What's going on there?
Gut feeling.... But how about may to call (another) snap general election
This would almost certainly force labour to have in their manifesto a 2nd referendum as its the overwhelming preference of the membership... But could cost them a fair few seats
But might give may a working majority to get her deal through?
She seems to be running out of other options so perhaps a last roll of the dice?
This would almost certainly force labour to have in their manifesto a 2nd referendum as its the overwhelming preference of the membership... But could cost them a fair few seats
But might give may a working majority to get her deal through?
She seems to be running out of other options so perhaps a last roll of the dice?
Instead of a second referendum, labour can just declare they will cancel A50? This way even remain Torries may end up voting labour?
I think it’s very unlikely the Tory leadership would risk a general election right now.
Unilaterally overturning the result of the referendum... When they hold a number of the largest majority of leave seats... I suspect they would loose more seats than they would win in such a scenario.
Which is why I think may might just try it
The Labour leaders are Brexiters, why should they cancel A50? If the membership woke up and kicked them out, then they could cancel A50.
Every politician became brexiter after the first plebescite . But it's obvious now that the only way for the country to not get royally fecked is to remain. Combine the referendum and the GE and be done with it quickly.
Corbyn and McDonnell have always been brexiters, that's why they've resisted their own membership's call for a second referendum for so long.
I think a GE is unlikely to be called by May to resolve the issue. The conservative party hates the WA, 80% of the membership despise it as do 117 MPs and will not campaign for it. If the WA is in the manifesto Labour would win very comfortably. Quite possible the conservative party would split altogether.
May is trying to figure out how she can cling on in number 10 by any means possible. Fairly certain extending article 50 is her first choice for more negotiations on trade. That will surely be shot down by the EU27 though. No one wants more uncertainty for a year without any guarantee of resolution. The only beneficiary of this plan is May!
She might try some kind of softer Brexit compromise but is very hamstrung it what she can do by the factions in the party. That is why she won't rule out no deal for Corbyn to join talks. Doesn't want to upset the ERG.
I still think she will cling for a bit longer on but won't find a solution, ultimately she will lose the support of her own party with the ERG or remain side and the government will lose a confidence vote. Either Labour or a national government will end up withdrawing article 50 as no other choice, blame it on May and there will then be a GE.
May is trying to figure out how she can cling on in number 10 by any means possible. Fairly certain extending article 50 is her first choice for more negotiations on trade. That will surely be shot down by the EU27 though. No one wants more uncertainty for a year without any guarantee of resolution. The only beneficiary of this plan is May!
She might try some kind of softer Brexit compromise but is very hamstrung it what she can do by the factions in the party. That is why she won't rule out no deal for Corbyn to join talks. Doesn't want to upset the ERG.
I still think she will cling for a bit longer on but won't find a solution, ultimately she will lose the support of her own party with the ERG or remain side and the government will lose a confidence vote. Either Labour or a national government will end up withdrawing article 50 as no other choice, blame it on May and there will then be a GE.
Yes it's clear he's not particularly interested. Seems to think his other policies are far more important .Problem is that if the UK leaves and the country's economy goes to pot he wouldn't be able to implement the policies he wants anyway .
I'm not judging him on his policies, just his sheer stupidity and lack of presence as a leader. The Tories can't believe their luck that they made such a pig's ear of their governance that they had a person even more incompetent on the opposition benches.
Open letter from Germany to uk
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...b058cfe6d925dc#block-5c418ec3e4b058cfe6d925dc
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...b058cfe6d925dc#block-5c418ec3e4b058cfe6d925dc
Guess the instant reaction from Brexiters.
"See told so, they need us more than we need them, they'll give in to all our demands" Pfff.
No. Thats just your reaction.
Wait and see.
Thanks I'll look into this. Not yet a permanent resident but travel between UK and Portugal regularly so think I'll register and see what happens.
They don't have to wait till Xmas for the panto, it's all year round with Brexit. Best comedy show around.
I don't think it's that unlikely, she's basically been campaigning for weeks now.
It's also the only chance of getting a referendum in my opinion. I don't think they'll be the votes in parlaiment for a referendum with so many Labour rebels but as you say with a GE the membership will demand it and as it's a new mandate it leaves MPs able to justify their ref vote.
My preference would be a Cooper led Labour GE but retaining the direction of the party. I think the electoral math doesn't work in Labours favour but you have to hope the remain Tories will abandon partisanship unlike their MPs.