That's the worst part, it's as if their will doesn't matter. It's also strange to see EU members show more solidarity to ROI than the UK to NI, it doesn't even make sense from an historical standpoint.
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That's the worst part, it's as if their will doesn't matter. It's also strange to see EU members show more solidarity to ROI than the UK to NI, it doesn't even make sense from an historical standpoint.
I do not understand this. The current government ran a campaign on the slogan " strong an stable" yet she has had 10 cabinet minister resign (and many more lesser figures) in less than 2 years, suffered the largest defeat in HoC history on a bill it said was the most important in their lifetime to implement a referendum result that was built on lies and deception.
And these people actually tell us a vote would damage democracy. The utter cheek.
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It's mainly because the EU wants to be seen as a united front who protect their members, I don't think they actually particularly give a shit about Ireland, we are just the best negotiating tool they have available. The UK however never even seemed to consider NI in the lead up to the referendum and now they don't have a clue what to do.
That is quite simply because there is no plan B. This is just more delaying tactics and posturing.
The only thing that I can see sufficient common ground on is to agree to legislate to prevent a NO DEAL exit.
That could bring in more Labour support which at the end of the day will be necessary unless Mrs May can get total backing from her party and the DUP.
I for one am of the opinion that UK politics is in need of a bit of a shakeup. Thought it would happen after the Scottish indyref, but was clearly sorely mistaken.
There was a Guardian article earlier by a NI guy who worked at Downing Street before and after the referendum. He said NI was irrelevant to the lot of them.
Think it's called Project Fear.
Quite.
While it is to a degree understandable that the opposition are pushing for a GE (and by the way the Tories would do the very same thing) it is actually the very last thing the country needs at this point in time.
To be able to make any headway we have to unite as a country.
While split as badly we are making it so easy for the EU.
When history looks back at this shambles it will recall the stupidity of the government for not trying to fashion a united position.
Some will say that was not possible but I disagree. British people have a history of being able to unite when faced with a crisis.
I think he misunderstood that. The slide says the border could handle 13-25% of the current traffic with the rules resulting out of no deal, not that traffic would drop to that.
So easy for the EU to do what ?
It's the same thing.
No. If the traffic fell to 13-25% you could do with facilities that can handle 13-25%. If you have facilities for 13-25% but 75% still try to get across those facilities it will be chaos.
Edit: In fairness, you're saying it will be bad, I'm saying it will be worse. Given that you're already saying it will be doom it is effectively the same thing.
I had the same reflection but I see it as a Us vs Them type of mentality, more than a simple act.
Well yes but that means the food supply and all the rest dries up. The Uk are importing and exporting goods for a reason.
To negotiate a withdrawal bill with us that has been so comprehensively rejected and still say that they are not prepared to make any changes or concessions.
You may well say - why should they move when it is us who are leaving their club.
My response would be that they are concerned about others following us out and that is why they are so ridgid.
Remember. There will be life after Brexit and the British people will remember these events.
You do know that the UK Government negotiates for the UK and agreed to withdrawal bill? It just couldn't get the backing to deliver on it's word.
This sounds like an argument from a Leaver from two years ago.
The withdrawal agreement can't change only the political declaration
No- other country is even close to thinking of leaving and if the UK leaves with no deal .....
Sounds like a threat.
What concessions should be made? Also what british people are supposed to remember?
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Well done for stating the bleeding obvious.
like that means somethingProbably, not sure how that helps us though. The reason as to why they're being rigid is fairly irrelevant if we're fecked either way. The British people will remember and their primary memory's going to be the stupidity of the government throughout the entire process.
What they should remember is their own stupidity and the incompetence of their own government
May doesnt even want to do that!
Because that’s the only way parliament will pass it. That is also why no deal should be on the table and not taken off. Ireland would be fecked in a no deal scenario.
So in a worst case scenario, its 30th of March and nothing has changed type situation, is there a parliamentary majority for anything at all?
What is the alternative to the backstop?
If nothing has changed, the UK have left the EU with no deal.
"British people will remember these events". What the feck are we going to do?
Regulatory alignment. That would be the backbone of the trade deal. A customs union by any other name. Wider trade deals will have to be sacrificed or at least constrained to conform to the agreed regulatory accord.
Normally the clocks go forward the last weekend in March. Probably not this year in the UK.
That's not an alternative to the backstop. You are here talking about a deal that doesn't exist, alignments that have no reality, no scope, no legal framework. How long will it take to draft it, what happens while we draft it, what happens if the UK change its governance during negotiations?
I think we should have a street party every year with bunting, cakes and tea. It shall be "Life after Brexit" day and anyone left who still has a job can have a holiday?
Im saying its the day before that happening - do you think any of the parties would start crossing their various red lines to get something through? Do you think if the leader did would the party follow?
All that can be resolved in time. The referendum result is not going to be overturned. People need to get used to it. I hate it as much as most here. But it is what it is and now we have to make the best and move forward. As pointless as it may seem they should put a time limit on the backstop and then work their tits off to get the deal done before it ends. Stupid I know but this whole thing is stupid. Trying to reverse this will be more of a disaster for the UK than rolling with it now. I fear that some on here underestimate that.
So basically just get on with it?
The entire process hasn't been negotiated in good faith. No ones going to give you the benefit of the doubt on the backstop or anything else. Not when you could have a JRM led government a month after the deal who decides to unilaterally pull you out. Its a non starter
I don't think that you understand what the withdrawal agreement and the backstop are about. It's about your first sentence, about what happens between now and "in time". It has nothing to do with overturning the referendum.
No one is interested in more fudges and muddling through and seeing what happens, were past that. Its not the basis for an agreement
I think if you asked the average Joe who voted for Brexit the majority would also take that deal imo.
We know the disastrous implication of a no deal brexit, how do you think reversing the referendum would end up being worse?